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March 11, 2012, 01:27:54 AM
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What do you mean ?

Your site shows a list of withdrawal requests, and yet you claim you don't have a list of withdrawals.

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March 11, 2012, 01:28:21 AM
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I said withdrawals will be processed, didn't you get this ? read back the thread. We will reconstruct the table and process the withdrawals.

Well gosh, I can't imagine why he might think you're full of shit.

Or to put it more simply, actions speak louder than words, and your actions scream scammer.

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March 11, 2012, 01:31:31 AM
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I will explain you guys. The way bitscalper keeps track of user balances is by subtracting the total withdrawals from the user sub-balance in the wallet. So the withdrawal table is gone and it's hard reconstruct how much each user withdrew already without some collaboration from their side. The current withdrawal list could contain easily withdrawal requests exceeding the real user balances and we cannot process them blindly. I hope it's clear enough.
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March 11, 2012, 01:33:08 AM
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I will explain you guys. The way bitscalper keeps track of user balances is by subtracting the total withdrawals from the user sub-balance in the wallet. So the withdrawal table is gone and it's hard reconstruct how much each user withdrew already without some collaboration from their side. The current withdrawal list could contain easily withdrawal requests exceeding the real user balances and we cannot process them blindly. I hope it's clear enough.

No. That only clears up one thing that we already knew:

You're incompetent.

Just give them their sub-balance back, idiot.

If by some insane system of horrible accounting on your part you lose some money, call it a "stupid fee" for not being a professional.

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March 11, 2012, 01:34:54 AM
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I said withdrawals will be processed, didn't you get this ? read back the thread. We will reconstruct the table and process the withdrawals.

Well gosh, I can't imagine why he might think you're full of shit.

Or to put it more simply, actions speak louder than words, and your actions scream scammer.


I don't approve the fact that an user flagged as "Global Moderator" on this forum uses such a language. It feels decadent. Please go ahead and remove the scammer flag from my account now. Thanks.
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March 11, 2012, 01:37:48 AM
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I will explain you guys. The way bitscalper keeps track of user balances is by subtracting the total withdrawals from the user sub-balance in the wallet. So the withdrawal table is gone and it's hard reconstruct how much each user withdrew already without some collaboration from their side. The current withdrawal list could contain easily withdrawal requests exceeding the real user balances and we cannot process them blindly. I hope it's clear enough.

No. That only clears up one thing that we already knew:

You're incompetent.

Just give them their sub-balance back, idiot.

If by some insane system of horrible accounting on your part you lose some money, call it a "stupid fee" for not being a professional.

Calm up your hot head and go talk like that to someone else. I will do the right thing without your helpless consulting. Go check your ego mania.
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March 11, 2012, 01:43:12 AM
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I said withdrawals will be processed, didn't you get this ? read back the thread. We will reconstruct the table and process the withdrawals.

Well gosh, I can't imagine why he might think you're full of shit.

Or to put it more simply, actions speak louder than words, and your actions scream scammer.


I don't approve the fact that an user flagged as "Global Moderator" on this forum uses such a language. It feels decadent. Please go ahead and remove the scammer flag from my account now. Thanks.

Nobody cares what some random scammer approves of. It'll be removed when you stop being a scamming piece of shit. Of course I'm sure it won't take long after that before you "accidentally" lose records again.   Roll Eyes

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March 11, 2012, 01:46:33 AM
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I said withdrawals will be processed, didn't you get this ? read back the thread. We will reconstruct the table and process the withdrawals.

Well gosh, I can't imagine why he might think you're full of shit.

Or to put it more simply, actions speak louder than words, and your actions scream scammer.


I don't approve the fact that an user flagged as "Global Moderator" on this forum uses such a language. It feels decadent. Please go ahead and remove the scammer flag from my account now. Thanks.

