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July 08, 2014, 06:30:05 PM
Last edit: July 08, 2014, 06:42:14 PM by astrochicken
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F#ck f#ck f#ck


http://www.quoka.de/alles-moegliche/alles-moegliche/c0100a130776430/32-bitcoins-verkaufen.html


I just fell prey to a scammer and blew $3000.. i could kick myself in the arse all f#cking day.


I got copies of his ID, i checked through my bank that the ID and bank account match..
and then payed half up front... (the last time i got scammed was buying licorice on the street in amsterdam back in 1992)

Criminal charges were filed today.

What i've subsequently found out and really amazed me, is that the guy on the ID that i recieved (and whose bank account i wired money too)
was scammed 3 weeks ago, selling a computer on ebay. (the untrusting seller (ie.scammer) wanted a copy of his ID before sending a laptop.
So the scammer then used the other scammed person's ID (who paid but recieved no laptop but someone else's ID photocopy )  to open a bank account (i didn't even know you could do that with a photocopy), so i've been trying to find the wrong person for the last week.

How many layers does the onion have?

F#ck, f#ck, f#ck


Arrgghgh.. great, so asides from a few thousand faucet satoshis..my venture into the bitcoin world has been an unmitigated disaster!!
Fuck.

Be carefull out there folks.
I'm going to go and kick myself some more.

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July 08, 2014, 09:05:27 PM
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Sorry to hear that you were scammed.

Do you have any proof that you'd be willing to share with the community?

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July 08, 2014, 10:22:11 PM
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it could be fake info you have, im sure the scammer is not going to give sensitive info if you got scammed

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July 09, 2014, 12:56:44 PM
Last edit: July 20, 2019, 09:18:00 AM by astrochicken
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Hiya,



I was scammed for €2500 (my rough 'guesstimate' was $3000..the exact exchange rate is of no interest as i haven't been to the states since 2000)  through offering to buy the bitcoins through a small add on  the quoka.de website.

I'm just back from the police station where i gave them copies of all my email transcripts,
the form that i got from the bank proving that the name and account# conincide,
and the deposit slip for the €2500.

I, personally, never recieved the scammers real name directly as i've been trying to find the wrong person on google
and it appears through talking with Scammed#1 that i was #2 on the list.

Chronology as follows:

Scammer      ->svk**007@gmail.com  / Steven P**k*rt / spcc*.c*.*k
Scammed#1  ->The person i thought was scamming me but had allready been scammed
Scammed#2  -> Me


Scammed#1 gets an offer from Scammer to buy laptops he's offering (but claims to want proof that Scammed#1 is not a scammer)
So he request a photocopy of Scammed#1's ID and sends a copy of his own Scammer-ID (this seems too stupid to be true but read on nonetheless)
Scammed#1 sends the laptops and recieves no money but chases the scammer for 3 weeks before the scammer promises
to return the laptops.  He sends back an empty box and subsequently claims he was playing a practical joke on his friend and the boxes got mixed up.. "but the money or the laptops will be there next week when he's back in the country". More delays and excuses...

In the meantime.. i offer to buy bitcoins thus becoming Scammed#2


The Scammer sends me a copy of Scammed#1's ID (with which he has opened a bank account which i have verified through my bank, so i
send him 50%. (€2500)
3 Weeks of emails ensue..with excuses "i'm in london", "my laptop crashed", "next week", "i'll do it tomorrow", "really busy, sorry" etc. etc.


By now i'm getting worried and start searching the net for all variations of possible nicknames, date of births for Scammed#1's ID (who i still believe to be the person that has scammed me!!!) and find in archive.org a refererence to an ex-employer..several phone calls later i've found the current employer and a real email address/phone#  for Scammed#1.

I phone him up and ask where are my f#cking bitcoins.. he doesn't even know what bitcoins are and is absolutely shocked that someone can
open up a bank account in his name with a photocopy of his ID.  Now, things start to click and he tells me the story about the unpaid laptops and forwards all his correspondence with "steven piekert".

