Nanaimo Gold - Shady Business Practices???

[byronbb]

On may 4th Shane Smith of nanaimo gold informed me my money order for $999 of BTC @ 2.9 had been received but he didn't have the bitcoins to actually send. (He claimed it was other peoples fault instead of his which is weird since he buys and sells bitcoins). Anyways we have been back and forth for 8 days and I still have no bitcoins and no idea where my money is. DO NOT USE THIS WEBSITE.

[SgtSpike]

I'm not going to leave feedback myself, since the details of these situations aren't hashed out yet, but if any of you feel that Nanaimo Gold has wronged you or did indeed follow through on their promises, leave some feedback!  That will help give a clear indication of whether people should trust this company.

http://www.bitcoinfeedback.com/viewuser.php?id=28

[gigabytecoin]

On may 4th Shane Smith of nanaimo gold informed me my money order for $999 of BTC @ 2.9 had been received but he didn't have the bitcoins to actually send. (He claimed it was other peoples fault instead of his which is weird since he buys and sells bitcoins). Anyways we have been back and forth for 8 days and I still have no bitcoins and no idea where my money is. DO NOT USE THIS WEBSITE.

Wow, is this legit?

[byronbb]

Here's the original email. The address the btc should be sent to is still empty.

http://blockexplorer.com/address/1GrYfw3WbYXgtehhfsUp73vkKYNUYELiGF



shanesmith@diskhaven.com <shanesmith@diskhaven.com>    Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:06 PM
To: byronbussey@gmail.com
Byron,

 Your letter arrived today. I don't have the bitcoin on hand. Often
people make orders and don't pay for them so it is difficult to know
what to put aside for mail in orders.

 With the other digital currencies this is seldom a problem, but the
bitcoin price is not stable and there is no reliable well to go draw
more from whenever we like.

 I am endeavoring to get your coins to you, please be patient.
Optionally, you might take Liberty Reserve, which is more price stable,
to the public auctions and negotiate a trade there.

 Your money order is safe in my hands now.

Shane


>
>
> Date ordered:          Sat, April 30, 2011 08:34 am
>
> ORDER INSTRUCTIONS TO BUY $999 CAD WORTH OF Bitcoin PAYING BY CANADA POST
> MONEY ORDER
>
>
> Print this email to enclose with your payment
> or print clearly on a sheet of paper;
> 1) Your email address
> 2) Your account number if applicable
> 3) The name displayed by that account.
> 4) Optionally, your name and telephone number.
>
> Visit any Canada Post location and buy a money order
> in the amount of $ 999 CAD
>
> Make the money order payable to Dimitar Sapountziev.
>
> Be sure to mark the MO with the words; "Re: Phone credits".
> Failure to do so may result in delay.
>
> Affix 59 cents postage for regular first class lettermail.
>
> Optionally you can send it by Xpresspost.
> DO NOT ORDER "SIGNATURE REQUIRED". Doing so may delay your order.
>
> Address your letter to:
>
> SHANE SMITH
> 499 WALLACE ST
> NANAIMO BC  V9R 5B7
> CANADA
>
> Be sure to use a real return address on your letter.
> Your return address is not recorded by Nanaimo Gold and
> your envelope will be promptly destroyed.
>
> Order with confidence. The mail is reliable.
>
> Your Bitcoin account will be funded with $ 999 CAD
> as soon as your letter arrives.
>
> Link to payment type notes;
> http://www.nanaimogold.com/payment_options.php#canada_post_mo
>
> 336.14 BTC @ 2.972
>
> Additional information about this order
> Bitcoin Address:             1GrYfw3WbYXgtehhfsUp73vkKYNUYELiGF
>
> Alternate email:
> Telephone:
>
> If you have made an error, simply make another order.
>
> Use this link if you want to contact me:
> http://www.nanaimogold.com/contact.php
>
> DO NOT REPLY to this email
> Array
> (
>     [currency_type] => CAD
>     [minimum_commission] => 0
>     [same_day_fee] => 8
>     [commission_rate] => 0
>     [money_sign] => $
>     [DGC_type] => Bitcoin
>     [payment_method] => Canada Post money order
>     [btc_sell_rate] => 2.972
>     [your_gold_wanted] => 999
>     [bitcoin_amount] => 336.14
>     [my_commission] => 0
>     [fiat_exchange_fee] => 0
>     [fiat_total] => 999
>     [your_name] =>
>     [your_location] =>
>     [your_telephone_number] =>
>     [your_email_address] => byronbussey@gmail.com
>     [alternate_email_address] =>
>     [your_account_number] => 1GrYfw3WbYXgtehhfsUp73vkKYNUYELiGF
>     [your_account_name] =>
>     [subButton] => Submit
> )
>
> Ordered from IP:       24.84.14.59      Vancouver Canada
>

