[Awesome Miner] - Powerful Windows GUI to manage and monitor up to 200000 miners

[moppidoo]

Does this have any type of switching prevention or other formula like multipoolminer does to stop you from mining every single spike on a coin?   As it is now, my choice is current stats which means I'm typically mining a coin for one or two minutes that by the time it gets exchanged is nowhere near as profitable or I'm using 24hr stats which means I'm basically just mining bitcore.

Yes, go to the Options, Profit switching tab... then enable the Profit switching threshold.  Set a percentage that you are comfortable with.  If you set it to 15% for example, then the spiking algo/coin has to be 15% more profitable than what you are mining now.

I'll have to look at that a bit. I have my doubts that would do exactly what i'm talking about as most of the time, they are well above 15% more.  Even 50% I think you would still be grabbing the spikes.  Multipoolminer checks these and basically determines how likely they are to stay at the level they are at rather than having you mine something that supposedly is doing very high for a minute only to get exchanged for next to nothing.

This happens for all of us. After changing the algo, it stays a few minutes and after that goes to a small amount, less than 50% the amount you was doing previously, before changing the algo. Spikes are taken and also during that spike, the issue is that the amount that you are actually being paid by the pool is also much less, so AM just changes and shows you that is making an amount that is even 4 times more the amount that you are actually being paid, and this is misleading, showing the user a values that is a lie, something 4 times higher it is something that should be fixed and users should check for real pool paiments, instead of values totally wrong shown by AM.

It must be a solution for problems like this one. If you put a minimum amount, AM should automatically change to next best algo different than current one with the amount higher than the limit you specified.  With this solution, you won't have to wait minutes until next statistics pull from the server and see the profitability go from $90/day/rig to just $5/day/rig in just a few seconds, it is disastrous to see this difference.


Also another important thing is the frequency AM reloads pool statistics. Is it the same amount of minutes that is used to load statistics form whattomine, or is it more often ?  Where can we configure pools statistics reload frequency ?

What do you think ?

Firstly, please stop calling AM misleading, lie, paiments, value totally wrong shown by AM ... etc. FYI, users should read
http://www.awesomeminer.com/help/coinstats.aspx

of course prediction could be polished, but that might not be a top priority, something like MPH's normalization formula and you still get tons of complaints as to the accuracy of so called "most profitable" all the time.

if one is so good at always mining the most profitable coin and at any instant of spike switch thinks they being scammed and conned, I don't know what to say, maybe that's the reason why we're still mining and not billionaires cause mining is the DUMB way to get rich quick?

You have full control, disable algos you think always spiking, change profit factors, mine at different pools...or like SP said, buy lots of hardwares until you are at full capacity THEN you go and pay 0.5 BTC for his mod, who cares he makes 18 Trillion selling his mod of ccMiner, some ppl simply are willing to pay for that price tag, and if you are jealous, maybe you can find some cheap labour somewhere from the country you mentioned, and team up with them and make a better mod and make 500 gazillion from it.

I suspect if you want to make switching smarter, you might be able to do so with C# scripting, why not go learn programming and try it out since Patrike dedicating 70hrs per week on AM is still getting no impressions, and if he do, maybe there will be outcry of jealousy that he might just rip everyone off selling AM...darn, why is it not free? OH WAIT? there is a free version available!

Lastly, maybe one'd not ever gonna learn scripting and optimizing already available settings cause everything must be done and handed to them on silver platter, which means not even reading the log files...yes, it's under Tools -> Log file button...double click on it and open with say the lamest editor, Notepad

press Ctrl-F and enter the search term "Profitability Information" (without quotes), check if that log entry matches the interval you set for the stats update...oh wow...it matches!....gosh....damn, gotta pay someone to do this too maybe?

[akhouston]

@puwaha, @patrike

question for you if you don't mind. I understand your argument for using 24hr averages (and preferably even longer) vs instant and having running switching no more often than once an hour or so. I'm still to see the results - I used to run switching every 1-5 minutes with a high threshold for switching, like 30-40% (call it 1/1/30). I need to run it for the whole day or 2 to make a conclusion. But here's a problem that surfaced right away when using 24hr/1hr pattern (i'll call it 24/1/10) - bad pools. So if I run 1/1/30 and the pool is bad, which can be manifested in multiple ways, for instance AM keeps restarting a miner saying that the process is not running (though accepted # keeps ticking) or no accepted blocks are coming in, then the pool will potentially quickly drop off the top of the profitability table and AM will happily switch to (hopefully) a non-corrupted pool. Now if the same problem arises during my 24/1/10 configuration, I'm potentially screwed for hours - the best AM miner can do here (I wish it could be more intelligent dealing with multiple restarts, except just stop trying after X times and stopping the miner in the process) is to keep restarting the miner, which does no good, since it keeps going back to the same corrupted pool. Have you run into something like this before (btw, it seems that lots of pools are having problems in the last couple days)? How would you deal with it?

