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February 14, 2016, 12:46:51 AM
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You guys outta be ashamed of yourselves for bringing your filth in this thread.  My players are wondering what is going on with the 3 trolls.  I provide the best EXTRA rakeback out there.  I relay what I am told to you guys.  It's simple as that.

It's like you're saying the government is corrupt, therefore that government employee is also corrupt.  Stop it and get a life, the 3 of you trolls.

Was I the one that caused a programming bug that increased the rake?  Did I play a part in that?  Do you want me to end this service?
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February 14, 2016, 03:28:56 AM
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You guys outta be ashamed of yourselves for bringing your filth in this thread.  My players are wondering what is going on with the 3 trolls.  I provide the best EXTRA rakeback out there.  I relay what I am told to you guys.  It's simple as that.

It's like you're saying the government is corrupt, therefore that government employee is also corrupt.  Stop it and get a life, the 3 of you trolls.

Was I the one that caused a programming bug that increased the rake?  Did I play a part in that?  Do you want me to end this service?

You "outta" be ashamed of yourself for being Betcoin's bitch boy. 

You just said it yourself: "I only relay what I am told".  Why not do your own investigations?  Why not support your players?  Why are you trusting what an unethical, shady company is telling you over what your players are asking of you?

If players who trusted you to be their advocate are asking you why you haven't fought for them to get their stolen money back GOOD FOR THEM!  Although we all know that that's a lie, you're just feeling the heat of public outrage and trying to take the heat off of yourself.  "If you guys don't stop asking questions about stolen money, I'm going to leave!"  Stay.  Work for the players.  Do an investigation about how much money was stolen by overraking.  Work to get that money repaid.
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February 14, 2016, 04:47:05 AM
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It's like you're saying the government is corrupt, therefore that government employee is also corrupt.
 

You're on the right track here, but not quite.  It's more like I'm saying the government is VERY corrupt, and you're an advocate for the people who gets paid to tell the people that the Government is barely corrupt at all.  (which makes you corrupt )


You guys outta be ashamed of yourselves for bringing your filth in this thread.  My players are wondering what is going on with the 3 trolls.  I provide the best EXTRA rakeback out there.  I relay what I am told to you guys.  It's simple as that.

Betcoin pays you a higher commission than other affiliates earn even at the top tier.  Why would they do this?

What do you do that sets you aside from other affiliates?  I can think of only one thing:  You established yourself as a trusted "players advocate" here on Betcoin talk.

One of the good guys, with a good reputation.  Remember?  

You said so yourself:

yes, I'm certainly an advocate for the players

You're not though.

You tell your players what bitcoin wants them to be told.  Sometimes it's the truth, sometimes it's not, who cares though, you're just an affiliate right?

I relay what I am told to you guys.  It's simple as that.
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Normal affiliates can earn up to 50% of their players Casino Losses, 35% of Sports Losses, 20% of Dice Losses and 40% of the rake they generate at poker.  

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All it costs you is a few hours a week and eventually your reputation.  







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Was I the one that caused a programming bug that increased the rake?

No, but you're trying to help them get away with it.



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Did I play a part in that?  

Yes, you're trying to help them get away with it.


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Do you want me to end this service?

I'd prefer you just stop being deceptive and start being completely transparent.


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Stop what?  

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February 14, 2016, 10:12:48 PM
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Twitchy, you're going on a non stop libeling rampage again.  I relayed to you what I'm told at Betcoin regarding the issues you've brought up.  I don't have to tell you what % I get or my address, or my passport #.  See where I'm going with this?

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February 14, 2016, 10:56:44 PM
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Twitchy, you're going on a non stop libeling rampage again.  I relayed to you what I'm told at Betcoin regarding the issues you've brought up.  I don't have to tell you what % I get or my address, or my passport #.  See where I'm going with this?

We both have the freedom to say pretty much whatever we want, let's just have a simple yet rational conversation about the way Betcoin is behaving ok?


I think we agree that Betcoin over raked their cash games last November/December

We disagree on how much they took and how long it went on.


