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March 02, 2012, 10:15:44 PM
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How would they know the coins were stolen?

do coins carry a unique marker or something?

Yes of course they do.

You can always tell where they came from, just not always "who" they came from (if you know what I mean).

It's like this forum. You can always tell what account posted what message, but no one really knows who owns the forum account in real life.

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March 02, 2012, 10:17:08 PM
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Can't agree with this policy as much as I want the perp to be caught... you cannot have "collateral damage" just like that.

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March 02, 2012, 10:18:05 PM
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Can't agree with this policy as much as I want the perp to be caught... you cannot have "collateral damage" just like that.

Agreed. Although they didn't stop him, they just asked for information (which power is already given to them through AML agreement with the users).

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March 02, 2012, 10:28:20 PM
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I think this is how it should be done, Mt. Gox is doing the right thing. They should communicate more with users though, the problem here was that he was locked out and there was no email about it etc.

They will not confiscate the bitcoins, they just need to know where they came from because the coins were from the recent thefts. That's about it.

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March 02, 2012, 10:44:02 PM
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They will not confiscate the bitcoins

i wouldn't be so quick to assume that.

i'm sure that assumption is based on the amount, 7 btc, right?

what if it had been 7000 btc or 43000 btc? would mtgox confiscate them then? i'm thinking 'yes'.

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March 02, 2012, 10:46:37 PM
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They will not confiscate the bitcoins

i wouldn't be so quick to assume that.

i'm sure that assumption is based on the amount, 7 btc, right?

what if it had been 7000 btc or 43000 btc? would mtgox confiscate them then? i'm thinking 'yes'.


Of course they wouldn't confiscate them, if they were satisfied that you weren't the thief. This account suspension occurs more often than you think it does, and as far as I know gets rectified reasonably quickly.

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March 02, 2012, 10:48:00 PM
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They will not confiscate the bitcoins

i wouldn't be so quick to assume that.

i'm sure that assumption is based on the amount, 7 btc, right?

what if it had been 7000 btc or 43000 btc? would mtgox confiscate them then? i'm thinking 'yes'.


Of course they wouldn't confiscate them, if they were satisfied that you weren't the thief. This account suspension occurs more often than you think it does, and as far as I know gets rectified reasonably quickly.

note to self: launder my coins more often, no matter how innocent.

what a hassle to go through, playing detective for mtgox.
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March 02, 2012, 10:48:30 PM
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They will not confiscate the bitcoins

i wouldn't be so quick to assume that.

i'm sure that assumption is based on the amount, 7 btc, right?

what if it had been 7000 btc or 43000 btc? would mtgox confiscate them then? i'm thinking 'yes'.


Of course they wouldn't confiscate them, if they were satisfied that you weren't the thief. This account suspension occurs more often than you think it does, and as far as I know gets rectified reasonably quickly.

note to self: launder my coins more often, no matter how innocent.


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March 02, 2012, 10:58:01 PM
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How would they know the coins were stolen?

do coins carry a unique marker or something?

You can trace the addresses where coins have come from since Bitcoin basically is a public ledger.
We know they were stolen because Zhou Tong from Bitcoinica has published the addresses where the stolen coins went to.

Perhaps you can tell us at which exchange you got the coins?

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March 03, 2012, 12:19:58 AM
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How would they know the coins were stolen?

do coins carry a unique marker or something?

Yes of course they do.

You can always tell where they came from, just not always "who" they came from (if you know what I mean).

It's like this forum. You can always tell what account posted what message, but no one really knows who owns the forum account in real life.

This is not actually true, your statement about bitcoins. For a small percentage of users, "where" the Bitcoins came from is completely and totally obscured.

Contrary to all those people who say it's trivial to unmask Bitcoin users' identities..

(Right.. it's so trivial that the major thefts have all been located and returned..)
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March 03, 2012, 12:27:25 AM
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Regarding stolen coins:

CoinExchanger.com has them (he's probably the hacker too)


I am almost sure that bitcoinica.com is out of funds and they are keeping the site open to get more deposits and ponzi those deposits on those who want to withdrawal. The 17 year old just lost 250,000 Dollars and I doubt he has an extra 250K to cover his loss.

I would encourage everyone to withdrawal your funds from bitcoinica and watch the shit hit the fan.

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We will lower our withdrawal fee in the next couple of days, in the meantime 9% is fair.

