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Duke, thanks for the update.
Can you please post the instructions for the swap for completeness and can you comment on how the swap procedure looks in terms of safety for both ends. Is there any escrow involved?
@uki, are you swapping yourself? I don't want to influence anybody's decision. Myself, I thought I would give it a try. I can tell that I swapped most of my coins and everything went smoothly! Once the sand got out of the gears on the chain :-) -dvd Yep  Maybe smoothly was not the right wording But you did your part immediately after the transactions were confirmed. |
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May 18, 2016, 07:29:38 PM |
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I dont have many for the swap, so I am going to keep mine as a souvenir - the first ever pre mined coin.  |
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TheLittleDuke
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May 18, 2016, 10:03:00 PM |
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I dont have many for the swap, so I am going to keep mine as a souvenir - the first ever pre mined coin. Then you should TOTALLY download the 2GIVE wallet and compete for block rewards -- since they will likely be worth more than your converted PMP  http://2Give.Info/#download-dvd |
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May 18, 2016, 10:39:26 PM |
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I dont have many for the swap, so I am going to keep mine as a souvenir - the first ever pre mined coin. Then you should TOTALLY download the 2GIVE wallet and compete for block rewards -- since they will likely be worth more than your converted PMP http://2Give.Info/#download-dvd Will you be publishing a list of all the premineplus addresses you have that contain coins, and the total number you hold? You might get a substantial percentage of the coins. |
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May 19, 2016, 01:39:22 AM |
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Will you be publishing a list of all the premineplus addresses you have that contain coins, and the total number you hold? You might get a substantial percentage of the coins.
I had not really given it much thought since I was planning on shutting down all our PMP infra after we concluded the swap -- the only thing I could see maybe doing is combining all the PMP we have received into a single address. Not sure what benefit (either way) there would be from disclosure -- as I understand it, your dev's hold most of it today anyway... -dvd |
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May 19, 2016, 01:56:00 AM |
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Trying to sync PMP again but getting stuck at block 30996 ... any tips guys?
I'd like to swap but need to sync first
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May 19, 2016, 02:07:20 AM |
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Trying to sync PMP again but getting stuck at block 30996 ... any tips guys?
I'd like to swap but need to sync first
You should be able to launch with -nosynccheckpoints I had to kill and restart a few times to get fully sync'd You could addnode in our seeds at: "blocks" : 123960, "ip" : "192.169.7.65", "ip" : "84.200.19.79", We're showing 7 connections on each of these nodes at the moment |
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May 19, 2016, 02:50:37 AM |
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I'm trying to sync the old PMP wallet, current block 103566. (only 2 connections)
The swap is over? Still I have some PMP in wallet.
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May 19, 2016, 11:39:18 AM |
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I'm trying to sync the old PMP wallet, current block 103566. (only 2 connections)
The swap is over? Still I have some PMP in wallet.
Try adding the SNF seed nodes listed above. We understand that it's hard to move PMP due to the nature of the chain -- so we'll honor the swap for at least another week and see how it goes.. -dvd |
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May 19, 2016, 03:33:23 PM |
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So it appears that you cannot disable staking on the PMP wallet -- that's super annoying and likely one of the reasons no exchange wanted to host it for very long
Not only does it require additional support for accounting -- I can now see that PMP would likely put an exchange at risk for not being able to fulfill an order to withdraw.
Terrible design IMHO...
I MIGHT be willing to fork / modify the PMP wallet to add a "mint=0" option to command line / config file and/or a "getmint/setmint" pair to the RPC protocol for anyone who wants to keep their coins from staking in order to get them transferred to SNF for SWAP to 2GIVE.
Need to know if it's worth my time -- who here would use something like this?
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May 19, 2016, 08:34:40 PM |
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So it appears that you cannot disable staking on the PMP wallet -- that's super annoying and likely one of the reasons no exchange wanted to host it for very long
Not only does it require additional support for accounting -- I can now see that PMP would likely put an exchange at risk for not being able to fulfill an order to withdraw.
Terrible design IMHO...
I MIGHT be willing to fork / modify the PMP wallet to add a "mint=0" option to command line / config file and/or a "getmint/setmint" pair to the RPC protocol for anyone who wants to keep their coins from staking in order to get them transferred to SNF for SWAP to 2GIVE.
Need to know if it's worth my time -- who here would use something like this?
-dvd
Hold on, I don't see where is the problem. In order to stake you have to unlock the wallet, otherwise it won't stake. You can keep your wallet open without staking just to stay in sync. No need to modify that. |
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May 19, 2016, 08:38:26 PM |
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Duke, thanks for the update.
Can you please post the instructions for the swap for completeness and can you comment on how the swap procedure looks in terms of safety for both ends. Is there any escrow involved?