Nobody cares what some random scammer approves of. It'll be removed when you stop being a scamming piece of shit. Of course I'm sure it won't take long after that before you "accidentally" lose records again.   Roll Eyes

You are very rude my dear BadBear. The piece of shit is you talking like this honestly Smiley
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March 11, 2012, 01:50:27 AM
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I said withdrawals will be processed, didn't you get this ? read back the thread. We will reconstruct the table and process the withdrawals.

Well gosh, I can't imagine why he might think you're full of shit.

Or to put it more simply, actions speak louder than words, and your actions scream scammer.


I don't approve the fact that an user flagged as "Global Moderator" on this forum uses such a language. It feels decadent. Please go ahead and remove the scammer flag from my account now. Thanks.

Nobody cares what some random scammer approves of. It'll be removed when you stop being a scamming piece of shit. Of course I'm sure it won't take long after that before you "accidentally" lose records again.   Roll Eyes

You are very rude my dear BadBear. The piece of shit is you talking like this honestly Smiley

Rude is taking people's money in a ponzi scheme then disappearing for a month with no updates, also something a piece of shit would do. 

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March 11, 2012, 01:53:02 AM
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I said withdrawals will be processed, didn't you get this ? read back the thread. We will reconstruct the table and process the withdrawals.

Well gosh, I can't imagine why he might think you're full of shit.

Or to put it more simply, actions speak louder than words, and your actions scream scammer.


I don't approve the fact that an user flagged as "Global Moderator" on this forum uses such a language. It feels decadent. Please go ahead and remove the scammer flag from my account now. Thanks.

Nobody cares what some random scammer approves of. It'll be removed when you stop being a scamming piece of shit. Of course I'm sure it won't take long after that before you "accidentally" lose records again.   Roll Eyes

You are very rude my dear BadBear. The piece of shit is you talking like this honestly Smiley

Rude is taking people's money in a ponzi scheme then disappearing for a month with no updates, also something a piece of shit would do. 

I did give updates on our site and in the forum. Anyway, you will have to eat your words when every genuine withdrawal will be processed.
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March 11, 2012, 06:12:33 AM
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I did give updates on our site and in the forum. Anyway, you will have to eat your words when every genuine withdrawal will be processed.

Let's hope so.

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March 11, 2012, 06:45:40 AM
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I have requested a reimbursement and have submitted all the deposit and withdrawal info that I had. I will update this thread if any coins are sent back to me.
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March 11, 2012, 06:58:33 AM
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I have requested a reimbursement and have submitted all the deposit and withdrawal info that I had. I will update this thread if any coins are sent back to me.

Me too.

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March 11, 2012, 06:59:29 AM
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People who already made their withdrawal are not going to come here and give account.  For this to work you would need a record of every withdrawal.  I don't think you thought this through.
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March 11, 2012, 07:02:10 AM
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This isn't going to go anywhere.

Bitscalper, you're through here. I strongly suggest that you stop what you're doing, and understand that any new / 2.0 Bitscalper application is simply not going to be

1. Used or..
2. Allowed to be advertised here without significant backlash from the community, no matter what corner of the forum you are in.


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March 11, 2012, 09:35:47 AM
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Matthew seems to have cut directly to the simple straightforward solution, if there was a wallet "account" per user. Just send back to each user what is in their wallet-account. It doesn't matter how many withdrawals, or when, they did to reach the current amount they have left, what matters is getting back to them what they do have left.

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March 11, 2012, 09:47:29 AM
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Guys,
I'm sorry things are taking this long. We are still trying to recover the lost withdrawals database table, and it seems there's no way to get it back. So we'll try to recover the whole accounting this way :  Please send an email to info@bitscalper.com with the amount you claim you had left to widthdraw, including a list of all your deposits to bitscalper, once we have figured out how much we owe to anyone we will proceed to reimbursements.  Anyhow we're back to business with a powerful new strategy and we'll update the website in the next few days.
 