Byron Bussey <byronbussey@gmail.com>    Mon, May 9, 2011 at 11:31 PM
To: shanesmith@diskhaven.com
Well any idea?  5 days and not a single bitcoin.



Byron
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shanesmith@diskhaven.com <shanesmith@diskhaven.com>    Tue, May 10, 2011 at 2:11 PM
To: Byron Bussey <byronbussey@gmail.com>
Byron,

 I can't cash this. the GD post office won't keep that much cash on hand.
I have been refused several times.

 You should take this thing back to where you bought it and complain.
They should not be writing cheques if they can't back them up.

I am so angry at all the time wasted.

Shane
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Byron Bussey <byronbussey@gmail.com>    Tue, May 10, 2011 at 5:03 PM
To: shanesmith@diskhaven.com
I don't believe you.


BB
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Byron Bussey <byronbussey@gmail.com>    Tue, May 10, 2011 at 7:08 PM
To: shanesmith@diskhaven.com
Anyways now I have to worry about getting robbed let alone being less 330 bitcoins which are now worth 2000 dollars and perhaps vastly more. The 1st story you told me (the true one) is you took my order without actually being able to match it. I suggest you change this policy. Then the lie is a) the PO office wont cash it because they don't have $999, which is ridiculous, (why do you accept MO then) AND b) that is somehow the fault of the issuing Post office. I am pretty sure the issuing post office has nothing do to with how much the local PO has in their till.


BB
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shanesmith@diskhaven.com <shanesmith@diskhaven.com>    Tue, May 10, 2011 at 9:02 PM
To: Byron Bussey <byronbussey@gmail.com>
I have your bitcoins and I paid less for them than I asked you for. In
fact, I bought enough to cover your deal within hours of your letter
arriving.

Your MO is to be deposited to Demi's personal bank account tomorrow. I
just talked him into it. (He's worried about his income tax.) I handed it
back to him while we were at supper. I intended to just trust you to not
stop payment before the paper clears.

Judging from your tone and the ease in which you accuse me, I suppose you
have already stopped payment. Now, I am uncertain what I should do.

Nobody has a magic well to draw more bitcoin from. My available balances
are published right on the buy order form. If you choose to buy something
I don't own - well that's your choice isn't it?

And you can ask the PO about their new policy of keeping no more than $200
in the til. I have been doing this job for years. Until recently they have
usually been able to accommodate me up to about $2000. There is no way I'm
going to accept these things or the MG cheques if I have to put them
through bank accounts.

Anyway, you can check that for yourself. Just call Canada Post.

I'm tired of getting run over from behind. If I can't collect a WU because
it's fucked up, or I can't cash instantly any other pay vector, I'm not
accepting it for bitcoin. You guys can buy LR, which is value pegged to
the USD, then take that to the cash markets like Mt Gox and negotiate your
own best deals.

This whole bitcoin scene is not about commerce, the little bit of biz that
got started has been killed because of this mad rush of greedy fucks all
trying to ass rape the exchangers and merchants. No thanks. Instant trades
only for bitcoin from this day forward. That policy I extend to
bitcoin4cash.com as well. The price is now set when the envelope is
opened.

I may be a lot of things to a lot of people, but "liar" is not one of
them. I resent your accusation and I challenge you to talk to Canada Post
about their new policy. I suggested you complain where you bought it about
their failing to be able to liquidate it on the other end in hopes of
getting the policy changed. Calling me a liar for that is insulting. If
you had asked CP, you would know it to be true.
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Byron Bussey <byronbussey@gmail.com>    Tue, May 10, 2011 at 9:57 PM
To: shanesmith@diskhaven.com
cash the MO and send my bitcoins then.