Betcoin has maintained that the period was only 3-5 days and they feel no financial obligation.

I think it was happening for somewhere between 40-42 days for a very substantial amount, much more than 10 Bitcoin.  I also went into great detail explaining exactly how I came up with this conclusion while taking all the promos and rakeback into consideration.  I also shared evidence I gathered to back up my claim.  (Im not gonna repost it all since its ITT already, let me know if you can't find any part/I wasn't clear/somethings missing)

You have described it as a "brief period" for a "minuscule amount."  And so far have refused to elaborate.  


Do you still believe this is true?  If so, why?  How are we coming to such different conclusions?


If you think any of my calculations are wrong or you find any sort of issue, i'm interested in your opinion.

What am I missing?

Do you think I could be right?








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February 15, 2016, 01:36:27 AM
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Twitchy, you're going on a non stop libeling rampage again.  I relayed to you what I'm told at Betcoin regarding the issues you've brought up.  I don't have to tell you what % I get or my address, or my passport #.  See where I'm going with this?

We both have the freedom to say pretty much whatever we want, let's just have a simple yet rational conversation about the way Betcoin is behaving ok?


I think we agree that Betcoin over raked their cash games last November/December

We disagree on how much they took and how long it went on.


Betcoin has maintained that the period was only 3-5 days and they feel no financial obligation.

I think it was happening for somewhere between 40-42 days for a very substantial amount, much more than 10 Bitcoin.  I also went into great detail explaining exactly how I came up with this conclusion while taking all the promos and rakeback into consideration.  I also shared evidence I gathered to back up my claim.  (Im not gonna repost it all since its ITT already, let me know if you can't find any part/I wasn't clear/somethings missing)

You have described it as a "brief period" for a "minuscule amount."  And so far have refused to elaborate.  


Do you still believe this is true?  If so, why? How are we coming to such different conclusions?


If you think any of my calculations are wrong or you find any sort of issue, i'm interested in your opinion.

What am I missing?

Do you think I could be right?









Like I said you failed to consider the multiple types of RAKEBACK that players received; some were prop players and hence received 100%+ rakeback.  Other players, such as those under this program, received 50-190% rakeback throughout that period.  In essence, both of these groups could be considered prop players to a certain degree.  And then you did not calculate the normal VIP/affiliate rakeback of the players.  When you factor in everything, the amount is minuscule.

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Like I said you failed to consider the multiple types of RAKEBACK that players received; some were prop players and hence received 100%+ rakeback.  Other players, such as those under this program, received 50-190% rakeback throughout that period.  In essence, both of these groups could be considered prop players to a certain degree.  And then you did not calculate the normal VIP/affiliate rakeback of the players.  When you factor in everything, the amount is minuscule.



Betcoin utilized prop players in late 2015?  What were these players names? 

Also, you aren't showing any proof of anything.  You are saying "some players were prop players, some players got rakeback, so the amount stolen is very small".  But you don't know that.  You are guessing.  The fact is, the number of being on TSR is very very small.  As I said, based on my database and observing skills, it's FAR under 10% of the player pool.  Tier RB caps at 50%, and most players, even daily players, are around/under 30%.  The logic says that the amount stolen is very very large and not at all "minuscule".  If you are trying to counter that logic, you have to show proof otherwise it looks like you're just toeing the ole company line...and being left out to dry.
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February 15, 2016, 05:26:42 AM
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Twitchy, you're going on a non stop libeling rampage again.  I relayed to you what I'm told at Betcoin regarding the issues you've brought up.  I don't have to tell you what % I get or my address, or my passport #.  See where I'm going with this?

We both have the freedom to say pretty much whatever we want, let's just have a simple yet rational conversation about the way Betcoin is behaving ok?


I think we agree that Betcoin over raked their cash games last November/December

We disagree on how much they took and how long it went on.


Betcoin has maintained that the period was only 3-5 days and they feel no financial obligation.

