BTCD is no more

[jl777]

Everyone is in Slack. There is lots going on so join slack if you want to join the fun.

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The problem is that the wider community won't bother with slack.  People seem to judge alt coins by the activity on bitcointalk (fickle I know!).  So from a marketing PoV I think more discussion should take place here.

maybe we could cut and past chat logs from slack to here?

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[Nthused]

Everyone is in Slack. There is lots going on so join slack if you want to join the fun.

+1
The problem is that the wider community won't bother with slack.  People seem to judge alt coins by the activity on bitcointalk (fickle I know!).  So from a marketing PoV I think more discussion should take place here.

maybe we could cut and past chat logs from slack to here?

Yes that would be a good idea, as like you said the rest of Bitcointalk could then see recent information regarding BTCD.

[Azeh]

Please request a slack invite here: http://bitcoindark.pw/slack/ or feel free to comment and follow along here on the forums

BitcoinDark Slack Logs (2/4-2/9)

00:42:06   <cassius>   Should be a rich list somewhere
00:43:00   <cassius>   Just moved a third of mine to MGW, just in case. Works fast but I had to get the deposit address from the link James posted, as it didn't appear in my client. Anyone else have that problem?
00:44:24   <mr_e>   how long before coins are usable after deposit?
00:45:42   <purevision>   @cassius: explorebtcd.info/bitcoindark-btcd-rich-list-top-500
00:46:10   <cassius>   @purevision: Thanks!
00:46:34   <cassius>   @mr_e: They turned up very fast.
02:03:15   <btcddev>   @channel my btcd ramchain powered block explorer
02:03:15   <btcddev>   http://104.131.45.236/
02:03:19   <btcddev>   still needs work
02:03:23   <btcddev>   need more functions
02:03:25   <btcddev>   but it's cool
02:03:30   <btcddev>   you can do a quick rich list
02:03:42   <btcddev>   see all txid's with an addr
02:03:43   <btcddev>   etc
02:06:50   <btcddev>   @channel my btcd ramchain powered block explorer
02:10:13   <cryptosleuth>   :clap::clap:
02:10:33   <cryptosleuth>   how much traffic do you think your server can handle?
02:11:09   <btcddev>   no idea
02:11:20   <btcddev>   not crazy amounts
02:11:25   <btcddev>   but enough I'd say
02:11:29   <btcddev>   need to add more functionality
02:22:13   <cryptosleuth>   does anyone have the nxt address and message you use
02:22:16   <cryptosleuth>   to withdraw from mgw
03:06:35   <jahl>   lol funny to see ppl fighting over buywalls
03:07:40   <btcddev>   jahl who?
03:08:07   <jahl>   on trex, ppl cut the cue, then the other one removes their wall and sets it higher aswel, etc
03:08:40   <jahl>   i'm one of them so i know :confused:
03:08:56   <jahl>   then one large wall disapears and 4 tinier ones apear lol
03:09:14   <jahl>   its a buy war
03:09:35   <btcddev>   
03:09:45   <btcddev>   But there's a huge sell wall
03:09:49   <jahl>   i would be ok if we all queued
03:09:58   <jahl>   but not if one puts all his btc in front of mine
03:10:09   <jahl>   yea, saw that
03:10:25   <jahl>   only to surpress the price i rekon
03:10:59   <jahl>   i need btc to go down to purchase more, bit high atm :confused:
03:13:21   <etoque>   @jahl try to found a seller :simple_smile:
03:13:43   <etoque>   I have price market in cash
03:13:47   <btcddev>   jahl i guess that guy wants cheaper coins
03:13:50   <jahl>   they will want the best price to sell, and i want the best price to buy lol
03:13:53   <btcddev>   why else would he put up that sell order
03:13:56   <etoque>   depend
03:14:00   <jahl>   i know, thats wht i said :simple_smile:
03:14:12   <etoque>   sometime you find good guy just want more people in btc
03:14:14   <jahl>   even if he sells some, he bought them lower
03:14:35   <jahl>   480k is a bit high tho, should place it lower
03:14:43   <jahl>   or means he doesn't want to sell
03:15:31   <jahl>   seagals fighting of a french frie is wht the market looks like lol
03:16:06   <etoque>   thats sad,I have to hold 0.25 from 500k,people are not so confident in btct to dump down all the buy support :open_mouth:
03:16:42   <btcddev>   ive bought some more the past couple of days too
03:16:59   <jahl>   i was waiting for a price drop
03:17:12   <jahl>   kinda started last night
03:17:23   <jahl>   less buy, more sell
03:17:58   <jahl>   but ppl waitign to scoop up, i think buy support would fill quickly again if someone woudl (for whaever reason) dump
03:18:20   <etoque>   dump below 380
03:18:23   <etoque>   coming
03:18:28   <etoque>   fuck off ahah
03:18:36   <jahl>   hoping for that yea :simple_smile:
03:20:18   <btcddev>   I've bought ~2400 more the past few days, I'm curious to see what my staking jumps to
03:20:31   <jahl>   wow
03:20:53   <jahl>   dependign on yoru stash, it might increase quite a bit :simple_smile:
03:21:06   <jahl>   but in yoru case, i don't think you'll even notice :smile:
03:21:13   <btcddev>   :simple_smile:
03:21:19   <btcddev>   I'm sure I will
03:21:47   <kitchentable>   That should net you little over .4 coins a day
03:22:02   <jahl>   hmm not sure about that
03:22:11   <jahl>   depends on hwo many transactions no?
03:22:14   <btcddev>   2400*.05/365
03:22:26   <kitchentable>   I do because i have a wallet with that much in it and that is about how much I average.
03:22:41   <jahl>   if there anrent enough transactions to fill everyones theoretical % staking gain, it'll be less no?