BB
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Byron Bussey <byronbussey@gmail.com>    Tue, May 10, 2011 at 10:36 PM
To: shanesmith@diskhaven.com
And I will apologize. You have to realize I sent 1000 off to someone I dont know and now I am seemingly getting the run around, so I am suspicious. If I am proven wrong I am sorry.

BB
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Byron Bussey <byronbussey@gmail.com>    Thu, May 12, 2011 at 9:59 PM
To: shanesmith@diskhaven.com
Hello, remember me? Seems like my concerns were completely valid.

BB

[gusti]

Too many repeated coincidences, both cases are very clear.
As market moves against, exchanger is not honouring the trades.
Shame on that. I never did a trade with Nanaimo, and I never will.
-10 

[byronbb]

ByronBB,

If you and Nanaimo take a confrontational stance to these things, you make it harder to get things resolved.

snip


And from that point you guys can move forward. Just my 2c worth.

Do you not notice how it is I that initiates every conversation? After 5 days I ask what the hell is going on and only then he replies with his story. If he had problems he would contact me no? One would think.

[AshleyAshes]

I was really thinking of doing buisness with Nanaimo Gold but now I'm very weary and I'm pretty certian I'll cash out my bitcoins through someone else.  I'm not accusing him of any dishonesty, as I havn't done any buisness with him, but I have my concerns that keep me from doing so.

Firstly, his site and FAQ listed Paypal as a payment option but it's actually locked out.  I contacted him about this, he explained that he no longer had a paypal and I suggested he updated his FAQ then.  ...That was 10 days ago and he hasn't done so.

His price for selling bitcoins seems to be set automatically by some system that checks with the current market places but his price for buying bitcoins seems to be manual.  More importantly, his price seems to have been locked at $5 USD for selling BTC for the last six days and counting.  I contacted him about this and got no response.  I contacted him agian, he said he never got my first attempt, and then asked me what I was asking about.  I had been clear that I was asking about his failure to update prices in my message but I reitterated.  His response on me pointing out that his buying price hasn't changed was a two word email that simply said 'Duly noted!'.  ...He hasn't updated his price since then either.

My concern here is that he is unwilling to invest any effort into keeping his website up to date and this leaves me concerned about how much effort he would place into executing transsactions.  In addition, his prices for buying bitcoins are simply uncompetative, even if this is just a result of his poor upkeep on his website, $5 USD for a bitcoin (At this time of posting) is flat out not worth it.

[byronbb]

In the end he sent me my MO back to me. I went to the PO where I bought it. They issued a refund in the form of a new MO in my name. I crossed the street and Royal Bank honoured the MO instantly without problems.  A terribly irritating experience.

[AshleyAshes]

I'd like to make a clarification to my last price.  Nanaimo Gold's price for buying bitcoins is not manually set and neglected.  It is infact capped at $5 USD.  It adjusts just like his price for selling bitcoins, in a value related to the MtGox rates, but for buying bitcoins from people, it stops adjusting at $5 USD.  So even if the Bitcoin was selling for $50 a piece, he'd only offer you $5 for them as his site currently operates.  I realized this yesterday as the price of the bitcoin fell enough for his site to set a price below $5 and then return to $5 as the value went up agian but no higher.

What I find strange is, when I emailed him about his price for buying bitcoins and pointed out that the price wasn't rising with the current value of the bitcoin, he responded only with 'duly noted'.  He seemed to have no interest in communicating to me that he his set was set to not offer a value higher than $5 USD.  This isn't so much dishonest but poor communication and a desire to leave potential customers in the dark.  However, when the bitcoin is selling for far mor than $5 USD one would hope that potential customers would compare prices and simply go to somewhere else for that kind of service.  Competition benifits the consumer and all that.

This part his mearly conjecture, but I think it's possible that Nanaimo Gold doesn't have enough operating funds to make large purchases of bitcoins at high value.  That, when the bitcoin was selling at $8.999, he flat out couldn't afford to buy them at anything even close to that rate.