PS: I find it quite useful to monitor the # of accepted blocks in the last 3-5 minutes and if that number stalls force profit switching and restarting the rig. HOWEVER, and that might be another question, it seems that AM has a "miner not running, restarting" routine that's run outside of the rules framework and I can't figure out how to intercept it and, potentially, force it to run a profit switching before restarting the miner - have you ever dealt with that one?

Thanks!

[robl450]

for 24 hour profitability settings, why would you not set it to 1 minute or 5 minutes?  It doesn't switch very often anyway.  The problem I have with that at least on my system is it will basically just mine bitcore forever.

[akhouston]

for 24 hour profitability settings, why would you not set it to 1 minute or 5 minutes?  It doesn't switch very often anyway.  The problem I have with that at least on my system is it will basically just mine bitcore forever.

From my experience you need to be careful when selecting pools for this. AHashpool is most reliable in terms of not experiencing / showing crazy spikes, while zpool and MHP are the worst.

[Gongolo]

A question about profit switching.
If a pool does true PPS rewarding, would it be better switching to the "current" more profitable algo?

[Zaffor]

Greetings

Just installed the free AM program to try it out. Thanks for offering this option BTW.
As a very new miner I am still testing this and that trying to find the most profitable options for me so I yet have much to learn.

Regarding AM software- If I purchase paid version which would allow me to remotely manage all rigs from one PC, would AM allow me to set each rig's pool wallet separately? I manage rigs for both my brother and myself right now remotely. Would like to try the option of managing just from one program without having to log into each rig independently. Not sure how the settings carry over from rig to rig and if it allows these settings to be different or just clones them from the original.

Also curious as to how the software works when mining to a pool such as Ahash. Does AM choose most profitable algo and just points at Ahash? OR does Ahash choose best algo and request it from AM?

Thanks for the info

[toptek]

Greetings

Just installed the free AM program to try it out. Thanks for offering this option BTW.
As a very new miner I am still testing this and that trying to find the most profitable options for me so I yet have much to learn.

Regarding AM software- If I purchase paid version which would allow me to remotely manage all rigs from one PC, would AM allow me to set each rig's pool wallet separately? I manage rigs for both my brother and myself right now remotely. Would like to try the option of managing just from one program without having to log into each rig independently. Not sure how the settings carry over from rig to rig and if it allows these settings to be different or just clones them from the original.

Also curious as to how the software works when mining to a pool such as Ahash. Does AM choose most profitable algo and just points at Ahash? OR does Ahash choose best algo and request it from AM?

Thanks for the info

in one word set each rig's pool wallet separately  yes I have done it testing stuff, I may have two rigs on one pool and 2/3 on another pool or the same pool with 2 different wallets for whatever reason but only if the pool allows it with the same account,  tip: no pools Ive tried under the same User name let me that doesn't use the wallet direct but stores it on there site till payout .

[Zaffor]

Greetings

Just installed the free AM program to try it out. Thanks for offering this option BTW.
As a very new miner I am still testing this and that trying to find the most profitable options for me so I yet have much to learn.

Regarding AM software- If I purchase paid version which would allow me to remotely manage all rigs from one PC, would AM allow me to set each rig's pool wallet separately? I manage rigs for both my brother and myself right now remotely. Would like to try the option of managing just from one program without having to log into each rig independently. Not sure how the settings carry over from rig to rig and if it allows these settings to be different or just clones them from the original.

Also curious as to how the software works when mining to a pool such as Ahash. Does AM choose most profitable algo and just points at Ahash? OR does Ahash choose best algo and request it from AM?

Thanks for the info

in one word set each rig's pool wallet separately  yes I have done it testing stuff, I may have two rigs on one pool and 2/3 on another pool or the same pool with 2 different wallets for whatever reason but only if the pool allows it with the same account,  tip: no pools Ive tried under the same User name let me that doesn't use the wallet direct but stores it on there site till payout .

