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March 07, 2012, 09:05:41 PM
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The recent Internet viral video "Kony 2012" aims to portray Joseph Kony in a negative manner, and calls for US military intervention. Although the crimes Kony has committed are unforgivable, I have come to question the ethics of singling out Joseph Kony and asking the government to intervene militarily. While this is a sensitive and touchy subject, I honestly believe that this campaign does more harm than good to our international community. Information on the video can be found here. Does anyone have any comments on this issue?
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March 08, 2012, 02:46:42 AM
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The recent Internet viral video "Kony 2012" aims to portray Joseph Kony in a negative manner, and calls for US military intervention. Although the crimes Kony has committed are unforgivable, I have come to question the ethics of singling out Joseph Kony and asking the government to intervene militarily. While this is a sensitive and touchy subject, I honestly believe that this campaign does more harm than good to our international community. Information on the video can be found here. Does anyone have any comments on this issue?

Typically white hats will do that. And younger Anonymous are drawn to that solution.

Us older black hats are taking a different approach and we will get his ass caught without military intervention.

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March 08, 2012, 12:05:43 PM
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The recent Internet viral video "Kony 2012" aims to portray Joseph Kony in a negative manner, and calls for US military intervention. Although the crimes Kony has committed are unforgivable, I have come to question the ethics of singling out Joseph Kony and asking the government to intervene militarily. While this is a sensitive and touchy subject, I honestly believe that this campaign does more harm than good to our international community. Information on the video can be found here. Does anyone have any comments on this issue?

Its not wrong for them to ask for help dealing with a bad guy who has been on the rampage for nearly 20 years.  But it would be stupid for the US to put serious manpower into it.  There are already 100 advisers and if more is needed, use a drone.

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March 08, 2012, 03:13:08 PM
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For information purposes only; I've not paid the slightest bit of attention to this viral campaign (other than to note its name):

http://www.adamsmith.org/blog/international/kony2012-and-the-dangers-of-youtube-fauxtivism


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March 08, 2012, 03:52:18 PM
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So who is he and why should I vote for him in November? Huh



Jokes aside I don't understand how making people aware will really do much.  If for whatever reason something happens and he is dealt with, consider it like drug dealers you can take them off the corner but someone else will take his place.

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March 08, 2012, 04:39:25 PM
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Was it wrong for the US to stop Hitler, and what he was doing?

I know, it's a bit of an apples to oranges comparison... the US didn't really get involved until it seemed as though there was a real threat to the country if Hitler kept being successful in his campaign.

Regardless, I think it is absolutely ethical and right for the US government to get involved and capture (I'd prefer head on a pole, but settle for capture) this killer.  Hopefully, the 100 advisers will be enough to help complete the mission.
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March 08, 2012, 05:36:31 PM
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Was it wrong for the US to stop Hitler, and what he was doing?

I know, it's a bit of an apples to oranges comparison... the US didn't really get involved until it seemed as though there was a real threat to the country if Hitler kept being successful in his campaign.

Regardless, I think it is absolutely ethical and right for the US government to get involved and capture (I'd prefer head on a pole, but settle for capture) this killer.  Hopefully, the 100 advisers will be enough to help complete the mission.

The didn't get involved until Hitler declared war on America.  If he hadn't done that, the probability is that the US would have left Hitler and Stalin to fight it out indefinitely.

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March 09, 2012, 01:28:07 AM
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My stance on this is that this is injustice to the Ugandans, of which many have already spoken out against Kony 2012. It's always scary when a foreign megapower has stationed thousands of soldiers in your country, and the US has no right to do this unless the Ugandans agree. Although Kony is a killer, does it make it right to inevitably kill many civilians just to capture Kony?
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March 09, 2012, 02:26:22 AM
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Another "humanitarian" war for oil. Fuck you!
Make a campaign to put Obama behind bars and I'll support it. Or maybe even kill him without a trial, given that he's so fond of doing it to others.