[zallon41]

It's unfortunate that this is going to be my first post in this great forum. I'll reserve judgement about what really happened in my case with nanaimo gold, but I bought 21.21 BTC for $15 CAD ($0.7073 CAD/BTC) on April 10th and mailed the cash. The exchange rate skyrocketed in my favour two days later. Here's the curt end of it all:

From:  shanesmith
To:  me   
Date:  Thu, 28 Apr 2011 04:19:38 -0300   
This message is not encrypted, and is not digitally signed.

Your letter has not arrived.

>
> From: me
> Message: Dear Mr. Smith,
>
> It has been over two weeks since my $15 CAD BTC order on April 10th. My
> letter to you was sent April 12th. When will I be receiving my 21.21 BTC
> as agreed upon?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> (me)

From the order form, in Shane's words: "Order with confidence. The mail is reliable."

It's been 42 days.

[eRage]

Seconding what zallon41 said.  It's a pity that my first post must be like this.

Backstory:  Last night, I used to website to send him an email saying I wanted to send him $500 USD for bitcoins and got the confirmation email stating my account is awaiting approval before he gave me bank deposit information.  So this morning I got this email:

Hahaha. Goth.

>
>
> Date ordered:          Wed, May 25, 2011 12:53 am
>
> ORDER INSTRUCTIONS TO BUY $500 USD WORTH OF Bitcoin PAYING BY CASH DEPOSIT
> TO USA BANK
>
> ******** REGULAR 1- 3 DAY SERVICE *********
>
> Your request to deposit cash is being considered. Expect email soon if
> approved.
>
> Amount to deposit:     $505 USD
> Bank Name:             Bank of America
> Routing Number (ABA):  pending
> Bank Address:          pending
> Account Name:          pending
>
> Expect email with further instructions
>
> Payment notes
> http://www.nanaimogold.com/boa_dep.php
>
> AFTER SENDING PAYMENT
>
> A legible cell phone pic, digital camera pic, or scan must be emailed to
> shanesmith@nanaimogold.com before your order can be completed.
>.....

The carroted part is where he forwarded me the confirmation email I already received.  I left off the last half because it just has my personal information.  However, see the part that I bolded?  WTF?  On top of that, his message "Hahaha. Goth." is also really weird.  I assumed he'd been hacked or on drugs or something.  I decided at this point to never give this guy any money.  However, I wanted to see how weird the rabbit hole goes, so to speak.

My reply:

I Cannot understand your last email.  Please explain.
.....

And then his reply(edited out my real name):

[eRage],

Those goth idiots overreacting to your criticism. I find that kind of funny.

Because someone vicious could mess up my bank account, I want to check
people out a bit to be sure they don't have dirty motivations before I
tell them my account name/numbers. Like maybe those goths might do to your
bank account if given a chance.

I need to know that folks I trade with in this way are bright enough to
follow instruction, and to understand that bankers don't like alternate
currencies and that anti-money laundering training has bank tellers
nervous.

It's a common practice for people to settle up with friends in this
fashion, and the banks are happy to accept the deposits. But if the bank
thinks one is collecting business receipts through a personal account they
will insist on opening a commercial account which requires incorporation.
Incorporation comes with a rule set that disallows private currency.

So, if asked, we are friends settling a personal debt. It is important
that we not volunteer the cashier details of what we are doing. We don't
talk of alternate currencies, not mention bitcoin, not say we are
depositing to cover a business transaction. Just a friend settleing a
personal debt. We like doing it this way because it's free of charge, safe
and fast. I can spend the money immediatley. blah blah - big smile. We luv
banksters.

You might be asked for ID, most times not, but if so, there is no reason
for concern. The teller might make a note on my account, but the
transaction on the bank's ledger will not identify you. We are not doing
anything illegal or shifty in any way.

I also want your word, your promise, that you will not tell anyone my bank
account name/numbers.

If you decide this is the right way for you, I want you to make a fresh
order just before you go to the bank. In that way you will get a fresh
price quote. Because of the crazy price swings, I can only honor that
quote until the end of the banking day (when the bank closes in your
town). In this way we are being as fair as we can be to each other.