03:23:18   <jahl>   i can't see how much i gain, mining at the same time
03:23:20   <btcddev>   less tx fees
03:23:30   <btcddev>   also, mgw addresses don't stake at all
03:23:56   <jahl>   small miner, so i noticed the rise in price when ir eceive my coins :confused:
03:25:19   <btcddev>   I wish I had about 100 btc to play with and just buy all the sell orders :simple_smile:
03:26:23   <jahl>   you would still try and buy as cheap as possible, who are you kidding :smile:
03:26:28   <btcddev>   :simple_smile:
03:26:32   <btcddev>   a little at a time
03:28:18   <jahl>   i hope SDC review comes soon and is positive, then i'll have more btc to play with :simple_smile:
03:29:21   <btcddev>   :simple_smile:
03:29:26   <jahl>   this is more and more looking like an all in as time passes by :confused:
03:29:45   <jahl>   first traders rule, deversify lol
03:29:53   <jahl>   altho if you are right..
03:30:19   <jahl>   i liek to think i'm deversifying, sn tokens, btcd and assets :smile:
03:31:45   <btcddev>   I was thinking about moving some sn to btcd
03:32:26   <jahl>   which price?
03:33:04   <btcddev>   idk I probably won't
03:33:07   <btcddev>   since sn is down
03:33:12   <jahl>   just bought one for 222
03:33:18   <jahl>   only one for sale :disappointed:
03:33:30   <btcddev>   yeah next is 229
03:33:55   <jahl>   hoping they wanted to test if they coudl sell for that price, and now put more at that price (wishfull thinking)
03:34:23   <jahl>   drop in price might be because more ppl want btcd now?
03:34:44   <btcddev>   price of btcd seems steady though
03:34:47   <btcddev>   not rising much
03:35:26   <jahl>   my lowest was 320k, guess those times are over :simple_smile:
03:35:35   <btcddev>   :simple_smile:
03:35:40   <jahl>   highest 480k tho
03:35:56   <jahl>   but must around 350-400
03:36:02   <btcddev>   I miss buying at 30k and below :disappointed:
03:36:14   <jahl>   oh shut up :stuck_out_tongue:
03:36:23   <jahl>   never gonna happen again :simple_smile:
03:36:40   <jahl>   why didn't you tell me btcd was here !
03:37:00   <btcddev>   I tried to tell everyone
03:37:14   <btcddev>   I hired our first pr guy
03:37:19   <btcddev>   gave him 2400 btcd
03:37:25   <jahl>   hope he kept them
03:37:33   <btcddev>   he sold them for .19 btc total
03:37:38   <jahl>   wow!
03:38:00   <btcddev>   I felt bad for him
03:38:05   <jahl>   its his choise
03:38:13   <btcddev>   He messaged me at 120k saying it was so expensive now, he missed out
03:38:24   <btcddev>   I asked him to please buy back in
03:38:28   <btcddev>   but he didn't
03:38:44   <jahl>   well you can never be sure... its always a decision to buy back in
03:38:53   <btcddev>   then btcd went to $5
03:38:53   <jahl>   never know how its gonna go
03:38:58   <btcddev>   true
03:39:07   <jahl>   especially with all the alt scams back then
03:39:21   <btcddev>   but then james came into the forums and was posting WTB 60k BTCD everywhere
03:39:31   <btcddev>   I knew the price was gonna rise
03:39:36   <jahl>   hope he kept them
03:39:42   <btcddev>   I'm sure
03:40:24   <jahl>   my first investment was litecoin, guess how that turned out :cold_sweat:
03:40:43   <jahl>   luckily i sold most, but still lost on it
03:40:47   <btcddev>   too bad
03:41:01   <btcddev>   mine was .21 btc at 900 apiece
03:41:15   <jahl>   i only saw the drop from 13$ to now
03:41:27   <jahl>   was too new to crypto
03:41:39   <jahl>   was trading with 5btc for the first time, lost it all ha :simple_smile:
03:41:49   <btcddev>   :disappointed:
03:41:50   <jahl>   but its a good lesson if you lose
03:42:06   <jahl>   you suddenly stop thinking you're a master trader :stuck_out_tongue:
03:42:08   <btcddev>   I was desperate to buy bitcoin at $8 apiece, couldn't figure out how
03:42:15   <btcddev>   mtgox was wanting all kinds of info
03:42:24   <cascrypto>   quark, zeta supernet 3 time a charm ;0)
03:42:29   <jahl>   i saw bitcoin at 14$ when a friend showed me silkroad, but never looked back
03:42:45   <btcddev>   in early 2013 when the price dropped, i vowed to buy some, but couldn't figure it out
03:42:57   <btcddev>   the learning curve was so steep
03:43:10   <jahl>   learning mining was a bitch aswel lol
03:43:16   <btcddev>   yeah i bet
03:43:37   <jahl>   first time temps rose to 95 celcius, was liek wtf?
03:43:44   <jahl>   then afterburner came into my life
03:44:18   <jahl>   but i guess its fun when you look back
03:44:23   <jahl>   i do not regret it :simple_smile:
03:44:36   <btcddev>   :simple_smile:
03:44:42   <btcddev>   i really got started mining doge
03:44:47   <btcddev>   then met azeh and torrna
03:44:58   <btcddev>   we build a scrypt miner with 6 r9 280x's
03:45:09   <jahl>   doge has had a large role in introducing ppl to crypto, got to love doge :simple_smile:
03:45:20   <btcddev>   yes it has
03:45:29   <jahl>   i bet they were load cards?
03:45:34   <jahl>   90's were airplanes
03:46:06   <jahl>   coudl heat up the entire room quickly :simple_smile:
03:46:13   <jahl>   had to buy fans to cool them during the summer
03:46:19   <btcddev>   oh yeah
03:46:35   <jahl>   checkign every half an hour, are they ok?
03:47:24   <btcddev>   it mined us a ton of blackcoins during pow
03:47:38   <jahl>   kept them untill 90K
03:47:40   <jahl>   ?
03:47:56   <btcddev>   nope
03:48:10   <btcddev>   im not a trader
03:48:13   <btcddev>   i am terrible
03:48:21   <btcddev>   so i decided to just study the source code
03:48:25   <btcddev>   make my own coin
03:48:31   <jahl>   turned out realy well that :smile:
03:48:36   <btcddev>   :simple_smile:
