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September 08, 2016, 11:46:02 AM
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Dear Diago,

Thank you very much for your kind questions, let me answer them one by one.

NAV ANON is in no way associated with DASH technology or masternode systems. It currently uses a Gateway to channel through particular transaction , this transaction information is encrypted and channeled through a subchain , where the transaction is then processed and directed to the destination address where the transaction arrives at the destination address in clusters. And there is in no way mixing used in the process where transactions are mixed to obtain an untraceable advantage. For the fact that our model itself is untraceable.

Double encryption is used in the channeling and throughout the entire process.

1. No-mixing - Due to the fact that the model of channeling doesn't require such process.

2. Untraceable - Due to the fact that there won't ever be 1 transaction of the same kind anywhere on the network.

Please do let me know , if you need further clarifications.

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Thanks for the explanation. But my problem stays the same. I do see that the encryption guarantees anonimity. What I do not see is why you need a subchain. If you remove the encryption and work with subchain, then probably you can't do an anonymous transaction. If you do encrypt and remove the subchain, then you will probably still be able to make an anonymous transaction. So actually I don't understand the purpose of the subchain. It sounds cool but at the moment I miss its purpose. Probably there is a good purpose but I don't manage to find it myself Wink

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September 08, 2016, 11:49:38 AM
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Dear Diago,

Thank you very much for your kind questions, let me answer them one by one.

NAV ANON is in no way associated with DASH technology or masternode systems. It currently uses a Gateway to channel through particular transaction , this transaction information is encrypted and channeled through a subchain , where the transaction is then processed and directed to the destination address where the transaction arrives at the destination address in clusters. And there is in no way mixing used in the process where transactions are mixed to obtain an untraceable advantage. For the fact that our model itself is untraceable.

Double encryption is used in the channeling and throughout the entire process.

1. No-mixing - Due to the fact that the model of channeling doesn't require such process.

2. Untraceable - Due to the fact that there won't ever be 1 transaction of the same kind anywhere on the network.

Please do let me know , if you need further clarifications.

Warm Regards,
~SoopY~


Thanks for the explanation. But my problem stays the same. I do see that the encryption guarantees anonimity. What I do not see is why you need a subchain. If you remove the encryption and work with subchain, then probably you can't do an anonymous transaction. If you do encrypt and remove the subchain, then you will probably still be able to make an anonymous transaction. So actually I don't understand the purpose of the subchain. It sounds cool but at the moment I miss its purpose. Probably there is a good purpose but I don't manage to find it myself Wink



It is complicated stuff! I am working on putting together a whitepaper which explains it all in detail. Hopefully this will clear any misunderstandings. I hope to have this finished for publication before we re-launch the anon network!

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September 08, 2016, 11:55:28 AM
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NAV like as EXP in the beginning
see in next year
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September 08, 2016, 11:56:19 AM
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Dear Diago,

Thank you very much for your kind questions, let me answer them one by one.

NAV ANON is in no way associated with DASH technology or masternode systems. It currently uses a Gateway to channel through particular transaction , this transaction information is encrypted and channeled through a subchain , where the transaction is then processed and directed to the destination address where the transaction arrives at the destination address in clusters. And there is in no way mixing used in the process where transactions are mixed to obtain an untraceable advantage. For the fact that our model itself is untraceable.

Double encryption is used in the channeling and throughout the entire process.

1. No-mixing - Due to the fact that the model of channeling doesn't require such process.

2. Untraceable - Due to the fact that there won't ever be 1 transaction of the same kind anywhere on the network.

Please do let me know , if you need further clarifications.

Warm Regards,
~SoopY~


Thanks for the explanation. But my problem stays the same. I do see that the encryption guarantees anonimity. What I do not see is why you need a subchain. If you remove the encryption and work with subchain, then probably you can't do an anonymous transaction. If you do encrypt and remove the subchain, then you will probably still be able to make an anonymous transaction. So actually I don't understand the purpose of the subchain. It sounds cool but at the moment I miss its purpose. Probably there is a good purpose but I don't manage to find it myself Wink



Subchain is what makes NAV , NAV mate. And what it does unique , its an extra layer of security that helps keep transaction information further anonymous and un-linked , it serves its own purpose which is why it does what it does. Nothing on the Anonymous platform is purposeless.

Hope I was able to further address your issues.

Warm Regards,
~SoopY~


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September 08, 2016, 11:57:22 AM
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It is complicated stuff! I am working on putting together a whitepaper which explains it all in detail. Hopefully this will clear any misunderstandings. I hope to have this finished for publication before we re-launch the anon network!
Ok, awesome !!! Can't wait to read it  Smiley
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Subchain is what makes NAV , NAV mate. And what it does unique , its an extra layer of security that helps keep transaction information further anonymous and un-linked , it serves its own purpose which is why it does what it does. Nothing on the Anonymous platform is purposeless.