CoinExchanger.com is an admittedly unregistered MLB (money license business) that must be registered by FinCEN within 6 months of opening their doors and sharing their first stored value. They have not done so and are in direct violation of federal law.

The owner of CoinExchanger.com is Leo Camilo, who advertises his address as 440 9th ave, New york, New York,10001 US and personal telephone number 1 (347) 469-1040.

His private email (search google) is atqcapital@gmail.com.

He has publicly stated on multiple occasions that:

  • bitcoin is fake money, "monopoly money" and has no value and should not be trusted for this reason.
  • his exchange is functional with a large user base, when not a single user has ever reportedly done business with him
  • he is holding coins stolen from Zhou Tong's Bitcoinica and says "fuck you Zhou, you're just a stupid 17 year old kid, these coins are mine now" basically.

He also:

  • goes under the sock puppet scammer account name "Maria"
  • claims to be a millionaire and restaurant owner

He is currently in possession of stolen Bitcoins from the Linode hack and any coins purchased from him will not be accepted by MtGox or anyone in the Bitcoin community.


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March 03, 2012, 12:52:42 AM
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MtGox/others could create an interesting service and a neat profit if they really exploited these kinds of events by offering clean coins at a premium. They could then use the extra funds to hire #bitcoin-police or others to track down thieves and provide theft reporting and tainted coin tracking services. They would probably never do that, but someone might one day.

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March 03, 2012, 01:38:57 AM
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OP is not alone in this situation.  The same thing has happened to my account and I will tell you where I got my coins from Cryptoxchange.  I never thought $4.52 for a BTC was an outrageously low price so I bought 27 of them.  I woke up this morning logged into gox seen price was higher than I paid so sent coins over to gox.  A couple hours later tried to log into gox to sell coins and username password error.  No contact or emails back from Gox at this point.  It has been several hours with no answer.

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March 03, 2012, 04:15:24 AM
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If true, this is really bad on MtGox part- to treat anyone who has tainted bitcoins as the thief. At the very least they should alert their client as to why their account is blocked.

In the first place there is nothing MtGox can do to "apprehend" the thief, its attempt to be sometype of policeman is pathetic. Secondly, withholding bitcoins is questionable at least, immoral and criminal at worst.
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March 03, 2012, 04:29:42 AM
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OP is not alone in this situation.  The same thing has happened to my account and I will tell you where I got my coins from Cryptoxchange.  I never thought $4.52 for a BTC was an outrageously low price so I bought 27 of them.  I woke up this morning logged into gox seen price was higher than I paid so sent coins over to gox.  A couple hours later tried to log into gox to sell coins and username password error.  No contact or emails back from Gox at this point.  It has been several hours with no answer.

After talking to the person i got the coins from,

Its so weird you said CryptoExchange..

Thats the same place he says he transferred them out of. But he says they first went to his wallet 0.o

He said they went from crypto to wallet to MTGOX via the address i gave him on my mtgox account


thats SOOOOO wierd
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March 03, 2012, 04:32:41 AM
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I was finally notified by mt. gox with an email like yours asking where they came from and tech support emailed at the same time saying my account was not locked.  Pretty funny because it was locked and exactly 1 minute after I got the original email I got the one saying not locked and the account is working fine.

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March 03, 2012, 04:38:41 AM
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Same here.

Password was wrong and never got a re-authetication email

The vendor i believe is a stand up person. After talking to him about what happened to me 2 other people have had this happen.

"He Say's" they went from crypto ->wallet ->mtgox

I have no reason to doubt him.

And i asked the vendor to verify what he said..He has showed me and sent in proof.

I believe the vendor %100. So Sorry MTGox but keep lookin
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March 03, 2012, 04:51:04 AM
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Problem I would say is whomever had the coins put some if not all coins on cryptoxchange.  I think that would be a good spot to start.  That might explain the growth of cryptoxchange and the high volumes traded there recently.

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March 03, 2012, 05:14:55 AM
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Problem I would say is whomever had the coins put some if not all coins on cryptoxchange.  I think that would be a good spot to start.  That might explain the growth of cryptoxchange and the high volumes traded there recently.
Good spot to start... what exactly?
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March 03, 2012, 05:20:03 AM
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I don't know how much cryptoxchange is involved but whomever's account sold the coins is a good spot to start the investigation.  There are posts all over the forum about the stolen BTC and where a good portion are right now.

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