03:48:42   <btcddev>   made a coin called bitcoindark
03:48:57   <jahl>   the first dark addition to an existing coin?
03:49:04   <starfleet>   Just for my balance sheet, when will we be back to 0.01?
03:49:12   <starfleet>   I hate to see the price go down without no reason
03:49:12   <btcddev>   yes
03:49:19   <jahl>   2 weeks 1 day 2hrs 30sec
03:49:20   <starfleet>   this makes me somehow angry
03:49:21   <btcddev>   called btcd because it was sha 256
03:49:29   <jahl>   be patient star
03:49:30   <starfleet>   2weeks is release?
03:49:37   <jahl>   i was kidding nm
03:49:43   <jahl>   <= strange sense of humor
03:49:58   <jahl>   just don't sell'm
03:50:01   <starfleet>   Dont you do that :sweat_smile:
03:50:02   <btcddev>   no exact date
03:50:14   <jahl>   i'm hoping it will take a while
03:50:15   <btcddev>   strange though
03:50:16   <starfleet>   I see
03:50:18   <btcddev>   price going down
03:50:21   <btcddev>   as tech is rolling out
03:50:31   <btcddev>   realtime mgw is really up and processing right now
03:50:36   <starfleet>   will it have full teleport funcionality? AFAIK this will be in future releases
03:50:42   <starfleet>   or am i wrong
03:50:43   <jahl>   i don't think most ppl understand
03:50:49   <btcddev>   not in v1
03:50:56   <btcddev>   v1 is having all mgw functions
03:50:59   <btcddev>   and ramchains
03:51:18   <starfleet>   hmm so I think price will resume staying low while v1 release
03:51:41   <btcddev>   for example
03:51:41   <btcddev>   104.131.45.236/ramrichlist/100
03:51:43   <starfleet>   At least I can accumulate more :smiley::smiley::smiley:
03:51:45   <btcddev>   look at the bottom
03:51:50   <jahl>   thats the spirit :smile:
03:51:52   <btcddev>   milliseconds
03:52:12   <btcddev>   that's how many milliseconds it just took to parse the entire btcd blockchain
03:52:20   <btcddev>   and create a list of the top 100 btcd addresses
03:52:22   <jahl>   the entire chain?
03:52:24   <btcddev>   yes
03:52:34   <jahl>   :scream_cat:
03:52:45   <btcddev>   This is what people do not understand
03:52:50   <starfleet>   Cool point, but whats the gain with this?
03:53:05   <starfleet>   Yes I admit, Im not that much into tech
03:53:10   <btcddev>   we can package the entire blockchain with the download
03:53:16   <btcddev>   it compresses it and stores it in ram
03:53:21   <jahl>   thats huge
03:53:25   <btcddev>   it's a huge jump in efficiency
03:53:35   <jahl>   compare to blk lol
03:53:41   <blackyblack>   not the selling feature actually
03:53:52   <btcddev>   In my opinion, this is a revolutionary crypto tech that will be explored further
03:54:10   <btcddev>   many applications
03:54:12   <blackyblack>   yeah for tech aware people
03:54:40   <btcddev>   it solves a large problem
03:54:47   <btcddev>   btc blockchain now over 30GB
03:54:55   <btcddev>   who is gonna keep hosting a full node?
03:55:01   <btcddev>   less and less people
03:55:40   <jahl>   wasn't rat4 working on somethign to compress the chain?
03:55:45   <jahl>   blk dev
03:55:47   <btcddev>   I'm not sure
03:56:02   <blackyblack>   gzip btc.db
03:57:00   <blackyblack>   mv btc.db.gz /dev/null
03:57:04   <starfleet>   Ok seems like ramchains is Fonzie-like
03:57:08   <starfleet>   :simple_smile:
03:57:44   <starfleet>   BTW which addresses use the exchanges? Does one know?
03:59:29   <btcddev>   what do you mean
04:05:18   <jahl>   btcd going down :simple_smile:
04:05:20   <jahl>   -d
04:05:32   <jahl>   so used to typing btcd inhere, meant BTC
04:07:08   <starfleet>   What are the addresses of the exchanges?
04:07:14   <starfleet>   Is this known?
04:07:28   <starfleet>   bittrex and bter, have they specific addresses?
04:07:50   <btcddev>   you mean mailing addresses?
04:07:56   <blackyblack>   bter and polo have known hot wallet addresses
04:08:00   <btcddev>   lol
04:08:07   <blackyblack>   but I do not remember them
04:08:15   <btcddev>   I didn't know what you meant
04:08:39   <starfleet>   I meant BTCD addresses
04:08:51   <blackyblack>   yes a known address for each coin
04:09:02   <starfleet>   ok hmmm
04:09:04   <blackyblack>   I saw on the nxt blockexplorer
04:09:23   <blackyblack>   with btcd may be a problem
04:09:30   <blackyblack>   cause of the anonimity
04:09:31   <starfleet>   Hmm ok
04:10:02   <starfleet>   I tried to figure out, but I had to dig veeeery deep
04:10:11   <starfleet>   seems like combination of multiple hot wallets
04:10:25   <starfleet>   So I was thinking how the structure of the exchange btcd addresses is
04:44:16   <fsb4000>   Are you interested in a patch that reduces the size of binary files? Or this is pointless patch, isn't it?
Tested mega.co.nz/#!ApVilbba!gO6mrhcvSdu-tOhjJ_8y39VhBzzuzSw-5ZMbbUDdVw0
Original size: 24 451 072 bytes
New size: 8 709 632 bytes
04:45:37   <btcddev>   Sure
04:51:17   <fsb4000>   Good, I will add instructions to doc /build-msw.txt, doc/build-osx.txt, doc/build-unix.txt tomorrow.
04:53:59   <jahl>   fbs4000 nice :simple_smile:
04:54:11   <jahl>   supporting SN
04:55:26   <jahl>   wht coins is he a dev of?
05:39:25   <btcddev>   do you all think btcd is about to go back up
05:39:36   <btcddev>   looks like the dump is stalled
05:45:58   <pondsea>   get in now before moon as they say :smile:
05:47:41   <btcddev>   :simple_smile:
05:47:50   <btcddev>   i have bought my share the past few days
05:50:47   <pondsea>   :disappointed: sucks i only managed 120
05:51:03   <pondsea>   all my money is in supernet and nxtventure
05:56:36   <btcddev>   My guess is that the last of the early miners are cashing out