I think it was happening for somewhere between 40-42 days for a very substantial amount, much more than 10 Bitcoin.  I also went into great detail explaining exactly how I came up with this conclusion while taking all the promos and rakeback into consideration.  I also shared evidence I gathered to back up my claim.  (Im not gonna repost it all since its ITT already, let me know if you can't find any part/I wasn't clear/somethings missing)

You have described it as a "brief period" for a "minuscule amount."  And so far have refused to elaborate.  


Do you still believe this is true?  If so, why? How are we coming to such different conclusions?


If you think any of my calculations are wrong or you find any sort of issue, i'm interested in your opinion.

What am I missing?

Do you think I could be right?









Like I said you failed to consider the multiple types of RAKEBACK that players received; some were prop players and hence received 100%+ rakeback.  Other players, such as those under this program, received 50-190% rakeback throughout that period.  In essence, both of these groups could be considered prop players to a certain degree.  And then you did not calculate the normal VIP/affiliate rakeback of the players.  When you factor in everything, the amount is minuscule.




I am absolutely considering these players Xiao and I've said before, players obv shouldn't be entitled to any refund for hands played while they were receiving 100%+ rakeback.

What about the rec players?

Random Rec player  that has no idea who is affiliate is and only has time to play about 5 hours a week. 

He has a 5 bitcoin and set some goals or somthing.  trying to grind it up playing 1 or 2 tables of 200NL HU.

From October 30 - Dec 10 he played 5000 hands.

During that time, every pot over 200 chips that he won - Betcoin accidentally steals 4 chips from him.

Every 100 chip pot, they take 1.5 chips from him.

Any pot over 40 chips, Betcoin accidentally steals a little bit from him.

Do you think after the 5000 hands, this will add up to a minuscule amount for this player?



What about random degen who hits a slot jackpot and decides to sit at 25/50 to play a bumhunter for an hour.

During the over rake period, Betcoin would have taken over 140 chips from him without him ever noticing.

This went on from OCTOBER 30 to DECEMBER 10! 

I stopped bitching about the money Betcoin owes me long ago, and they probably would of paid me by now if I would just be quiet about all the people they rob who HAVE NO CLUE

I'm going to repost 2 screen shots.   Please try not to look at them like were just a bunch of fucking idiots. Unlike most users on this site, this isn't players complaining in hopes of a freebies.   


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Like I said I am relaying what is told to me.  Fundamentally speaking we are in agreement here Twitchy.  However you overrate my ability to sway management.  There's absolutely nothing I can do about it.  That's pretty obvious.  If there was something I can do, then I would be part of management rather than a service provider.  Could we end this discussion now?
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Like I said I am relaying what is told to me.  Fundamentally speaking we are in agreement here Twitchy.  However you overrate my ability to sway management.  There's absolutely nothing I can do about it.  That's pretty obvious.  If there was something I can do, then I would be part of management rather than a service provider.  Could we end this discussion now?

So you are in agreement that Betcoin has stolen tons of money from it's customers?  By being a major affiliate, you must then agree that you have been the recipient of some of those ill-gotten funds, right?  Since you receive a % of the rake of your refereed players, if those players had too much raked from them you received more than you should have and that came directly from the player.  I showed an easy to follow example of this a few days ago.  Have you refunded those players?  Have you asked Betcoin why they haven't refunded those players?  Have you considered ceasing to refer players to Betcoin since you agree that they act unethically towards their customers, and you are ethically liable...if not criminally...for those players being taken advantage of?

Instead of glossing over criticism and half-answering one question posed, I'd appreciate if you actually answer the questions.  Even if you don't flesh out your answers, a simple yes/no will greatly help players, both new and prospective, see where you stand on issues ethically.  Here they are again:

1. Have you refunded those players?

2. Have you asked Betcoin why they haven't refunded those players?

3.  Have you considered ceasing to refer players to Betcoin since you agree that they act unethically towards their customers, and you are ethically liable...if not criminally...for those players being taken advantage of?
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Like I said I am relaying what is told to me.  Fundamentally speaking we are in agreement here Twitchy.  However you overrate my ability to sway management.  There's absolutely nothing I can do about it.  That's pretty obvious.  If there was something I can do, then I would be part of management rather than a service provider.  Could we end this discussion now?