I have only used Ahashpool and it did not require an account, just a btc wallet ( or i guess any wallet you request payout to)
It looks like maybe mining pool hub requires an account ( i think ) so if i understand correctly I couldnt point all our rigs to that pool and split our payouts?
Thanks for the reply tek

[jebidia]

Hi all,

Just started checking out this software and have a question about the "online services" tab.   It appears that most are listed as 24hr actual, which is awesome...But I'm curious about mining pool hub.  It doesn't say if that's current or 24hr actual...The reason I ask is that is REALLY seems to move a lot when it updates...so I'm guessing that one is a "current profit" ?

[akhouston]

I have only used Ahashpool and it did not require an account, just a btc wallet ( or i guess any wallet you request payout to)
It looks like maybe mining pool hub requires an account ( i think ) so if i understand correctly I couldnt point all our rigs to that pool and split our payouts?
Thanks for the reply tek

for mph you need to set your workers names in the account settings (on the mph site) and they you can customize worker name per rig in AM.

[Zaffor]

I have only used Ahashpool and it did not require an account, just a btc wallet ( or i guess any wallet you request payout to)
It looks like maybe mining pool hub requires an account ( i think ) so if i understand correctly I couldnt point all our rigs to that pool and split our payouts?
Thanks for the reply tek

for mph you need to set your workers names in the account settings (on the mph site) and they you can customize worker name per rig in AM.

So I can create a MPH account but define our individual rigs with different names and then point these individual named rigs to separate wallets?

[akhouston]

So I can create a MPH account but define our individual rigs with different names and then point these individual named rigs to separate wallets?

after creating an account you need to create workers on the mph site... those name you'll be using when configuring your individual rigs in AM

[yhbae]

So I can create a MPH account but define our individual rigs with different names and then point these individual named rigs to separate wallets?

after creating an account you need to create workers on the mph site... those name you'll be using when configuring your individual rigs in AM

I'm not sure if you can assign different wallets per each worker though...

You can globally set auto-exchange currency and wallets for each currency. I think all of your rig earnings will end up getting converted into the same auto-exchange currency then deposited into the same wallet.

I don't think you want to assign different algorithms/coins per each rig, do you? Rig earnings won't get mixed this way, but probably this is not what you want...

[moppidoo]

So I can create a MPH account but define our individual rigs with different names and then point these individual named rigs to separate wallets?

after creating an account you need to create workers on the mph site... those name you'll be using when configuring your individual rigs in AM

just to clarify, you should have no problems mining the rigs to different accounts in MPH (one for you, one for your brother)

in AM you set up the miners and override the online service pools by Right Click miner -> Properties -> Override pool settings

check the boxes for the pools you want to override (you can also do that for custom pools, just use that for 2 sets of custom pool groups) and for example MPH, you'd put in the Worker name field in the format: MyOwnMiner.Worker1 for your rig, and MyBrotherMiner.Worker1 for your brother's rig...that will point one miner to the account MyOwnMiner, and one miner to account MyBrotherMiner...and so on where you set different worker names (Worker2, Worker3....etc) for other rigs/miners.

This works the same for other online services except you put actual address in the respective fields.

[moppidoo]

Also curious as to how the software works when mining to a pool such as Ahash. Does AM choose most profitable algo and just points at Ahash? OR does Ahash choose best algo and request it from AM?

Thanks for the info

The way I understand is this, the Yiimp (Ahash,zpool,Hashrefinery predefined, many others not integrated goes through Whattomine to determine profitability if you want to set it up) pools have their own API's, same as MPH who have its own API.

1. AM pulls metrics from these predefined online services API at intervals you set in Options -> Statistics and convert the api's reported BTC/HashRate/Day per Current/24 hour average (depending on your selection) according to Coinbase/Bitstamp (depending on your selection) into basically Fiat/Day (as per your settings in Options -> Coins & Profit -> Currency).

2. Then it list them in the table in the Online Services Tab and displays Revenue/Profit (this is depending on your rig's hashrate, thus important that you benchmark and input the actual hashrate of each rig on their own Profit Profile) there for your reference, it will select the most profit/day for your rig (for how it is determined over each API update interval, right click miner -> View Details -> Profit Switching Tab)

3. From there, AM has all the information it need to determine profit switching, it then decides whether to switch depending on your settings in Options -> Profit Switching (Switching Interval, Switch Threshold), note power cost is taken into consideration and AM determines Profit/Day rather than Revenue/Day where user input in both Power cost AND Profit Profiles are available, thus for best profit guestimation and where power cost plays big factor, it is best you also have them filled in in each rig's Profit Profile.