So [eRage], if you understand this instruction, if you see the need for us
to not share our intentions with the bank, and if you can promise me to
keep my bank info secret, write me back and tell me so. I will add you to
the list of people I will trade with in this way.

cheers!

Shane
.....

I don't what criticism he means, why he'd need my picture, or who the 'goths' are (Germans?/Visigoths?), but I'm touching this place with a 1000 mile pole, or a WU transfer, or a bank deposit, or anything at all. 

I assume by the poor command of English that he got hacked and people are redirecting the funds until he gets control again, but who knows.

[AshleyAshes]

It's unfortunate that this is going to be my first post in this great forum. I'll reserve judgement about what really happened in my case with nanaimo gold, but I bought 21.21 BTC for $15 CAD ($0.7073 CAD/BTC) on April 10th and mailed the cash. The exchange rate skyrocketed in my favour two days later. Here's the curt end of it all:

From:  shanesmith
To:  me   
Date:  Thu, 28 Apr 2011 04:19:38 -0300   
This message is not encrypted, and is not digitally signed.

Your letter has not arrived.

Did you mail him actual cash or a money order or something similar?  With an M/O you'd be able to check to see if it was cashed or not, and if not cashed, you could set out to cancel it and get your money back.

[zallon41]

I weighed the benefit of relative anonymity vs. risk of being ripped off and mailed cash.

[logitech3]

Hello all.

I sent money via post to fund a Pecunix account on the 10th, and like Zallion my letter has yet to arrive. I trust Nanaimo fully and I do not believe he is trying to rip anyone off. It may be that customs is experiencing delays.

I registered however to reply to what eRage said about his experience. I'm not sure I understand the bit about the goths exactly, but his reply seemed pretty clear about him not wanting the banks to get any ideas about trading currencies. I also tried to go the bank route my first time around but the bank details were never sent.. now I understand why. It makes sense, and so far Shane has proven reliable, so I'm withholding judgment for now.

[nanaimogold]

> I crossed the street and Royal Bank honoured the MO instantly without problems.

You had to take the post office money order from the post office to the bank because the PO did not have enough money in their til to cash it. Remember when I told you about that? Remember when you called me a liar? That missing liquidity didn't stop our trade though. It was your ill manner and your breech of our trust when you put this private stuff here for the whole world to see forever. What part of private currency do you not understand? I just made arrangement to run the mo through the bank. When Demi saw the vile shit you wrote and that you posted private emails to the public he went livid. At that point there was no way he was going to cash that through his bank. No Deal. I've changed the policy and do not accept CP MO any longer. If they are not liquid, they are not worth the $5.50 extra charge.

I'm not required to do business with anyone I don't want to. You can't make demands of me and insult me and post private emails to public and expect me to do as you tell me. Fuck off are the only words I have for you. Put the shoe on the other foot. How would you react?

I mailed it back to you. I exercise my right of association. I don't want to trade with you. You fail to afford me the dignity an adult deserves.

AshleyAshes, you never did any trade with me. That I never took you seriously is your problem. It remains your problem.

You just sent me a series of email expressing your observations and making demands that I re-write my faq and to tell me that you don't like my offered price. I responded to all that and even offered to answer questions. The only one I recall you asking was as to why the Paypal payout option was grayed. "I don't have any" was the simple answer. I don't have any. Can't offer what I don't have. No Paypal today, option grayed. Pick some other option.

WE HAVE NO BANANAS TODAY!

My offer is very clear. It is mine to make. If you don't like it, don't accept it. Don't like the site? Don't use it. Maybe looking at it so frequently is making you mad. You say it's misleading, and I can't see that at all. I even use a nice grown up type size. Clearly laid out against other recognized sources of data, all presented in the same value denomination to avoid misleading. Good contrast - no weird colours.  No Ashy boy. You are chock full of it.
https://www.nanaimogold.com/bitcoin.php
nothing misleading anywhere - at least not intentionally. It's a dynamic business and the web site is always changing. Chock full you.

And your naivety is quite amazing. Anyone can Google to find what a sissy furfag you are. Why would anyone take you seriously when you present yourself that way? Especially in a financial transaction? You must have some idea of who and what I am, where I'm from. Why would you even engage me this way? I am not here at your beck and call. I laugh at idiots like you.