http://www.bolsalibre.es/articles/view/uganda-petroleo

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March 09, 2012, 07:22:26 AM
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original propaganda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc

some talk about it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpPg_mvA9qY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DO73Ese25Y (she is from Uganda and has very good stuff to tell)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR-WcWYgIw4

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Kony may not even be in Uganda anymore, and in fact might even be dead already.
in short, if there is oil in Uganda or some other valuable resource, this will create another useless war. I also heard that it is possible that the PRC has been doing stuff in Africa, and the US is trying to keep up. This might lead to a second cold war.

and lastly, do research, do not just take what i say as fact.

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March 09, 2012, 11:39:51 PM
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If Obama does do something about this, it may be in the "lame duck" phase of governence. This viral campaign is speading like spanish flu right now, and right now I believe Obama will not be going to war with Uganda because of Kony, but rather another valuable resource (oil?).

*tin foil hat*
In fact, it is quite possible the US gov't is simply looking for an excuse to go to war with Uganda. I find this disgusting and completely injust to the general public in not only the US and Uganda, but everywhere in the world.
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March 09, 2012, 11:48:34 PM
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It would be unconstitutional for the US military to act against "Kony" unless Congress approves. If the military and the Obama administration get congressional approval and thus approval by the people, I'm fine by it.

Likely Obama is going to wipe his ass with the constitution and say "lol UN said I could", then invade Uganda anyways. Then he will order the killing of thousands of anti-American militants and their families in the process.

I really don't like any of this. My preferred solution is these anti-Kony groups hiring their own mercenaries, UN troops, whatever and capturing him themselves; rather than doing it on the American taxpayer's dime.

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March 10, 2012, 09:08:16 PM
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If Kony hasn't launched an attack in 6 years and Ugandans who live there are not worried about the LRA, then what threat is their really?

The resources of Uganda are rare earth elements currently. Since China controls most of the rare earth industry, is this an attempt to gain control of a part of that?
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Uganda has substantial natural resources, including fertile soils, regular rainfall, and sizable mineral deposits of copper and cobalt. The country has largely untapped reserves of both crude oil and natural gas.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda

So this may also become an oil/natural gas grab.

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coffee, Uganda's principal export.
For the love of God we must prevent Obama from invading Uganda, he will disrupt the farming of coffee, and my Revolutionary Beverage will be unaffordable. Someone should make a movie from this perspective while spoofing the Kony 2012 movie.

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March 11, 2012, 11:22:06 AM
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The resources of Uganda are rare earth elements currently. Since China controls most of the rare earth industry, is this an attempt to gain control of a part of that?


Rare earth elements are really rare.  They are everywhere.  It is just dirty to produce them.  China has very relaxed environmental laws and put a lot of investment in getting the industry, thus now they control 90% of the market.  America could do it in their backyard but the Californians and Floridans would cry.

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March 11, 2012, 08:26:41 PM
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The resources of Uganda are rare earth elements currently. Since China controls most of the rare earth industry, is this an attempt to gain control of a part of that?


Rare earth elements are really rare.  They are everywhere.  It is just dirty to produce them.  China has very relaxed environmental laws and put a lot of investment in getting the industry, thus now they control 90% of the market.  America could do it in their backyard but the Californians and Floridans would cry.
AFAIK most rare earth elements are fairly common, but not very useful. Since none of them (excluding Promethium, which is rare) are radioactive, it shouldn't be too dirty to produce them.
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March 11, 2012, 09:03:42 PM
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Oh looky, another heart-string tugging bullshit liberal agenda cause celebre for Hollywood to get organized behind, and the Anonymous/OWS jack-offs to whine about. Maybe they can get Leonardo to do another CG magazine cover shoot proudly portraying the Great White Hunter with his boot on Kony's throat.

If Emperor Barry the Historic First actually had balls he would take action. Instead, like every other candy-ass bullshit way he has conducted his Presidency, he sees an opportunity to gain popularity with the brain-dead mindless lemming demographic that suckles at the media teat of Souros.