So you are in agreement that Betcoin has stolen tons of money from it's customers?  By being a major affiliate, you must then agree that you have been the recipient of some of those ill-gotten funds, right?  Since you receive a % of the rake of your refereed players, if those players had too much raked from them you received more than you should have and that came directly from the player.  I showed an easy to follow example of this a few days ago.  Have you refunded those players?  Have you asked Betcoin why they haven't refunded those players?  Have you considered ceasing to refer players to Betcoin since you agree that they act unethically towards their customers, and you are ethically liable...if not criminally...for those players being taken advantage of?

Instead of glossing over criticism and half-answering one question posed, I'd appreciate if you actually answer the questions.  Even if you don't flesh out your answers, a simple yes/no will greatly help players, both new and prospective, see where you stand on issues ethically.  Here they are again:

1. Have you refunded those players?

2. Have you asked Betcoin why they haven't refunded those players?

3.  Have you considered ceasing to refer players to Betcoin since you agree that they act unethically towards their customers, and you are ethically liable...if not criminally...for those players being taken advantage of?

Slander/libel/trolling/cluelessness in full effect here.  You keep putting words in my mouth.  I was patient enough to respond to you all this time.  I'm certainly done responding to you now.

It's clear you have a vendetta against Betcoin and your wish/goal is for the entire Betcoin company to crumble to ashes and along with it the tens of thousands of players that depend on the site for gaming, work, entertainment, and friendship/fellowship.
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Twitchy, you're going on a non stop libeling rampage again.  I relayed to you what I'm told at Betcoin regarding the issues you've brought up.  I don't have to tell you what % I get or my address, or my passport #.  See where I'm going with this?

We both have the freedom to say pretty much whatever we want, let's just have a simple yet rational conversation about the way Betcoin is behaving ok?


I think we agree that Betcoin over raked their cash games last November/December

We disagree on how much they took and how long it went on.


Betcoin has maintained that the period was only 3-5 days and they feel no financial obligation.

I think it was happening for somewhere between 40-42 days for a very substantial amount, much more than 10 Bitcoin.  I also went into great detail explaining exactly how I came up with this conclusion while taking all the promos and rakeback into consideration.  I also shared evidence I gathered to back up my claim.  (Im not gonna repost it all since its ITT already, let me know if you can't find any part/I wasn't clear/somethings missing)

You have described it as a "brief period" for a "minuscule amount."  And so far have refused to elaborate.  


Do you still believe this is true?  If so, why? How are we coming to such different conclusions?


If you think any of my calculations are wrong or you find any sort of issue, i'm interested in your opinion.

What am I missing?

Do you think I could be right?









Like I said you failed to consider the multiple types of RAKEBACK that players received; some were prop players and hence received 100%+ rakeback.  Other players, such as those under this program, received 50-190% rakeback throughout that period.  In essence, both of these groups could be considered prop players to a certain degree.  And then you did not calculate the normal VIP/affiliate rakeback of the players.  When you factor in everything, the amount is minuscule.




I am absolutely considering these players Xiao and I've said before, players obv shouldn't be entitled to any refund for hands played while they were receiving 100%+ rakeback.

What about the rec players?

Random Rec player  that has no idea who is affiliate is and only has time to play about 5 hours a week.  

He has a 5 bitcoin and set some goals or somthing.  trying to grind it up playing 1 or 2 tables of 200NL HU.

From October 30 - Dec 10 he played 5000 hands.

During that time, every pot over 200 chips that he won - Betcoin accidentally steals 4 chips from him.

Every 100 chip pot, they take 1.5 chips from him.

Any pot over 40 chips, Betcoin accidentally steals a little bit from him.

Do you think after the 5000 hands, this will add up to a minuscule amount for this player?



What about random degen who hits a slot jackpot and decides to sit at 25/50 to play a bumhunter for an hour.