In short though
  -> AM fetches pools profitability API
  -> AM choose most profitable with what's fed through API
  -> AM point miners at pool's algo deemed most profitable during switching interval
  -> Pool chooses coins to mine within that algo
  -> pool exchanges rewarded coins mined sometimes later when coins are sold on exchanges (hours, days and even weeks delay)
  -> Pool credits your account/wallet for accumulated coins
  -> Pool pays to your wallet on their payout schedule provided your have accumulated the minimum payout threshold as defined per pool (MPH can be set to auto-payout or manual payout on demand as opposed to Yiimp pools)

[EdInNH]

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1) The best deployment is to run Awesome Miner on a separate computer, but it also works fine to run it on one of your miners. Then you install Remote Agent on all other mining rigs. The single Awesome Miner instance will let you manage and monitor the mining of all your mining rigs in a single user interface

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With Awesome Miner running on the secure subnet and the Remote Agent running on the mining computer on the DMZ subnet what ports need to be opened for communications between the Remote Agent and Awesome Miner?

[toptek]

Greetings

Just installed the free AM program to try it out. Thanks for offering this option BTW.
As a very new miner I am still testing this and that trying to find the most profitable options for me so I yet have much to learn.

Regarding AM software- If I purchase paid version which would allow me to remotely manage all rigs from one PC, would AM allow me to set each rig's pool wallet separately? I manage rigs for both my brother and myself right now remotely. Would like to try the option of managing just from one program without having to log into each rig independently. Not sure how the settings carry over from rig to rig and if it allows these settings to be different or just clones them from the original.

Also curious as to how the software works when mining to a pool such as Ahash. Does AM choose most profitable algo and just points at Ahash? OR does Ahash choose best algo and request it from AM?

Thanks for the info

in one word set each rig's pool wallet separately  yes I have done it testing stuff, I may have two rigs on one pool and 2/3 on another pool or the same pool with 2 different wallets for whatever reason but only if the pool allows it with the same account,  tip: no pools Ive tried under the same User name let me that doesn't use the wallet direct but stores it on there site till payout .

I have only used Ahashpool and it did not require an account, just a btc wallet ( or i guess any wallet you request payout to)
It looks like maybe mining pool hub requires an account ( i think ) so if i understand correctly I couldnt point all our rigs to that pool and split our payouts?
Thanks for the reply tek

I forgot to add some pools will let you mine direct with a Address for that coin...  like nicehash or the way you want to . you would have to read the online help for that pool, nicehash works both way with a account or with out one but nicehash only pays in BTC. I did read some place nice hash is looking at other payouts after what two years , I'm not sure what they meant exactly .

Nice hash it just a example

and like moppidoo said make two MPH accounts it's a little more work but that will work .

[puwaha]

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1) The best deployment is to run Awesome Miner on a separate computer, but it also works fine to run it on one of your miners. Then you install Remote Agent on all other mining rigs. The single Awesome Miner instance will let you manage and monitor the mining of all your mining rigs in a single user interface

...

With Awesome Miner running on the secure subnet and the Remote Agent running on the mining computer on the DMZ subnet what ports need to be opened for communications between the Remote Agent and Awesome Miner?

Why in the world would you put your miner in a DMZ?  If you absolutely have to do this, it uses port 9630 by default.

[puwaha]

Hi all,

Just started checking out this software and have a question about the "online services" tab.   It appears that most are listed as 24hr actual, which is awesome...But I'm curious about mining pool hub.  It doesn't say if that's current or 24hr actual...The reason I ask is that is REALLY seems to move a lot when it updates...so I'm guessing that one is a "current profit" ?

You are correct.  Yiimp style pools like zpool or ahashpool provide 24hr actual in their APIs.

[puwaha]

A question about profit switching.
If a pool does true PPS rewarding, would it be better switching to the "current" more profitable algo?

In theory, yes.  This is what some Nicehash renters do, they will swoop in before a block ends and after a block begins with a lot of rented hashrate to build up a large amount of shares and then move on.  On smaller to medium size pools they take a good portion of shares and thus a good portion of the block rewards, especially if the pool is lucky.