So now we have as fact:  A "Steven Piekert" using a photocopy of someone else's ID to open a bank account and scam me.
This has only come out through my googling and phoning my way through multiple people to finally find that the person that i thought was
the scammer is in fact Scammed#1.

As to why the Scammer was so stupid as to send copies of his own ID to Scammed#1 is pure conjecture on my part but
when i was at the police station today he let me look over his shoulder at all the prior convictions (of "St*v*n Pi*k*rt"!!) and the fact that
he was in prison (for fraud)  from 2011 untill March of 2014.

So it may well be that he now that he's back out, he was just starting to get back to his old ways and we were the first 2 people he scammed which is why he only had one photocopy of an ID and he most certainly didn't expect that his two ongoing scams (Scammed#1 & Scammed#2) would get in touch whilst the scams were ongoing.

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July 09, 2014, 01:11:19 PM
Last edit: July 09, 2014, 01:21:32 PM by astrochicken
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Copy of emails are not accepted by any court (i guess) because it can be easy faked ..

But i wish you good luck in recovering your cash


I have all the original copies with intact headers to prove that he used one computer in germany and the same android smartphone
once in germany and once in the UK. I'm not even going to pretend to believe that i think the police will achieve anything.. i mean
if they were to wander in to his house i'm sure they'd find the missing laptops and the same smartphone used to send me emails from germany
and britain. Get the IP's and times from the relevant  ISPs (skybroadband and alicedsl) and then it's proven that those devices where used.
The Police would most likely  even find bank statements under the name of scammed#1 but more than likely the scammer will have moved on before the police even get around to knocking at his door.


Now, there are two ongoing criminal charges (strafanzeigen) filed by Scammed#1 and mine Scammed#2

Recovering the cash is only possible through a civil action (zivilklage) and even then, assuming i waste the money to prove
that's he's guilty what realistic chances do i have of getting money back.. i could get a title and have the court deduct his wages etc.
but after seeing his history on the computer screen at the police station i doubt an honest job is what this man will be seeking.

Yeah..so that was that.. i thought i'd spend €5000 and buy my first ever bitcoins and instead it was a fucking disaster and
i've lost €2500 and still don't have a bitcoin to my name.

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July 10, 2014, 12:10:37 AM
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You sure scammed #1 isn't just the scammer faking it ?

this is pretty hard to read so early in the morning so some reason :/

sucks though that you did you due diligence. If someone is making bank accounts with another persons details I'm sure the bank / police will be most interested in helping you.

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July 10, 2014, 07:40:09 AM
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You sure scammed #1 isn't just the scammer faking it ?

this is pretty hard to read so early in the morning so some reason :/

sucks though that you did you due diligence. If someone is making bank accounts with another persons details I'm sure the bank / police will be most interested in helping you.



Hiya Justin,

That was my initial thought, but scammed#1 and I have been on the phone and sending email transcipts and images
back and forth.. Scammed#1 lives approximately 500km away (i phoned him @ home) but through the details of his
scam (remember he sent 3 laptops to *an* address) which match the same town where his ID was used to open
the bank account where  i transferred my cash. Then there's the name on the package which pops up on the
police registrar for fraud and prior convictions. I just think the scammer is fresh out of prison and we were the
first two people he scammed (before he managed to amass a collection of fake ID's) and through the internet
we were able to get in touch whilst both scams were ongoing.

The police are fascinated.. this is the kind of stuff they themselves love doing, unpeeling onion skins, otherwise their job most likely sucks.
Still, even if the police do get a conviction.. the money is gone and can only be returned (if at all) through a costly civil action.
The Scammer gets caught, goes back to prison and i'm still skint.
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July 10, 2014, 06:30:55 PM
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happens.  been scammed by a couple pigs on this forum too.
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January 30, 2015, 10:22:57 AM
Last edit: January 30, 2015, 12:59:26 PM by astrochicken
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Just thought i'd update on this scam.

I reported it to the police back in July 2014 and it struggled it's away through the german court system for the last 6 months.