@uki, are you swapping yourself? I don't want to influence anybody's decision. Myself, I thought I would give it a try. I can tell that I swapped most of my coins and everything went smoothly! Once the sand got out of the gears on the chain :-) SERIOUSLY guys...I don't know why all the PMP <3 here -- this chain doesn't treat you with the same kind of respect that you're giving it :p QUICK UPDATE! 2GIVE is now listed on YOBit.net - https://yobit.net/en/trade/2GIVE/BTCWe didn't even have to ask them, they just fired it up! I've submitted a request to Poloniex as well... -dvd The biggest problem with any pure PoS coin, PMP included, is that you need to have people with their wallets staking. the more confirmations are required to get the PoS block (in case of PMP it is 50, so a bit too much) the more people, or blocks within one wallet, have to stake in order to be able to generate a full loop of 50 confirmations. If we loose one wallet, the whole process stalls as we cannot get to 50. |
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May 19, 2016, 08:46:50 PM |
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Will you be publishing a list of all the premineplus addresses you have that contain coins, and the total number you hold? You might get a substantial percentage of the coins.
I had not really given it much thought since I was planning on shutting down all our PMP infra after we concluded the swap -- the only thing I could see maybe doing is combining all the PMP we have received into a single address. Not sure what benefit (either way) there would be from disclosure -- as I understand it, your dev's hold most of it today anyway... -dvd just for the record. the address of the main wallet (containing all undistributed coins) is: PG7x5B7gLCkypaKFcmrBvH8QeYM9cLv74e. 602 940 PMP should still sit there. Nullu (our main dev) is the one who holds the keys. As he disappeared some (long) time ago, these coins are in limbo. |
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May 20, 2016, 12:54:27 AM |
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I'm trying to sync the old PMP wallet, current block 103566. (only 2 connections)
The swap is over? Still I have some PMP in wallet.
Try adding the SNF seed nodes listed above. We understand that it's hard to move PMP due to the nature of the chain -- so we'll honor the swap for at least another week and see how it goes.. -dvd Awesome! I'm syncing from scratch again on a crappy net connection so it might take me a few days, and don't want to miss the 2GIVE lifeboats. PMP community was pretty committed, so I think 2GIVE will be much stronger for the refugees you attract |
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May 20, 2016, 03:15:15 AM |
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Awesome! I'm syncing from scratch again on a crappy net connection so it might take me a few days, and don't want to miss the 2GIVE lifeboats.
PMP community was pretty committed, so I think 2GIVE will be much stronger for the refugees you attract
Everyone who acquires and holds 2GIVE is a fellow stakeholder in my eyes -- be it one 2GIVE or many! We're all "refugees" when you think about it? One of the things that I've heard said about the USA in particular is that, "while we do not share a common history -- we do share a common future." I feel the same way about 2GIVE -- it doesn't matter how you got here -- what matters more is that you're here now and holding something for the future (staking) Your POS rewards help us all -- which is why I do not consider POS a selfish act at all. Looking forward to having you join us! -dvd |
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May 20, 2016, 03:18:35 AM |
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The biggest problem with any pure PoS coin, PMP included, is that you need to have people with their wallets staking.
the more confirmations are required to get the PoS block (in case of PMP it is 50, so a bit too much) the more people, or blocks within one wallet, have to stake in order to be able to generate a full loop of 50 confirmations. If we loose one wallet, the whole process stalls as we cannot get to 50.
Totally get that -- and if you do a root cause analysis on that (the old 5 Why's) -- you'd see that in order to encourage people to leave their wallets running and staking is because they believe that they will have some future ability to exchange it. Running a wallet to make more of something that doesn't have much value isn't very satisfying... I know I'm preaching to the choir here on this, and you have my pledge to keep our seed wallet online and staking for as long as it takes to get every last PMP holder who wants to willing join the 2GIVE community over the wall! -dvd |
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May 20, 2016, 11:04:22 AM |
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Awesome! I'm syncing from scratch again on a crappy net connection so it might take me a few days, and don't want to miss the 2GIVE lifeboats.
PMP community was pretty committed, so I think 2GIVE will be much stronger for the refugees you attract
Everyone who acquires and holds 2GIVE is a fellow stakeholder in my eyes -- be it one 2GIVE or many! We're all "refugees" when you think about it? One of the things that I've heard said about the USA in particular is that, "while we do not share a common history -- we do share a common future." I feel the same way about 2GIVE -- it doesn't matter how you got here -- what matters more is that you're here now and holding something for the future (staking) Your POS rewards help us all -- which is why I do not consider POS a selfish act at all. Looking forward to having you join us! -dvd I'm interested to know what charities 2GIVE will support? Who decides, is it by vote? |
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May 20, 2016, 11:27:07 AM |
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I'm trying to sync the old PMP wallet, current block 103566. (only 2 connections)
The swap is over? Still I have some PMP in wallet.
Try adding the SNF seed nodes listed above. We understand that it's hard to move PMP due to the nature of the chain -- so we'll honor the swap for at least another week and see how it goes.. -dvd another week stars from yesterday? i still out of town and i got my pmp wallet on my laptop at home will be back on monday , am i still make it to swap? |
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May 20, 2016, 11:59:13 AM |
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I'm interested to know what charities 2GIVE will support? Who decides, is it by vote?
Currently the plan is to pull them from: https://doabitofgood.com/DirectoryAny and all pro-social causes are welcome! -dvd |
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