During the over rake period, Betcoin would have taken over 140 chips from him without him ever noticing.

This went on from OCTOBER 30 to DECEMBER 10!  

I stopped bitching about the money Betcoin owes me long ago, and they probably would of paid me by now if I would just be quiet about all the people they rob who HAVE NO CLUE

I'm going to repost 2 screen shots.   Please try not to look at them like were just a bunch of fucking idiots. Unlike most users on this site, this isn't players complaining in hopes of a freebies.  


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Om g  customer support using profanity against players after ripping them off in rake not even willing to compensate players making lame rationilizations and after emails got hacked site wide this site should be avoided like the beaubonic plauge.
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Slander/libel/trolling/cluelessness in full effect here.  You keep putting words in my mouth.  I was patient enough to respond to you all this time.  I'm certainly done responding to you now.

It's clear you have a vendetta against Betcoin and your wish/goal is for the entire Betcoin company to crumble to ashes and along with it the tens of thousands of players that depend on the site for gaming, work, entertainment, and friendship/fellowship.

You don't know what slander or libel means.  Stop using those words.  You are only making yourself look dumber.

I asked you three simple questions, all based on a comment that YOU made!  Why do you keep saying things off the top of your head and then ignoring any or all of the questions that those comments bare? 

Here are those questions again:

1. Have you refunded those players?

2. Have you asked Betcoin why they haven't refunded those players?

3.  Have you considered ceasing to refer players to Betcoin since you agree that they act unethically towards their customers, and you are ethically liable...if not criminally...for those players being taken advantage of?
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You don't know what slander or libel means.  Stop using those words.  You are only making yourself look dumber.

I asked you three simple questions, all based on a comment that YOU made!  Why do you keep saying things off the top of your head and then ignoring any or all of the questions that those comments bare?  

Here are those questions again:

1. Have you refunded those players?

2. Have you asked Betcoin why they haven't refunded those players?

3.  Have you considered ceasing to refer players to Betcoin since you agree that they act unethically towards their customers, and you are ethically liable...if not criminally...for those players being taken advantage of?

I'll go ahead and put words in xiao's mouth just to end this stupidity. Obviously, the answers to questions 1, 2, and 3 are NO, otherwise he would have answered them quickly and transparently.

I agree with Betcoin Jessica. There are plenty of other places to play, and people should play on sites where they are comfortable that the games are clean and they aren't getting systematically ripped off (or if it happens inadvertently, have confidence that they'll get reimbursed). I will continue giving these other less shady sites my business until Betcoin upgrades their security, code, and customer service to at least the industry standard. I withdrew the majority of my roll from Betcoin when the news of the database hack surfaced, and just now withdrew the remainder. GG
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February 15, 2016, 10:33:02 PM
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Like I said I am relaying what is told to me.  Fundamentally speaking we are in agreement here Twitchy.  However you overrate my ability to sway management.  There's absolutely nothing I can do about it.  That's pretty obvious.  If there was something I can do, then I would be part of management rather than a service provider.  Could we end this discussion now?

Enough with the "Don't shoot the messenger" BS. I know you aren't an idiot, so quit acting like such a dolt.

If Betcoin tells you something you think is BS, here's what you post:

"This is what Betcoin told me, I think it's BS though and this is why..."

If Betcoin tells you to lie, don't.

If you realize Betcoin accidentally stole from players, you tell them to give it back asap so you don't have to warn players about them.

If know Betcoin doesn't give a fuck about lying and stealing from players,

YOU DONT POST SHIT LIKE THIS:

Some of the benefits of playing at Betcoin:

-Insane rewards (especially if you've registered via this service)

-Huge tournament fields and prizepools because of WPN shared tournaments

-The best ongoing promotions!

-Active community forum and chat allowing instant communication with support AND other players

-Incredible security; 2FA, system monitoring of outliers and abnormal activities (such as multi-accounting and collusion)

-Increasing staff and support

-Constant improvement of platform (stay tuned for incredible new features)


Finally, it is clear support is working arduously to improve the platform and ensure everyone's safety.  Therefore I urge everyone to be patient when demanding something.