[Azeh]

Please request a slack invite here: http://bitcoindark.pw/slack/ or feel free to comment and follow along here on the forums

BitcoinDark Slack Log (Latest)

03:11:34   <jahl>   lol, infinitechaos banned me from the varified blokc holders channel in their slack, guess someone is lurking :simple_smile:
03:12:58   <jl777>   you admitted you had no block left, so not the required 1000. it is brilliant policies like that which create long winter storms
03:13:33   <jahl>   lol
03:13:45   <jahl>   i'm not sure why they think i will rejoin their slack when having sold all my stake
03:14:38   <jl777>   for the in depth technical chats with dan?
03:15:16   <jahl>   to spy on them so you know how to code :stuck_out_tongue:
03:16:07   <kitchentable>   Would that be counter productive to keep people out of a channel because they don't own any block? I expect you would want people to get involve so they would buy some.
03:16:24   <jl777>   it is their top secret strategy room
03:17:02   <jl777>   where they figure out how to get people to believe they have amazing new tech, when they probably dont
03:17:12   <jahl>   didn't even mention the snowstorm in the varified channel :disappointed: that was about the biggest news since the ICO
03:18:33   <kitchentable>   Sounds like scientology. How you get the knowledge of superpowers if you buy more books and anal cleanses.
03:18:56   <jahl>   better get tom cruise on the line for advise
03:19:24   <jahl>   his msg's usually selfdestruct in 10 secs, so i better listen good
03:23:47   <btcddev>   I think this btcd dice poker idea is neat
03:24:46   <jl777>   i dont even know what it is
03:28:09   <btcddev>   from cfb
03:28:19   <btcddev>   idk what 'dice poker' is, but any development is good :simple_smile:
04:27:41   <cassius>   Basically Yahtzee, right?
04:28:08   <jahl>   poker emblems on a dice perhaps?
04:28:28   <jahl>   instead of cards, dunno
04:28:36   <jahl>   not a poker player :confused:
04:30:32   <cassius>   Basically, yes. A few minor differences - like you can get 5 of a kind. That's what I remember from playing it as a kid, anyway.
04:31:06   <cassius>   Ace, king, queen, jack, ten, nine on the dice, I think. 5 of those makes up the hands.
04:31:12   <cassius>   Good way to get kids into poker
07:19:49   <jahl>   lol betting as a kid, hard core :smile:
12:31:32   <jl777>   try the version at github.com/jl777/btcd
13:02:08   <jl777>   api channel has people to help with the experimental version
13:02:14   <jl777>   hey, do you know ruby?
13:02:36   <jl777>   looking for someone to help with peatio customizations
13:16:33   <jl777>   do you have a slack acct? I will PM you details
13:18:20   <jl777>   yes, sprnt

[clovis A.]

