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Only buying if they have a decent ROI...if not why bother?
Honestly, I think it will be. I don't think they'll try to sell a device that will _obviously_ fail a ROI. |
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GIXXER
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June 28, 2014, 04:08:09 AM |
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Only buying if they have a decent ROI...if not why bother?
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June 28, 2014, 04:37:14 AM |
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Only buying if they have a decent ROI...if not why bother?
Honestly, I think it will be. I don't think they'll try to sell a device that will _obviously_ fail a ROI. I agree and if it makes a decent ROI I will be buying 3-4 of them. |
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June 28, 2014, 06:26:33 AM |
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Only buying if they have a decent ROI...if not why bother?
Honestly, I think it will be. I don't think they'll try to sell a device that will _obviously_ fail a ROI. I agree and if it makes a decent ROI I will be buying 3-4 of them. If its decent ROI the manufacturer will not sell them  |
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June 29, 2014, 04:18:52 AM |
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I bet Bitmain will ask a MOQ of two S3 to save on shipping costs.
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June 29, 2014, 04:29:31 AM |
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NONE, i'll be eating up the cheap s1's
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June 29, 2014, 04:59:32 AM |
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I'll be buying as many as I can!
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June 29, 2014, 11:37:05 AM |
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Only if it's under $300 (0.5 BTC), anything higher is over priced and only an idiot would buy that.
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June 29, 2014, 04:46:27 PM |
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I agree to people saying ~1 BTC is a fair price. If much more expensive I won't buy any.
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June 29, 2014, 04:53:27 PM |
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I agree to people saying ~1 BTC is a fair price. If much more expensive I won't buy any.
I agree that over .5 BTC its not worth it. At 1 BTC and 20% diff increase you never ROI. After around 120 days you start losing money on electricity and at this moment you lost a grand total of 0.4452 BTC (not even close to ROI...) Why is everyone spitting that 1 BTC price ? Please get your head out of your ass. All this if you had the S3 TODAY. |
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nexus99
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June 29, 2014, 05:31:15 PM |
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I agree to people saying ~1 BTC is a fair price. If much more expensive I won't buy any.
I agree that over .5 BTC its not worth it. At 1 BTC and 20% diff increase you never ROI. After around 120 days you start losing money on electricity and at this moment you lost a grand total of 0.4452 BTC (not even close to ROI...) Why is everyone spitting that 1 BTC price ? Please get your head out of your ass. All this if you had the S3 TODAY. In US dollars they could sell these for 99 bucks a piece and make a huge profit. |
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June 29, 2014, 05:35:29 PM |
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In US dollars they could sell these for 99 bucks a piece and make a huge profit.
Their cost is higher than $99, so I don't see how they can make a huge profit selling at that price point. |
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nexus99
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June 29, 2014, 05:37:31 PM |
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In US dollars they could sell these for 99 bucks a piece and make a huge profit.
Their cost is higher than $99, so I don't see how they can make a huge profit selling at that price point. I cant imagine how their cost would be north of that. There is nothing to these boxes. a frame, 2 PCBs, a couple fans, a plastic shroud. A little PCB control unit, and assorted components. If they are building 1... sure. But when you order a run of 100,000 units its dirt cheap. |
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Pjones (OP)
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June 29, 2014, 06:09:23 PM |
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The PCBs look like they are 1.6mm, about 50 sq inches, silk screened, 4 layers. Even at 100k units, i can't imagine these are less than $20 each for the bare pcb. The controller is a TL-link device, at 100k units, I can't imagine these are less than $15 each. You are already at $55, without any components. 32x28nm chips, assuming they aren't much larger than 12mm sq, 25 layers, and 100k units, tested and packaged, and assuming yields of greater than 98%, maybe $2 each, not factoring in NRE, but including masks and wafers. $64 in chips, now you are over $99. Add in the power regulators, passive components, etc, there is at least - few more bucks there. $5 for the fan, and $5 for each heat sink, so there is $15 there. The screws and mount plates, plastic stand offs, SMA antenna mount, and the thermal paste, maybe another $1. Now you have to pay an assembly house to build the boards, test and package. For something as large as this, I can't imagine it is less than $5 per board, not including the logistics services and shipping.
How did you arrive at less than $99?
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June 29, 2014, 06:15:17 PM |
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$140 without shipping? ------> 0.23BTC
I'd say under 0.6BTC is expected.
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June 29, 2014, 08:39:18 PM |
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I agree to people saying ~1 BTC is a fair price. If much more expensive I won't buy any.
I agree that over .5 BTC its not worth it. At 1 BTC and 20% diff increase you never ROI. After around 120 days you start losing money on electricity and at this moment you lost a grand total of 0.4452 BTC (not even close to ROI...) Why is everyone spitting that 1 BTC price ? Please get your head out of your ass. All this if you had the S3 TODAY. In US dollars they could sell these for 99 bucks a piece and make a huge profit. So fucking what ? The cost is not even in play here. |
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nexus99
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June 30, 2014, 12:27:22 AM |
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I agree to people saying ~1 BTC is a fair price. If much more expensive I won't buy any.
I agree that over .5 BTC its not worth it. At 1 BTC and 20% diff increase you never ROI. After around 120 days you start losing money on electricity and at this moment you lost a grand total of 0.4452 BTC (not even close to ROI...) Why is everyone spitting that 1 BTC price ? Please get your head out of your ass. All this if you had the S3 TODAY. In US dollars they could sell these for 99 bucks a piece and make a huge profit. So fucking what ? The cost is not even in play here. You really don't understand the point? Cute :-) |
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