Quit trying to run the world as a focus group, grow a pair and do something. If Kony is truly the King of All Evil he is portrayed as, we have the means to remove him from power within the next 24 hours. Take the shot, or shut the fuck up. Same thing with Assad in Syria. Same thing they could have done 20 months earlier with Bin Laden, but this way the timing is better to have the movie come out just in time for the election. But no, we have to suffer through this namby-pamby whiny garbage about the world's outrage, and lets all show we care, by sending money to support some asshole who thinks plastering stickers is positive political action.

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March 11, 2012, 10:14:10 PM
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...snip...

If Emperor Barry the Historic First actually had balls he would take action. Instead, like every other candy-ass bullshit way he has conducted his Presidency, he sees an opportunity to gain popularity with the brain-dead mindless lemming demographic that suckles at the media teat of Souros.

...snip...

The US has had troops in Uganda and the surrounding countries for about 6 months:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15317684

That's from well before this current media feeding frenzy.  And long after the video is forgotten, there will still be US troops providing "training."

Unless you are seriously proposing occupying the place, I don't know what more you hoped for.

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March 11, 2012, 11:05:57 PM
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Kony is a Fraud?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yTAI0MTZ9E

Meet Joseph Kony: 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWiF9hSgyoU

Manhunt: Catching Kony 2010 (His army is 80 strong.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2Q93a7OOMA

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March 12, 2012, 01:42:30 AM
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...snip...

If Emperor Barry the Historic First actually had balls he would take action. Instead, like every other candy-ass bullshit way he has conducted his Presidency, he sees an opportunity to gain popularity with the brain-dead mindless lemming demographic that suckles at the media teat of Souros.

...snip...

The US has had troops in Uganda and the surrounding countries for about 6 months:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15317684

That's from well before this current media feeding frenzy.  And long after the video is forgotten, there will still be US troops providing "training."

Unless you are seriously proposing occupying the place, I don't know what more you hoped for.

A training cadre in-country is hardly taking action. We have training groups all over the world. If President Buckwheat was genuine there would be nothing but a smoking crater and some residual DNA left of Kony. But instead we have a delightfully managed media campaign created virally, and scoring over 2.7 million YouTube hits in the first 24 hours!!! (Which would have crashed the YouTube servers FTW) immaculately conceived by some bleeding heart production group that nobody has ever heard of before this sham leading the blind and intellectually impaired to the well and telling them how to drink of this latest load of tripe.

This is the foulest agit-prop Wag the Dog bullshit I have seen in quite a while, and the slobbering cretins who are falling for this bullshit sicken me.

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March 12, 2012, 03:38:22 AM
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...snip...

If Emperor Barry the Historic First actually had balls he would take action. Instead, like every other candy-ass bullshit way he has conducted his Presidency, he sees an opportunity to gain popularity with the brain-dead mindless lemming demographic that suckles at the media teat of Souros.

...snip...

The US has had troops in Uganda and the surrounding countries for about 6 months:  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15317684

That's from well before this current media feeding frenzy.  And long after the video is forgotten, there will still be US troops providing "training."

Unless you are seriously proposing occupying the place, I don't know what more you hoped for.

A training cadre in-country is hardly taking action. We have training groups all over the world. If President Buckwheat was genuine there would be nothing but a smoking crater and some residual DNA left of Kony. But instead we have a delightfully managed media campaign created virally, and scoring over 2.7 million YouTube hits in the first 24 hours!!! (Which would have crashed the YouTube servers FTW) immaculately conceived by some bleeding heart production group that nobody has ever heard of before this sham leading the blind and intellectually impaired to the well and telling them how to drink of this latest load of tripe.

This is the foulest agit-prop Wag the Dog bullshit I have seen in quite a while, and the slobbering cretins who are falling for this bullshit sicken me.
You just killed your credibility with posting that part.
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