You have no complaint. Again I exercise my right of association. You, I don't trade with. STFU

If you Google eRage's name with home city you find a pack of goths hating on him. I thought that was kind of humorous so I used it to start our conversation. I have to engage people in conversation before I can allow them sensitive information. It seems unlikely that a pack of goths hating on oneself would go unnoticed, but I suppose it's possible that another man with the same name in the same town is the object de scorn.

It does not really matter how I open a conversation does it? If I google your name and something funny comes up, why not comment?

This thread is ample reason why I have to feel people out before I can tell them anything. I don't know why it is that you guys think it's acceptable to post secrets in public. Shame on you all. You prove yourselves unworthy of anyone's trust.

I notice eRage deleted his own real name information from his tattle, and you all should note that, because of my respect for privacy, I'm not pasting his real name and city here. You'll just have to take my word about that Google hit with the hateful goths.

I need a picture of the bank receipt, not your face! But no, it's my right to not associate with you either. pfft!

And to re-cap, for anyone who has waded this far through this scat-fest, the original poster discovered that he could snag quoted trades though western union by failing to set all the options correctly and gain a week to see which way the market moves before either paying or refunding. I think he did not do it on purpose, but his post in public describing how inspired a whole bunch of you dishonorable rejects to pull the same stunt. I can no longer accept WU for bitcoin because of such scum. I no longer accept cash by mail for bitcoin. It was a similar game, make the order, get a quote, wait a week to decide if the market was in your favour, then send the payment or not. In all my years trading e-gold and other digital currency, I never had such problems before. People did not wait to see the price of gold move for a week.

Now it seems I'm going to have to screen even harder to select those who can trade with me through my bank accounts. I certainly can't let you privacy hating yiffers know any secrets. Canada post money orders for any digital currency I can no longer accept. That pretty much just leaves trade from other digital currency into or out of bitcoin.

Some of you guys have serious moral and character flaws. To think that it's OK to post obviously secret material in public in an attempt to hurt someone, in this case me, to the inconvenience of all the people using the service, is really inexcusable. I really hope that people who miss these trade opportunities grant you all a bit of goth hate. You certainly deserve it. The topic so common to us all is privacy and encryption, but you clowns have no idea how to keep a secret and you are so selfish that you don't care a bit about the people you harm. And I suppose I'll have to put spam filter on the email address eGoof revealed.

I got a cease order from Western Union about using their marques. I wonder who instigated that? Shameful behavior. Zero honor.

zallon41, I don't know what happened to your letter. I process mail as it arrives. Yours is very late and will probably wind up back in your own hand. That's what my experience has shown. I don't want you to think I assume you're unable to address a letter, but it's surprising how many times people screw it up. Other times, there has been nothing wrong with addressing and is returned for no good reason. I have a large body of experience, and the mail is reliable, but nothing is infallible. I'm sorry that your experience has been bad. It doesn't make sense that I would do anything to sully my good old reputation. I'm glad you only sent small money and not more. You might be pleasantly surprised. If so, please let me know. Take a picture of the envelope for me please. Always interested to know where errant letters have been.

The mail has been very reliable for many years, however, this talk of cash in the mail is contrary to security. The security at my office is ruined because of this forum. I can't risk using my office to receive mail any longer. I've had to change to another more private mailbox, at more expense, in order to protect the secrets better. I now worry that one of these privacy hating bitfags will trick me into revealing it, then post it up in public to spoil it for everyone. How girlish is that? Why am I reduced to asking people to promise to keep secrets before I can do secret trade? You guys just don't get it. Shhh It's a secret.

Not everyone reading these words is a clown, of course. I despair that the clowns may have a majority on this board though, but some of you guys will tell me in private how I am right. People will still use the service to trade with me even though the screening is now lot stricter.

And more people will give up on reading this board, like so many have before.

[zallon41]

>like Zallion my letter has yet to arrive.

logitech3, I take exception to this. You've decided you know where my mail is(n't). That's really self-sacrificing, but even I didn't go that far.

>It was a similar game, make the order, get a quote, wait a week to decide if the market was in your favour.

nanaimogold, I did not ask for a quote. I made an order and mailed the money. See the difference? It's not my fault you're accepting orders for something you don't have.