Hope I was able to further address your issues.

Warm Regards,
~SoopY~


Well, thank you very much for your effort to explain it. But I still didn't get the answer I was looking for. Of course the subchain is what makes NAV NAV. And I know it is unique to NAV. And I know it was added with the purpose of an extra level of security. What I am questioning is whether it does indeed add an extra level of security. I challenged it by questioning whether if the encryption is removed, the subchain does add an extra level of security. If I send 9.345 NAV to the subchain in a nonencrypted way, and a few seconds later the subchain sends 9.345 NAV to receiver B in a nonencrypted way ... it is obvious who sent that amount to the receiver.

The only thing I can come up with ... if I send anonymous from A to B without a subchain, then maybe the traffic can be linked from A to B, but nobody knows how much money is transferred between both. When you send it to a subchain, money comes in and out the subchain so you can't follow the traffic anymore. The only thing you can do is base yourself on timestamps. But if the coin is used a lot, then it is impossible to trace back.

But OK. Pakage just told me he will explain it in his whitepaper. Maybe then it will be more clear to me what benefit the subchain adds to the anonimity process.

Sorry for asking so many questions. I don't want to be a pain in the ass. I am just trying to understand how things work out of pure intrest. And as I have not much knowledge about cryptography, I need to ask some detailed questions if I truely want to understand stuff.
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September 08, 2016, 12:10:51 PM
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The dump happened while I was at work and didn't get out at the top, but managed to still make some very nice gains. Grin Now hoping for 50 or 60 so I can rebuild my stash and hold. Thanks NAV team!

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September 08, 2016, 12:58:45 PM
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Subchain is what makes NAV , NAV mate. And what it does unique , its an extra layer of security that helps keep transaction information further anonymous and un-linked , it serves its own purpose which is why it does what it does. Nothing on the Anonymous platform is purposeless.

Hope I was able to further address your issues.

Warm Regards,
~SoopY~


Well, thank you very much for your effort to explain it. But I still didn't get the answer I was looking for. Of course the subchain is what makes NAV NAV. And I know it is unique to NAV. And I know it was added with the purpose of an extra level of security. What I am questioning is whether it does indeed add an extra level of security. I challenged it by questioning whether if the encryption is removed, the subchain does add an extra level of security. If I send 9.345 NAV to the subchain in a nonencrypted way, and a few seconds later the subchain sends 9.345 NAV to receiver B in a nonencrypted way ... it is obvious who sent that amount to the receiver.

The only thing I can come up with ... if I send anonymous from A to B without a subchain, then maybe the traffic can be linked from A to B, but nobody knows how much money is transferred between both. When you send it to a subchain, money comes in and out the subchain so you can't follow the traffic anymore. The only thing you can do is base yourself on timestamps. But if the coin is used a lot, then it is impossible to trace back.

But OK. Pakage just told me he will explain it in his whitepaper. Maybe then it will be more clear to me what benefit the subchain adds to the anonimity process.

Sorry for asking so many questions. I don't want to be a pain in the ass. I am just trying to understand how things work out of pure intrest. And as I have not much knowledge about cryptography, I need to ask some detailed questions if I truely want to understand stuff.

Hi Diego,

Haha its alright mate , please do ask whatever you feel that you want to clear out with regards to how NAV works and the process.

Let me ask you a counter question , because I believe it will give you further insight on how NAV works. Smiley

Have you used the NAV ANON yet , as in have you sent or received any transaction using it? If you did I'm sure all your doubts would vanish. Smiley

Warm Regards,
~SoopY~

PS: I'm happy people ask questions on things that they would like to further understand and I love to answer them.

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September 08, 2016, 01:51:02 PM
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hehe nice that people get interested into how anon works.

Just beside:

"If I send 9.345 NAV to the subchain in a nonencrypted way"  

There is no way sending it nonencrypted. Every subchain node receiving a non encrypted or wrong encrypted data, will directly cancell the process and return the coins to the senders address.  Smiley No encryption is like a invalid tx for the node!
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September 08, 2016, 01:59:03 PM
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WOW, Thanks Shahim,

As I watch your explanations, I too am learning  Grin

I especially like:

"For the fact that our model itself is untraceable."

&

"wrong encrypted data, will directly cancel the process and return the coins to the senders address.  Smiley "

THESE are the (as I understand it), the main purpose of a crypto currency.

Thanks again,
Ed, aka-mcptrman





hehe nice that people get interested into how anon works.