Nice to hear from you again Bitscalper.
From what you wrote, I understood that you have a lot of problems and need the help of the users. Shit can happen. But it's important how to handle it.
And to be fully honestly, I don't like the way how you handle trouble. There was over 1 month nearly zero-information, no emails were answered etc.
It had looked like scam, and it is still looking like scam until you proof the opposite.

It still looks like you try to play out, to win more time.
If I would be you I would do the following:
- Update my website with the same request for deposit/withdraw data like here in the forum.
- I would clearly communicate my plan how to fix the trouble, step by step and including all time-deadlines. So everyone can review if I'm following what I have sad.
- I would answer emails and give a short daily processing status.

I'm not sure how all of this ends. Most users are now sending you the requested data. Do you need feedback from ALL user to do the reconstruction? How long will you wait for user feedback? What will happen if not everyone is giving you feedback, what is most likely. What will happen if some users are not reporting correct data?  What will happen if the result of your reconstruction is still not matching with what you expect? When will you start the reconstruction and when will it end? After the reconstruction is finished, what will happen next? Do you transfer the balance to the new system or do you pay it out? And if you plan to pay it out, why didn't you also request a bitcoin address?

I'm very sorry to say this, but it looks still like scam or a VERY, VERY unprofessional way to handle the whole thing to me.  
Even if it's only the second case, I would be surprised to see it ending happy.  

Good luck!
 
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March 11, 2012, 10:09:21 AM
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I will explain you guys. The way bitscalper keeps track of user balances is by subtracting the total withdrawals from the user sub-balance in the wallet. So the withdrawal table is gone and it's hard reconstruct how much each user withdrew already without some collaboration from their side. The current withdrawal list could contain easily withdrawal requests exceeding the real user balances and we cannot process them blindly. I hope it's clear enough.

I know at least one reason why the current withdrawal list could exceed the real user balances.
When you did a withdrawal request on your site and pressed the final button it normally took a few seconds until a pop-up window confirmed the withdrawal request.
In the past I could monitor that sometimes the pop-up window doesn't appear, even after over 1 minute. So you did the withdrawal request again, until you got the confirmation.
The strange thing was, that if you visited your site after a while again, all withdrawal requests (also the unconfirmed ones) were in processing state.
Depending on your balance before, your current balance could be negative!

Let's say you had 10BTC balance and try to send a withdraw request for them. It failed 2 times, but finally you got the confirmation.
Your balance is then -20 BTC, and you can see 3 withdrawal requests in the current list, each over 10 BTC.

You can see this effect by reviewing the current withdrawal request list for requests with exactly the same amount of BTC's in a raw. It happened a lot.

Why didn't you just cancel the current withdrawal request list, like you have done before, so the user balances are correct again. And fix this bug, or just process the withdrawal requests per eMail manually?
 
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March 11, 2012, 10:11:49 AM
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Guys,
I'm sorry things are taking this long. We are still trying to recover the lost withdrawals database table, and it seems there's no way to get it back. So we'll try to recover the whole accounting this way :  Please send an email to info@bitscalper.com with the amount you claim you had left to widthdraw, including a list of all your deposits to bitscalper, once we have figured out how much we owe to anyone we will proceed to reimbursements.  Anyhow we're back to business with a powerful new strategy and we'll update the website in the next few days.
 

How will you know if someone is telling you the truth?

Introducing constraints to the economy only serves to limit what can be economical.
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March 11, 2012, 10:13:48 AM
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Guys,
I'm sorry things are taking this long. We are still trying to recover the lost withdrawals database table, and it seems there's no way to get it back. So we'll try to recover the whole accounting this way :  Please send an email to info@bitscalper.com with the amount you claim you had left to widthdraw, including a list of all your deposits to bitscalper, once we have figured out how much we owe to anyone we will proceed to reimbursements.  Anyhow we're back to business with a powerful new strategy and we'll update the website in the next few days.
 

How will you know if someone is telling you the truth?

Bingo.

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