>And more people will give up on reading this board, like so many have before.

Do you just write like a malignant narcissist or are you a full-blown psychopath? There is nothing wrong with this forum.

[AshleyAshes]

Wow, he attacked my sexuality as being a moral fault and a reason to not do buisness with me...  Or the usage of the term 'Bitfags' to refer to those who want to deal with him in regard to Bitcoins... Just... Just wow.

Nanaimo Gold's personal views asside, I wonder what school of buisness he's following that makes him think that publicly posting comments like that, along with many others, is actually 'good for buisness'.  If anything, he's dramatically added to the loss of his own credibility.

But, Nanaimo Gold, you are right, I didn't do buisness with you.  Why?  Well, asside from the fact that you're a jerk, you're not competative.  $5 USD per Bitcoin when others offer a vastly superior offer at this current time?  Competition benifits the consumer and you simply are not competative, I went with someone else who made a far better offer.  More over, he was a lot more professional and polite, a great bonus.  Infact, I think you'll find that most of the successful operators dealing in bitcoins on this forum are professional and polite.  You might wanna try that.

[nanaimogold]

> nanaimogold, I did not ask for a quote. I made an order and mailed the money. See the difference? It's not my fault you're accepting orders for something you don't have.

I have bitcoin. You have pocket change stuck in the mail. You were quoted a price when you ordered. By your own word you waited a week before deciding to honor the agreement. You business practice is shady.


>> And more people will give up on reading this board, like so many have before.

> Do you just write like a malignant narcissist or are you a full-blown psychopath? There is nothing wrong with this forum.

That makes no sense.

Lots of people have given up on this forum in disgust. Consider the first members, the guys who came from the payments business, primarily the men who worked to invent bitcoin. Where are they now? Not here.

I have heard from dozens of businessmen who shun this place because of the clownery and predatory pederasty. Look at who first offered to trade in bitcoin. Where did all those men go?

Many traders I work with shun not just the forum, but the bitcoin itself because of the nasty self serving perverts who are so vocal here. I find myself having to explain again and again that bitcoin has potential to be a good payment system, not the extention of social disease network that this forum represents.

[nanaimogold]

Wow, he attacked my sexuality as being a moral fault and a reason to not do buisness with me...  Or the usage of the term 'Bitfags' to refer to those who want to deal with him in regard to Bitcoins... Just... Just wow.

Nanaimo Gold's personal views asside, I wonder what school of buisness he's following that makes him think that publicly posting comments like that, along with many others, is actually 'good for buisness'.  If anything, he's dramatically added to the loss of his own credibility.

But, Nanaimo Gold, you are right, I didn't do buisness with you.  Why?  Well, asside from the fact that you're a jerk, you're not competative.  $5 USD per Bitcoin when others offer a vastly superior offer at this current time?  Competition benifits the consumer and you simply are not competative, I went with someone else who made a far better offer.  More over, he was a lot more professional and polite, a great bonus.  Infact, I think you'll find that most of the successful operators dealing in bitcoins on this forum are professional and polite.  You might wanna try that.

You choose to play the sodomite clown - I choose to not take you seriously.

You have no idea how I make my money, otherwise you would not provoke me. Your analysis of my trade is also laughable. Your belief that I want to trade with you, or that it is important that I trade with you is stupid.

Bitcoin is not useful for anything yet. This gaggle of Nancys clawing at each other is not commerce. I will continue to do what I have always done. This forum is only useful in my weeding out idiots not to be taken seriously.

[zallon41]

I have bitcoin. You have pocket change stuck in the mail. You were quoted a price when you ordered. By your own word you waited a week before deciding to honor the agreement. You business practice is shady.

Let me retrieve that for you:

> It has been over two weeks since my $15 CAD BTC order on April 10th. My letter to you was sent April 12th.

It was a similar game, make the order, get a quote, wait a week to decide if the market was in your favour, then send the payment or not.

Did you just craft a statement and attribute it to me?

You also just called one of your customers a fag and then lament "Where did all those men go?" Well, there are currently over 12,000 different people on this forum, most of them don't care about this topic, and you might not like them either. I'd advise against touching cash altogether.