Take care and GL!

I can only imagine the amount of money you are making for such little work so I have little chance of pursuading you to risk it by doing the right thing, but I will continue doing what I'm doing as long as Betcoin refuses to accept responsibility for their decisions.


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February 16, 2016, 01:55:09 AM
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2/15/16 Attention: Currently there are ~400 satisfied users under this 40% additional rakeback program and 10,000 - 60,000 satisfied users at Betcoin.  This is here to stay!

Please don't let a few disgruntled users (TwitcySeal and 1 or 2 other users) disuade you from this service.  They have a problem with Betcoin management, and have decided to hijack this thread. How a few from the poker community feel about Twitchy and company:

Wow twitchy and the other trolls have to be some of the biggest dumbest trolls on the internet. Xaio provides a service and provides it very well. He can't do anything about what you are complaining about. He has also shown himself to be of high character with regsrd to the players over and over. I guarantee I've paid more rake to betcoin than anyone here and I don't feel slighted at all. They offer the best rb and xaio is a credit to the players. Continuing to nag him about this is pointless and just makes this thread unbearable.

Wow you guys need to leave Xiao the fuck alone, everything about this service is amazing.

You guys need to lay off, he is just an affiliate. If you have a problem with Betcoin, take it up with Betcoin. It's not his fault and there is nothing he can do about it even if he wanted to.

Is it possible to signup with an existing account? I just created my account like an hour ago and already made a deposit and played a tiny amount. Will they let me be tracked to an affiliate or it's too late? Can I just make a new account?

Yes, why you don't start your own thread instead of filling this thread with garbage.  You clearly have mental problems as many people have stated.  Start your own thread and say whatever you want.
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2/15/16 Attention: Currently there are ~400 satisfied users under this 40% additional rakeback program and 10,000 - 60,000 satisfied users at Betcoin.  This is here to stay!

Please don't let a few disgruntled users (TwitcySeal and 1 or 2 other users) disuade you from this service.  They have a problem with Betcoin management, and have decided to hijack this thread.

I think I pretty clearly stated the problems I have with Betcoin: their lack of security, lack of customer service, and insecure code. I don't have an axe to grind with Betcoin management, and if they choose to rectify these issues, I would consider playing there again. I am simply stating that people should make their own decisions about whether to play on Betcoin after carefully looking at the facts rather than getting swept up in the hype.

If bitcointalk didn't exist, I would have never known about half of the problems people were having with the site. Just do your own research and don't get distracted by the endless signature banners, BIG TEXT, and colored fonts.

I heard that Mt. Gox was super trustworthy as well. Poker Dominicano had some ridiculously great promotions, too, before they flew by night, not to mention Lock Poker, Full Tilt, Juicy Stakes, Poker Spot, Ultimate Bet...
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Thanks for partaking in this discussion in a civil manner.  I agree with you that there's been many unreliable gaming sites out there in the past, especially the one's you named and not to mention other bitcoin sites that have gone "donk down".  However it's unfair and illogical to say Betcoin will follow the same route.

Betcoin is owned and backed by WPN, one of the larger poker networks out there.  They have no incentive to simply run away with player funds, and I'm sure WPN will not allow it.  They are growing rapidly, and therefore have no incentive to close up shop.  Regarding the other issues you've brought up, they're working on making the platform air tight in every aspect, but I totally agree with you that those things could be improved upon.  They're still an infant company, and there is obviously a lot of improvements to be made. 
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2/15/16 Attention: Currently there are ~400 satisfied users under this 40% additional rakeback program and 10,000 - 60,000 satisfied users at Betcoin.  This is here to stay!