Everyone is in Slack. There is lots going on so join slack if you want to join the fun.

+1
The problem is that the wider community won't bother with slack.  People seem to judge alt coins by the activity on bitcointalk (fickle I know!).  So from a marketing PoV I think more discussion should take place here.

Couldn't agree more Paul, you nailed it dude!!  It is unfortunate that this is the way it works, but btctalk is really where it's at, nonetheless.  Once the tech is released, I'm hoping the community here will be revived; then we can all live happily ever after

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[snakey]

9th position - filter-non-mineable-and-premined

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/views/filter-non-mineable-and-premined/

[jl777]

9th position - filter-non-mineable-and-premined

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/views/filter-non-mineable-and-premined/

As long as we are above monacoin, there is at least a little bit of sanity.

But when things like rimbit are alive, well, it shows that CMC is quite the ridiculous metric to be using. Still in the long run, misvaluations like LTC correcting downward, this is inevitable. What is a bit sad is all these non-crypto projects are being manipulated by their corporate interests. A company backed crypto is, well, quite against the philosophy and when a financially motivated company is controlling a crypto....

So we will keep increasing the value and the market price, it will at some point in the future catch up.

James

[whetherman]

In the meantime i think the above is a very good idea: folks in the slack channel should be pasting interesting bits here. This will help with the information flow and give a more realistic activity level in this thread.

[figroll]

BTCD Slack logs have now been placed on the website at http://bitcoindark.pw/slack-logs/ these will be updated on a daily basis

[Azeh]

In the meantime i think the above is a very good idea: folks in the slack channel should be pasting interesting bits here. This will help with the information flow and give a more realistic activity level in this thread.

Every couple days Me or Torrn will be posting the latest logs from the btcd slack channel.

Any other relevant or important information we will post as well.

[Ezravdb]

nice, btcd is cheap again

[clovis A.]

BTCD Slack logs have now been placed on the website at http://bitcoindark.pw/slack-logs/ these will be updated on a daily basis

Awesome! Thanks so much figroll

In the meantime i think the above is a very good idea: folks in the slack channel should be pasting interesting bits here. This will help with the information flow and give a more realistic activity level in this thread.

Every couple days Me or Torrn will be posting the latest logs from the btcd slack channel.

Any other relevant or important information we will post as well.

Equally grand!  I think this will help bridge the gap

114,460

[clovis A.]

nice, btcd is cheap again

You missed out on the blue light special coins, but yes btcd is still cheap considering the potential this coin hodls

[crackfoo]

The latest shift for the Xpool Multipool paid out over 12+ DRK, 36+ BTCD, 34+ FIBRE & 0.003+ BTC.

We have the new multipool now running full steam so now all my pool's hash rates are combined and already showing great results and payments are flowing. This should increase and stabilize the profitability  

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Anyone can add an additional payout addresses to get your mined coins sent to you direct, instead of exchanged. You can also choose to split your earnings between any of our payout currencies!

Any problems, please PM as I may miss your post.

Cheers!

www.xpool.ca

[Azeh]

Please request a slack invite here: http://bitcoindark.pw/slack/ or feel free to comment and follow along here on the forums

BitcoinDark Slack Log (2/11/15)