I got post from the court this week (Jan 2015) that the proceedings have been closed as:

a. as the scammer used his girlfriend's bank account and there is no way to prove her involvement, so i'd have to
go after her in a civil case.
b. a continuation of my proceedings would have little impact on the sentence of the scammer.

That last sentence, got me wondering, so i subsequently went a googling and found that the same scammer had attempted
to sell some stolen consumer electronics over the internet to the person he'd just stolen them from the previous week.
The confrontation resulted in attempted manslaughter. :O   (i'm kind of glad that i never found out the guys's address and paid him a visit!!)

German orginal: http://www.haz.de/Hannover/Aus-der-Region/Pattensen/Nachrichten/Polizei-sucht-fluechtigen-Messerstecher-aus-Haste

English Translation: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.haz.de%2FHannover%2FAus-der-Region%2FPattensen%2FNachrichten%2FPolizei-sucht-fluechtigen-Messerstecher-aus-Haste&edit-text=&act=url


So, i've  *lost* €2500.

Fuck, Fuck, Fuck, Fuck,Fuck

If anyone should feel compelled to make a donation which will make me feel better, and you warm and fuzzy,
then by all means.. i'd really appreciate it.
Thanks and be carefull out there.
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February 05, 2015, 01:54:05 AM
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well you should never attempt to mess with a scammer 95 percent of them are armed and dangerous, if you try to convict the. you can get yourself killed.
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February 05, 2015, 08:14:18 AM
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well you should never attempt to mess with a scammer 95 percent of them are armed and dangerous, if you try to convict the. you can get yourself killed.

Well, that is why we paying the salaries of law enforcement agencies to handle this for us.

You can hire some private companies for some protection too.  Wink The only thing you should not do, is to leave it, and let them get away with it.  Angry

They start small, and gets away with it, and then it just grow bigger and bigger, until someone DIE and then it's too late.

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February 05, 2015, 11:03:56 PM
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That's some crazy ish.

And you'll work your 3K back up in no time. Don't sweat a thing!

As for this guy, he's going back to prison for a longer time now.

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February 28, 2015, 02:41:55 PM
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Yep, seeing as he's allready been done twice for fraud and now with the additional attempted manslaughter, he should
be out of the picture for a good 10 years at least.

I suppose it should make me feel better, that he got caught.. would have been nice to get my €2500 back though.

Ah well, live and learn.
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February 28, 2015, 05:49:00 PM
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$3,000 is a shit ton of money, like 1 month pay saved gone.

Take it as a expensive lesson, and see ways to make up for the loss? you can go sell stuff on ebay on small priced items that eventually add up.

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well you should never attempt to mess with a scammer 95 percent of them are armed and dangerous, if you try to convict the. you can get yourself killed.

ROFL

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$3,000 is a shit ton of money, like 1 month pay saved gone.

Take it as a expensive lesson, and see ways to make up for the loss? you can go sell stuff on ebay on small priced items that eventually add up.


Yep. It's alot. (for me at least)
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March 07, 2015, 11:16:26 PM
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Wow, $3,000.

The situation is quite confusing to me though. Why's there two victims and you thought another victim is the scammer?

Too complicated....
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March 07, 2015, 11:27:35 PM
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well you should never attempt to mess with a scammer 95 percent of them are armed and dangerous, if you try to convict the. you can get yourself killed.

Fact: 95 percent of scammers can't achieve a legitimate erection. But there are pills for that now.

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March 09, 2015, 12:14:41 AM
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Wow, $3,000.

The situation is quite confusing to me though. Why's there two victims and you thought another victim is the scammer?

Too complicated....

Its not complicated if u read through what he wrote, the guy that scammed him used ID from another person that he scammed before OP,
and that's why OP thought that he was the scammer. Later he found out what happened to 1st victim and now theyre both suing scammer for what he did.
I hope you get your justice op, one can never be too careful.

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I hope you get your justice op, one can never be too careful.

cheers

Cheers ajareselde

The Proceedings worked their way through the courts and have been closed as a conviction
for the fraud would have had next-to-none or little impacht on his sentencing (for attempted murder).

Sucks.. but such is life. Sometimes.
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