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Question: Why do you visit the alt section so much?
I am looking for trading tips.
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I am here to release stress upon the deserving.
A combination of the above + I like reading about scams
I like reading about scams.

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August 06, 2014, 06:35:41 PM
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All power to Nxt, of course, but a little beyond our present-day horizon is an upcoming major legal clash that will rock the Nxt world. Right now, they'e relying on the legal analog to "security by obscurity" for their own very-well-filled AE.

God bless 'em, and God help 'em: I will definitely and publicly be on their side once the clash comes to a head. Since NFD has its fully functioning Nxt-clone Asset Exchange in its own ecosystem, I have lot of good reason to be on their side if the regulators come a' "knockin'."

So you can take the above as a Distant Early Warning plus a pre-commitment to help out the Nxters in any way that I can once the clash starts.       

Okay, I have to ask, are you talking about potential clashes with the SEC over the term "asset"?

I hate it when people say stuff with such certainty but then don't provide a pathway of rationale to how they got there. Unless you can prove you're BCNext there's no real reason to believe you.

And NFD will not surpass NXT. Its just a clone sold to people who think they are getting in on the next NXT.

And now I see that you're heavily behind NFD, which renders your entire opinion meaningless.

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August 06, 2014, 06:51:16 PM
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There should be an option in poll like - I want to be millionaire because I missed bitcoin train  Grin

LOL, I see your point and you're probably right but I honestly don't think that way. I think everyone wants to be a millionaire regardless of whether they missed the bitcoin train or not.

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August 06, 2014, 09:19:26 PM
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All power to Nxt, of course, but a little beyond our present-day horizon is an upcoming major legal clash that will rock the Nxt world. Right now, they'e relying on the legal analog to "security by obscurity" for their own very-well-filled AE.

God bless 'em, and God help 'em: I will definitely and publicly be on their side once the clash comes to a head. Since NFD has its fully functioning Nxt-clone Asset Exchange in its own ecosystem, I have lot of good reason to be on their side if the regulators come a' "knockin'."

So you can take the above as a Distant Early Warning plus a pre-commitment to help out the Nxters in any way that I can once the clash starts.      

Okay, I have to ask, are you talking about potential clashes with the SEC over the term "asset"?

I hate it when people say stuff with such certainty but then don't provide a pathway of rationale to how they got there. Unless you can prove you're BCNext there's no real reason to believe you.

And NFD will not surpass NXT. Its just a clone sold to people who think they are getting in on the next NXT.

And now I see that you're heavily behind NFD, which renders your entire opinion meaningless.

I knew it...I indirectly all-but pledge fealty to the Nxt Asset Exchange infrastructure, and someone come along and gives me the usual scolding.

Well, sir or madam, in this particular case your thin skin has gotten the better of you. Try:

1) Re-reading what I actually posted - all of it;
2) Taking a few deep breaths, counting to ten, and going for a walk around the block;
3) Reading the last paragraph of the post - namely, "So you can take the above as a Distant Early Warning plus a pre-commitment to help out the Nxters in any way that I can once the clash starts."



Quote from: The Parliament of Ontario, with the assent of the Lieutenant-Governor in right of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II
“security” includes,

(a) any document, instrument or writing commonly known as a security,

(b) any document constituting evidence of title to or interest in the capital, assets, property, profits, earnings or royalties of any person or company,

(c) any document constituting evidence of an interest in an association of legatees or heirs,

(d) any document constituting evidence of an option, subscription or other interest in or to a security,

(e) a bond, debenture, note or other evidence of indebtedness or a share, stock, unit, unit certificate, participation certificate, certificate of share or interest, preorganization certificate or subscription other than,

(i) a contract of insurance issued by an insurance company licensed under the Insurance Act, and