01:27:02   <btcddev>   #api
01:27:10   <btcddev>   in sprnt.slack
02:32:43   <kitchentable>   It's been a long time since I've seen the bitcoindark website and I have to say that it is very well done.
02:38:04   <nippybrit>   talking of which
06:59:26   <jahl>   480k on trex, nice :simple_smile:
06:59:33   <jahl>   sellside
07:07:05   <apex944>   anyone rival trex for BTCD volume?
07:21:55   <kitchentable>   unfortunately no. I heard that cryptsy had good volume in beginning but you're taking a risk trading there and the constant month long "wallet maintenance". Bittrex is where to trade until supernet is released.
07:43:57   <apex944>   never had a problem with trex, will stay there thx
09:22:57   <crackers>   don't use Cryptsy
12:46:56   <futurist>   offering 47 SuperNETx2 for 225 BTCD
12:51:13   <btcddev>   @channel is there a bot or api somewhere I can use to grab the latest btcd channel posts?
12:51:31   <jl777>   @futurist: I can do that
12:54:25   <btcddev>   I'm thinking we can set up a BTCtalk account, and periodically post the latest slack postings in the BTCD ann thread
12:55:32   <jl777>   sprnt.slack.com/services/new#diy
12:57:37   <btcddev>   ty
12:58:56   <futurist>   ok lets do it
16:30:00   <figroll>   Slack logs have now been placed on the website at bitcoindark.pw/slack-logs these will be updated on a daily basis
16:31:46   <figroll>   BTCD related that is, all other logs can be found at 104.236.15.119:8086/logs/channels
16:32:41   <lootz>   Nice bro
16:33:28   <lootz>   You want a supernet player on your website :wink: I can make it a sexy blue
16:34:29   <lootz>   in return I shall link an ad for your website on my websites
16:35:01   <lootz>   including my new supersecret hush hush site that will be done in a couple weeks
16:35:52   <lootz>   P
17:03:32   <pondsea>   Is it a guy readying crypto news in the nude?
17:03:47   <pondsea>   All for a low low monthly subscription?
23:40:28   <btcddev>   BitcoinDark price rising slowly :simple_smile:
23:42:08   <whetherman>   nice : -)
23:42:49   <whetherman>   little crosstown traffic at 5 : -)
23:42:56   <btcddev>   :simple_smile:
23:43:06   <btcddev>   glad I bought quite a few ~.004
23:43:18   <whetherman>   yea those were the days huh.
23:43:35   <whetherman>   i got spoiled, was turning up my nose at anything more than 36
23:43:40   <btcddev>   lol
23:43:47   <whetherman>   feels sorta stupid now
23:43:53   <btcddev>   yeah, I understand
23:44:02   <btcddev>   I miss the days of .00015
23:44:12   <btcddev>   I'm afraid they're gone forever
23:44:21   <whetherman>   knock wood : -)
23:44:56   <whetherman>   hard to understand how u are not sitting on about a gazillion of them!
23:45:03   <btcddev>   :simple_smile:
23:45:07   <btcddev>   I was broke
23:45:12   <btcddev>   I premined some
23:45:21   <whetherman>   shhhhh dirty word!
23:45:24   <btcddev>   but didn't have much money to invest
23:45:28   <whetherman>   fudders are listening!!
23:45:38   <btcddev>   It's public knowledge of course \
23:45:39   <btcddev>   :simple_smile:
23:45:52   <whetherman>   that never stopped a real fudder
23:46:07   <whetherman>   truth is a speed bump only
23:46:14   <btcddev>   Then I'm afraid Mr. Nakamoto will have to give back his btc's he mined lol
23:46:23   <whetherman>   yea.
23:46:30   <whetherman>   maybe he is at 219 a pop.
23:46:35   <btcddev>   yeah
23:47:28   <btcddev>   Anyway, I'm happy with what I have
23:48:07   <btcddev>   Does anyone know what's behind DRK's rise?
23:48:17   <whetherman>   seems to be the big mystery
23:48:22   <whetherman>   but i am happy
23:48:38   <whetherman>   hoping it will approach my bagholding level!
23:49:04   <btcddev>   At what price did you buy? If you don't mind me asking
23:49:29   <whetherman>   i was in and out a bunch of times but fell asleep at the wheel the last round
23:49:40   <whetherman>   so if it gets to 15 - 16 i am out and happy.
23:49:52   <btcddev>   cool
23:50:05   <btcddev>   I bought a little at .008, then sold at .0085 lol
23:50:14   <whetherman>   ballsy man
23:50:17   <whetherman>   : -)
23:50:50   <whetherman>   i am trying to get out of almost everything except sn stuff
23:51:01   <whetherman>   just too exhausting trying to keep up.
23:51:41   <btcddev>   me too
23:51:50   <whetherman>   uno has been nice and predictable the last months. between 8 and 12 the whole time. but everything else is crap shoot
23:52:40   <whetherman>   plus the general level of idiocy continues unabated. nakamoto dark, a tribute to the genius, etc.
23:54:41   <btcddev>   lol
23:54:45   <btcddev>   this bear market is tough
23:56:35   <whetherman>   sure is
23:56:37   <nippybrit>   do we need Putin to wrestle it down?
23:56:54   <whetherman>   a dark winter for the soul.
23:57:18   <whetherman>   lol vlad seems to have his hands full these days.
23:57:40   <whetherman>   did u see that DOD report that concludes he has asbergers.

[Azeh]

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BitcoinDark Slack Log (2/12/15)