Please don't let a few disgruntled users (TwitcySeal and 1 or 2 other users) disuade you from this service.  They have a problem with Betcoin management, and have decided to hijack this thread. How a few from the poker community feel about Twitchy and company:

Wow twitchy and the other trolls have to be some of the biggest dumbest trolls on the internet. Xaio provides a service and provides it very well. He can't do anything about what you are complaining about. He has also shown himself to be of high character with regsrd to the players over and over. I guarantee I've paid more rake to betcoin than anyone here and I don't feel slighted at all. They offer the best rb and xaio is a credit to the players. Continuing to nag him about this is pointless and just makes this thread unbearable.

Wow you guys need to leave Xiao the fuck alone, everything about this service is amazing.

You guys need to lay off, he is just an affiliate. If you have a problem with Betcoin, take it up with Betcoin. It's not his fault and there is nothing he can do about it even if he wanted to.

Is it possible to signup with an existing account? I just created my account like an hour ago and already made a deposit and played a tiny amount. Will they let me be tracked to an affiliate or it's too late? Can I just make a new account?

Yes, why you don't start your own thread instead of filling this thread with garbage.  You clearly have mental problems as many people have stated.  Start your own thread and say whatever you want.

I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from your service.  In fact, my advice to anyone thinking about signing up at betcoin is:



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1) Keep detailed records of all rake paid especially WPN tournament fees, Poker Tracker or HEM2 is a must, it will only be a matter of time before you are missing funds due to a bug or something and for poker Betcoin offers no financial history other than raw HHs and rakeback already paid.  If your missing money, don't expect support to be able to figure out what or why something went wrong, they are completely incompetent when it comes to all things poker.  You have to tell them exactly how much they owe you and why.  They will usually just pay you as long as you haven't pissed them off.

2) Bump the hell out of tickets.  They misuse the CS support ticket system.  If a request annoys them for some reason, you will be ignored at least until you "bump" your ticket once or twice.  If they haven't responded in a day or so, they are probably hoping you will just forget about it all together.

3) If you make a friend at the tables or in chat, they're probably going to try and scam you.  There are several well known online poker scammers who have been scamming for the past 10+ years and Betcoin is the only site that hasn't banned them.  They are allowed to make staking/loan threads every day and bump them in chat as often as they want till someone eventually falls for it and sends them money.  Next day, they start all over without consequence.  

4) Andrew is usually wrong, just pretend you think he's right.  

5) Make sure you sign up through Xiaoxiao, he worked out a deal with Betcoin so that they pay every other affiliate a smaller commission.  He offers 40% but actually pays closer to 38%.  (Also, he may tell you hes an "advocate for the players" but really he's just another shill that has chosen to be a little bitch who puts his income before his dignity)  If you've already signed up and dont know who your affiliate is, talk to support.  You may have to face the ethical dilemma of choosing to get less rake-back than most regs for the rest of your life or creating a second account.


Feel free to use any of this for your OP.  (Don't worry about giving me credit, I know Betcoin would not allow you to)

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February 16, 2016, 03:54:04 AM
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Thanks for partaking in this discussion in a civil manner.  I agree with you that there's been many unreliable gaming sites out there in the past, especially the one's you named and not to mention other bitcoin sites that have gone "donk down".  However it's unfair and illogical to say Betcoin will follow the same route.

Betcoin is owned and backed by WPN, one of the larger poker networks out there.  They have no incentive to simply run away with player funds, and I'm sure WPN will not allow it.  They are growing rapidly, and therefore have no incentive to close up shop.  Regarding the other issues you've brought up, they're working on making the platform air tight in every aspect, but I totally agree with you that those things could be improved upon.  They're still an infant company, and there is obviously a lot of improvements to be made. 

WPN does not own Bitcoin or Back them.

Betcoin is a part of the "Winning Tournament Network", which means they licensed the software and are allowed to sell tickets to some of the tournaments offered by WPN.

This is what the tournament director of WPN had to say about Betcoin:



What did Betcoin have to do to join the WTN?

Excellent question, they had to follow these 3 easy steps!




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not to mention other bitcoin sites that have gone "donk down"

Micon would be disgusted with your behavior btw. 

I think you know how shitty it is what youre doing and hope you eventually come around back from the dark side.

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