(ii) evidence of a deposit issued by a bank listed in Schedule I, II or III to the Bank Act (Canada), by a credit union or league to which the Credit Unions and Caisses Populaires Act, 1994 applies, by a loan corporation or trust corporation registered under the Loan and Trust Corporations Act or by an association to which the Cooperative Credit Associations Act (Canada) applies,

(f) any agreement under which the interest of the purchaser is valued for purposes of conversion or surrender by reference to the value of a proportionate interest in a specified portfolio of assets, except a contract issued by an insurance company licensed under the Insurance Act which provides for payment at maturity of an amount not less than three quarters of the premiums paid by the purchaser for a benefit payable at maturity,

(g) any agreement providing that money received will be repaid or treated as a subscription to shares, stock, units or interests at the option of the recipient or of any person or company,

(h) any certificate of share or interest in a trust, estate or association,

(i) any profit-sharing agreement or certificate,

(j) any certificate of interest in an oil, natural gas or mining lease, claim or royalty voting trust certificate,

(k) any oil or natural gas royalties or leases or fractional or other interest therein,

(l) any collateral trust certificate,

(m) any income or annuity contract not issued by an insurance company,

(n) any investment contract,

(o) any document constituting evidence of an interest in a scholarship or educational plan or trust, and

(p) any commodity futures contract or any commodity futures option that is not traded on a commodity futures exchange registered with or recognized by the Commission under the Commodity Futures Act or the form of which is not accepted by the Director under that Act,

whether any of the foregoing relate to an issuer or proposed issuer; (“valeur mobilière”)

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90s05_e.htm






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August 07, 2014, 01:52:32 PM
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There should be an option in poll like - I want to be millionaire because I missed bitcoin train  Grin

Funny, but would have to say "Just trying to keep busy & maybe earn something in the process".

That's pretty much my attitude. I like to say, with respect to NFD, that "I bought myself a job." Smiley






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August 07, 2014, 02:20:43 PM
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Thank you, nutildah, for not escalating this spat further downhill. I know my habit of climbing up the mountains on the horizon, and looking beyond them to see what might be coming, does make me a grade-A oddball around here. But I can tell you, and everyone else, that I'm worried about the securities regulators deciding that they do indeed have the prior authority to regulate the Asset Exchange.

To be honest, I bought the dead-tree version of Ontario's securities-law regime (3,400+ pages!) because I'm planning to pick through the entire thing (!!) to find one or more serviceable loopholes. What got the worry-wart app in my head running was definition (i): "any profit-sharing agreement or certificate." That's actually broader than, say, "any certificate or agreement evincing partial ownership in a company."

If (i) were the latter, feeshares would be safely out of scope. As it stands, though, feeshares might not be safely out of the Ontario regulators' purview.

The trouble with a complex basket of a law like the securities law is:

- if you want to find out what you can't do, it's a relatively easy chore. All you need is little more than a skim-through of the definitions and an "Executive Summary" of the whole thing.
- But...if you want to find out what you can do, you have to read through the Whole. Damned. Thing. And you have to read through it carefully (i.e., more than once.) And, for many intriguing loopholes, you have to read even more - like going through earlier decisions by the regulators in related matters to get a feel for what they consider "reasonable" when they come across a grey area.

No wonder most securities lawyers live in fancy homes...

Speaking of securities lawyers, I can see myself forking over four figures' worth of fiat some day to a real one in exchange for a legal opinion clarifying the legal status of the Asset Exchange. That's part o' my responsibilities as head dev for NFD, but what I find - whether though reading, paying or scrounging in the professor circuit - I will share freely and openly with the Nxt community. Fact is: with respect to regulatory matters, we're all in this together - so it's actually in my interest to share what I get with the Nxt community.

But this matter, at the moment, is a long-term beyond-the-horizon worry - so I'm quite content to let it drop and revert to shutting my trap. Wink 






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August 08, 2014, 02:48:20 AM
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Reading the banter about why one shitcoin is better than another shitcoin has its entertaining moments.  Are they really a scam when everyone is in on it?
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