00:00:53   <nippybrit>   no o.O
00:01:27   <nippybrit>   did he get hit on the head while wrestling bears naked?
00:14:51   <nippybrit>   back on topic: is it already possible to anonymously send/receive BTCD?
00:16:56   <btcddev>   Teleport isn't functional yet
00:17:22   <nippybrit>   ah, have you got any estimates?
00:17:30   <nippybrit>   btw I deserve to be punched for asking that
00:17:39   <nippybrit>   and you should say "when it's ready" I guess hehe
00:17:43   <btcddev>   :simple_smile:
00:17:57   <jl777>   teleports have been working in the lab since last summer
00:18:01   <nippybrit>   and you should say "when it's ready" I guess hehe
00:18:06   <jl777>   the problem is that it is not easy to use
00:18:36   <jl777>   and more importantly there needs to be a safe way to get them input into the teleport system
00:18:55   <jl777>   so the InstantDEX and MGW will be filling these functions
00:19:10   <jl777>   and since MGW is done and I am working on InstantDEX now
00:19:14   <nippybrit>   ahh, will they use teleport in the background?
00:19:24   <jl777>   the otherway
00:19:28   <nippybrit>   shit, exciting days :simple_smile:
00:19:31   <jl777>   teleport uses them
00:19:56   <jl777>   but this is very critical to get exactly right and I am still waiting on design review feedback
00:20:09   <jl777>   so another round of patching any weaknesses found
00:20:20   <jl777>   by then I would think the GUI is being ready
00:20:31   <jl777>   so I can say for sure that it will be ready on
00:20:47   <nippybrit>   <undetermined_future_date>
00:20:55   <jl777>   a Tuesday
00:21:10   <nippybrit>   great
00:21:21   <jl777>   just not sure which Tuesday yet
00:21:44   <nippybrit>   will you sit on it for a whole week if it's done on a Wednesday?
00:21:51   <jl777>   yes
00:21:57   <jl777>   now i have to
00:22:01   <jl777>   and it is all your fault
00:22:15   <jl777>   by observing the future
00:22:20   <btcddev>   sorry everyone, teleport is delayed! nippybrit wants to hold james to his word :simple_smile:
00:22:30   <nippybrit>   stupid quantum mechanics!
00:22:38   <jl777>   you killed the snotkitten in the box
00:22:46   <nippybrit>   haha
00:22:58   <nippybrit>   I couldn't help but lift the lid
00:23:09   <btcddev>   james can you speculate as to drk's recent price rise?
00:23:26   <crackers>   speculate?
00:23:34   <crackers>   they released their instant tx's
00:23:37   <btcddev>   or did i miss some announcement?
00:23:39   <btcddev>   oh
00:23:39   <nippybrit>   did any new poker services start using it?
00:24:14   <btcddev>   crackers is darksend still closed source?
00:24:35   <jl777>   i hope the instant drk is stable...
00:24:48   <crackers>   darkcointalk.org/threads/v0-11-1-instantx-release.3923
00:25:07   <crackers>   not sure anout darksend...
00:25:16   <crackers>   thoguht it all was?
00:25:50   <btcddev>   all of darkcoin is closed source?
00:26:15   <nippybrit>   maybe it's also in multiple quantum states
00:26:19   <nippybrit>   so they can't open it
00:26:24   <jl777>   "v0.11.1 utilizes a fully implemented version of InstantX. To try InstantX, use the QT wallet and simply click the “InstantX” checkbox when sending money. Funds send using InstantX will gain 5 masternode-level confirmations within seconds from the network, then within an average of 1.25 minutes a 6th block-level confirmation will make funds spendable on most websites."
00:26:47   <jl777>   so with their Instant tx is it as fast as NXT and BTCD
00:26:52   <btcddev>   To lock a transaction via IX, 15 of 25 elected masternodes must respond by voting
00:27:18   <whetherman>   nice overall presentation of information.
00:27:28   <jl777>   this just sounds a bit dangerous, for the entire blockchain to use this....
00:27:48   <jl777>   it is one thing for offchain things as it has the blockchain to crosscheck against
00:28:11   <jl777>   but having the blockchain essentially use offchain consensus of 15 nodes...
00:28:41   <nippybrit>   I wonder how they ensure that the elected nodes are trustworthy
00:28:51   <jl777>   so if any group gets control of 15 masternodes they could collude?
00:28:57   <jl777>   probably they select randomly
00:29:04   <nippybrit>   maybe they randomly get reelected quite frequently?
00:29:08   <nippybrit>   would that prevent collusion?
00:29:25   <jl777>   so as long as the masternodes are secure there wont be any problems
00:29:33   <jl777>   unless
00:29:39   <jl777>   the network forks
00:29:52   <crackers>   the owner of the MN don't have conroll of being elected... or control if they get MN payments
00:29:57   <crackers>   AFAIK
00:30:03   <jl777>   and they do all the time. so how are forks resolved in IX->IX->IX is already approved?
00:30:10   <crackers>   but yeah I'm not sure how their algo works for selection
00:30:25   <jl777>   lets assume they are random selecting
00:30:37   <jl777>   so 2/3rd control of MN and its dead
00:30:44   <crackers>   someone was already able to hack into the MN network and take MN payments, but was fixed
00:30:54   <jl777>   but even 1/3rd control will lead to exposure
00:31:06   <crackers>   yeah
00:31:13   <jl777>   but these are expensive to obtain so probably this wont happen for a while
00:31:15   <crackers>   someone was already able to hack into the MN network and take MN payments, but was fixed
00:31:37   <jl777>   the bigger question is what will happen if the network itself naturally hits a 4 block reorg?
00:32:06   <jl777>   without any attacks, just normal blockchain instability
00:33:05   <jl777>   if they are recommending to exchanges that after 1 minute it is spendable then all the IX is now BTC and then gone, but the network rewinds so whoever traded for BTC is now missing the DRK...
00:33:35   <jl777>   so only the MN are making new DRK blocks?
00:33:49   <jl777>   that means all the wallets are just passive watching
00:33:56   <btcddev>   github.com/darkcoin/darkcoin/blob/master/src/instantx.cpp
00:35:51   <btcddev>   What is normal darkcoin blocktime? IX takes 1.25 minutes
00:36:14   <btcddev>   What is normal darkcoin blocktime? IX takes 1.25 minutes
00:37:17   <btcddev>   ah, 2.5 minutes
00:37:43   <jl777>   so they lock the inputs to prevent double spending them
00:37:54   <jl777>   which is not bad, but what about the outputs?
00:38:16   <jl777>   they appear to be valid after the instantTX? if so they can be immediately spent
00:39:02   <jl777>   so the big question is can these instant outputs be immediately spent.
00:39:17   <jl777>   DRK is becoming less and less decentralized...
00:39:35   <btcddev>   Immediately after the 15 MN I guess
00:40:30   <jl777>   so one little fork and a bunch of people are losing money?
00:41:10   <btcddev>   What is a 'top' masternode?
00:41:17   <btcddev>   //txlock - Locks transaction
//
//step 1.) Broadcast intention to lock transaction inputs, "txlreg", CTransaction
//step 2.) Top 10 masternodes, open connect to top 1 masternode. Send "txvote", CTransaction, Signature, Approve
//step 3.) Top 1 masternode, waits for 10 messages. Upon success, sends "txlock'
00:41:41   <jl777>   i imagine one masternode is more equal than the others
00:41:47   <jl777>   and coordinates the voting nodes
00:42:05   <btcddev>   what if the top1 mn is an attacker
00:42:07   <jl777>   so actually if you control that one, you wont need 2/3's
00:42:52   <btcddev>   Surely they aren't depending a tx approval on 1 mn...
00:42:59   <jl777>   I just get a bad feeling about this. It could well be just fine, but has it been reviewed by the top bitcoin guys?
00:43:21   <jl777>   step 3)... sends "txlock"
00:43:46   <jl777>   so one node can decide to lock the inputs and i think that makes the tx valid for all the nodes.
00:43:53   <jl777>   this is like ripple
00:44:08   <btcddev>   yeah it seems so
00:44:22   <jl777>   i wonder if they will also just arbitarily revoke specific tx like ripple does
00:44:22   <btcddev>   I suppose the top1 is randomly picked?
00:44:52   <jl777>   well it is a very courageous thing DRK is doing
00:48:05   <btcddev>   Do we know how many masternodes there are?
00:50:59   <whetherman>   420 btc support wall on bfx at 12
00:52:02   <btcddev>   wow
00:52:08   <whetherman>   my math must be wrong. or is it?
00:52:21   <jl777>   i wonder how it handles cases like: bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=46370.msg552390#msg552390
00:52:32   <whetherman>   35000 drk
00:54:11   <crackers>   btcddev: here is a list of all the masternode as well as their IP's and ports :open_mouth: drk.mn/masternodes.html
00:56:48   <btcddev>   Thanks, currently 1921
00:58:17   <jl777>   1921, that's a good number
00:58:53   <jl777>   so if it is random selected not compromised, etc. the only problem is the blockchain reorgs that are going to happen
01:13:25   <jl777>   i wonder how it handles cases like: bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=46370.msg552390#msg552390
02:18:55   <cryptosleuth>   need btcd < 0.005 for a few more days pls everyone
02:19:18   <cryptosleuth>   i still have to buy 400
02:23:36   <nippybrit>   getting $1k dollars worth or so?
02:26:25   <cryptosleuth>   i wish BTC was still worth that much
02:27:06   <nippybrit>   I don't xD
02:48:06   <btcddev>   I wonder how the dumpers feel who just sold for .003
02:48:52   <nippybrit>   either sad or fascinated by the next shiny object
02:49:01   <nippybrit>   or distracted by a squirrel
02:50:38   <btcddev>   
04:36:42   <jahl>   i wonder how that guy feels with his wall at 400k
04:36:56   <jahl>   i don't think he was able to buy the entire amount back lower
05:13:17   <cryptosleuth>   i still have to buy 400
14:06:30   <jl777>   dont know botbot, noashh knows these things