Just beside:

"If I send 9.345 NAV to the subchain in a nonencrypted way"  

There is no way sending it nonencrypted. Every subchain node receiving a non encrypted or wrong encrypted data, will directly cancell the process and return the coins to the senders address.  Smiley No encryption is like a invalid tx for the node!
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September 08, 2016, 01:59:50 PM
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Basic as Possible -

Remember there is a separate Pool of coins inside the NAV Subchain . Your NAV Wallet coins and the traded coins on Exchanges are what we see and deal with on a daily basis .

Inside the NAV Subchain sits a pool of coins that will remain inside the NAV Subchain for Eternity.

So when you send your coins from your Home PC NAV Wallet by selecting the NAV Anonymous button . The NAV coins leaves your wallet , are sent and encrypted and reach the NAV Subchain . The coins inside the NAV Subchain react to the original sent encrypted coins and encrypt again its pool of coins of equal value and split the coins into chunks of different sizes to send . The Subchain now holding coins that can not be linked to the original sent NAV coins are sent to the NAV destination wallet. Double Encrypted

The Transactor -The NAV Subchain talks to the sending NAV wallet and talks to the NAV receiving wallet.

The sending and receiving NAV coins have gone via the Double Encryption split into various amounts and arrive at the destination wallet with required amount.

When you do not choose the NAV Anonymous option in the wallet before sending - The coins are sent normally without encryption and arrive at destination wallet

If you tried to trace the coins back . The NAV Subchain has received encrypted original coins and replaced them with its own pool of coins which you would remember have been encrypted again.

There is no direct link between the original coins and the coins arriving at the destination address

The NAV Subchain is totally unique to the NAV Coin

Basic as possible - hope it helps

The anonymous sending is as simple & easy as ticking the Anonymous option . The system does the rest.






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September 08, 2016, 02:05:52 PM
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Too many fake hypers on trollbox?  Huh

what is happening?

thought this was a legit coin  Sad
 
turns out to be another dev scamcoin  Sad

Pump and Dump premine again  Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry

Awww Dranster , we have no control over markets my love. Tongue

Warm Regards,
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PS: For your lovely information , there was never a premine for  NavCoin. #talkwithfacts.

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September 08, 2016, 02:09:05 PM
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Too many fake hypers on trollbox?  Huh

what is happening?

thought this was a legit coin  Sad
 
turns out to be another dev scamcoin  Sad

Pump and Dump premine again  Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry

Lets knock down your criticism. The coin has 0 premine.

A press release - NAV Coin Releases World’s First X13 Mobile Wallet

You can not copy a world first

http://www.coindesk.com/press-releases/nav-coin-goes-live-pos-online-wallet/
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September 08, 2016, 02:10:32 PM
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dranster just won a place on the delete bot list!

edit: sorry mate, but you are creating new threads with false fake information, just to insecure users and you are calling us a scamcoin!
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September 08, 2016, 02:10:47 PM
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Too many fake hypers on trollbox?  Huh

what is happening?

thought this was a legit coin  Sad
 
turns out to be another dev scamcoin  Sad

Pump and Dump premine again  Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry

Awww Dranster , we have no control over markets my love. Tongue

Warm Regards,
~SoopY~

PS: For your lovely information , there was never a premine for  NavCoin. #talkwithfacts.

i like nav it made my day , what 's comes down must go up

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September 08, 2016, 02:17:29 PM
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dranster just won a place on the delete bot list!

edit: sorry mate, but you are creating new threads with false fake information, just to insecure users and you are calling us a scamcoin!

danster, the price is at 9500 and climbing  Grin Grin buy back while you still can LOL, what a dick you are hahhaa

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September 08, 2016, 02:18:43 PM
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dranster just won a place on the delete bot list!

edit: sorry mate, but you are creating new threads with false fake information, just to insecure users and you are calling us a scamcoin!

danster, the price is at 9500 and climbing  Grin Grin buy back while you still can LOL, what a dick you are hahhaa

I like your avatar text Smiley *smile*
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dranster just won a place on the delete bot list!

edit: sorry mate, but you are creating new threads with false fake information, just to insecure users and you are calling us a scamcoin!

danster, the price is at 9500 and climbing  Grin Grin buy back while you still can LOL, what a dick you are hahhaa
price must drop again, we cant take a rocket
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September 08, 2016, 03:04:17 PM
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100% in NAV  Grin
New article at Coindesk -  http://www.coindesk.com/press-releases/nav-coin-updates-anonymous-network/ 

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September 08, 2016, 04:11:20 PM
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PS: For your lovely information , there was never a premine for  NavCoin. #talkwithfacts.[/b]
So it is not premined ? Do you know Adam Meister, this guy with his Bitcoin channel ? He told me in the comments that NAV is premined. So he is wrong ?

EDIT: I think I know why he thinks it is premined. Look on coinmarketcap

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/nav-coin/

It doesn't say it is mineable. If you look at Bitcoin, then it is indicated that it is mineable.

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/

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