[clovis A.]

Thanks for posting the slack logs Azeh!  Greatly enjoyed the commentary on DRK and it's current rise.  I have been curious about the instant TX; it's good to hear James and BTCDdev's perspective on this

144,395

[elenorrigby]

Good on ya Azeh : -)

[jl777]

Thanks for posting the slack logs Azeh!  Greatly enjoyed the commentary on DRK and it's current rise.  I have been curious about the instant TX; it's good to hear James and BTCDdev's perspective on this

144,395

I spent all of 10 minutes on the analysis and most of that was reading the BTT thread on blockchain reorgs. This is happening a lot, like waves in the ocean. that is why 3 to 6 confirms for BTC and its petahash network and 10 minute blocktimes. You start taking shortcuts and...

With the MGW work I am having to get 100% consensus on 3 different nodes. even when they are in the same data center, they are not always agreeing, certainly not with just 1 confirmation. When they are scattered around the world, then it is much worse.

So the key question is on a fast send if that can be spent right away and if it can and it is withdrawn as BTC and the blockchain reorgs, then...

I dont have answers (positive or negative), just some few questions

James

[ATCkit]

i'm getting an error message saying my wallet can't get a lock on the database.
So I backed up my conf file and wallet and re installed the BTCD dark qt. Then i reinserted my wallet.dat and BTCD.conf file into my btcd roaming file.

Now my wallet says it has no active connections.

Any ideas how to resolve this?