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July 15, 2015, 08:49:22 PM
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I have followed the BTC hardfork/blocksize increase debate with pleasure- that include the critiscism by Drak, Todd, but also core dev Wladimir van der Laan(see for example his response: https://www.mail-archive.com/bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net/msg08354.html) and many others. Drak has put a strong voice in the debate that on one moment frustrated the 'pusher' Andreessen and his mate Hearn, who probably didn't expect to receive such strong opposition. It may have given indirectly some attention to Viacoin, though it seems not have been Drak's primary intention.
Andreessen now has put his proposal now as BIP101. No idea what will happen next. 10MB increase every two years?

Drak had recently given much attention to LTC: Surely he made lots of profit during the crazy LTC-bull rally, but it may also be linked to VIA being Scrypt and the upcoming LTC(halving).
  
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July 15, 2015, 09:14:43 PM
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you know all the commits are just cloning from bitcoin's code?
development has stopped after peter todd was paid some ico money to do some work.

Nothing wrong with some good interaction(in both ways) between Bitcoin development and VIA dev.
Check: Checklocktimeverify. Check BTC dev-contributers who directly and indirectly have helped VIA.
This close interaction is one of the reasons I am interested in VIA.

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July 15, 2015, 09:24:12 PM
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dead shitcoin.
Oh yeah, oneliners, welcome to BTC-talk!
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July 15, 2015, 09:43:01 PM
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The one admonishing this dev as only crypto-toilet paper would be, is names Adressen, Gavin Andressen. Look him up...

Can you link that? I've looked through the commits for this coin. I've checked out a lot the development. All development here has been top notch. It looks to have had some ICOs, and maybe the funds were not carefully handled. That happens in all ventures. But the business dealings of the developers are of no concern to me.

I look at coin itself and the actual code. I look at maintenance. I don't really care if someone lost some money on a coin. That's not what gives it value.

Among alts, I have found only a few that are in this class. Some are better, yes, but VIA should be a top 30 market cap at least, going purely by features and development.

A shitcoin doesn't work as a coin. A shitcoin isn't even the same as a coin that has nothing to offer.

From everything I've found about this coin, it is in neither of the above categories. I know that investors are important, but I also know that it's the coin that makes the value.

you know all the commits are just cloning from bitcoin's code?

development has stopped after peter todd was paid some ico money to do some work.


You have oversimplified development. It is good that btcdrak has kept VIA current with the newest fixes to the bitcoin core. That's not a minus. It's a plus. Integrating good ideas and inventions from others is a strength, not a weakness. It is a strategy seen all over industry. For example, the LCD screen in my iPhone was not invented by Apple. But the fact does not reduce the value of my phone, it adds to it.

The pervasive shitcoin mentality is that all new commits must be original. This attitude harms the crypto landscape. I think it actually stifles progress.

The reason I like VIA is that it attempts to pull the best ideas (in the mind of the VIA devs) from cryptocurrencies and integrate them sensibly into one product. There is no distraction with novel, partially working bells and whistles that serve little purpose other than ornamentation. The features I like about this coin are precisely those you probably dislike.

Also, development never stops on working coins that have even a modicum of a community. Want proof? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=860075.0 (That's not an endorsement of flappy coin.)
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July 16, 2015, 12:16:30 AM
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Barrabas is my buy signal (not the coins he promotes though).


-- I never, ever, "supported" Paycoin.



you liar piece of shit.

anyone can read there how you supported the Paycoin scam in January and February. When everyone could see it was a scam and people were loosing money in big time, you were still shilling for Garza.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=900970



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July 16, 2015, 12:56:12 AM
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Barrabas is my buy signal (not the coins he promotes though).


-- I never, ever, "supported" Paycoin.



you liar piece of shit.

anyone can read there how you supported the Paycoin scam in January and February. When everyone could see it was a scam and people were loosing money in big time, you were still shilling for Garza.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=900970





It was so easy to have put the link and let everyone judge by themselves and draw their own conclusions. But you couldn't help but showing your bastardly, low life condition ah? Funny.
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July 16, 2015, 06:20:07 AM
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I like viacoin but i don`t understand you with via is helping the ecosystem.

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July 16, 2015, 09:00:10 AM
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Ok i understand everything you`re saying but, problem for me is that dev isn`t active enough.

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July 16, 2015, 11:10:19 AM
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I don't thinks that's a problem, merchant acceptance/adoption and lack of applications built on the clearinghouse protocol might be but overall that's more a case of the the wider community not using all the tools at it's disposal

If there's specific development you would like to see then you're welcome to post them there's a release schedule on the Viacoin blog site http://blog.viacoin.org/2015/03/27/viacoin-release-schedule.htm you can add comment there.

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July 16, 2015, 11:15:31 AM
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Ok i understand everything you`re saying but, problem for me is that dev isn`t active enough.

Active on what? He is a developer who released a fine quality open source digital currency. It seems to me he works on the software, but where his digital currency goes whether it will be successful or not depend on many factors, not least on the community.

The activity of btcdrak, even if he would be hyper active in here 24/7 wouldn't solve the underlying problems regarding the slow adoption of crypto currencies and particularly altcoins.
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July 16, 2015, 06:21:08 PM
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I don't thinks that's a problem, merchant acceptance/adoption and lack of applications built on the clearinghouse protocol might be but overall that's more a case of the the wider community not using all the tools at it's disposal

If there's specific development you would like to see then you're welcome to post them there's a release schedule on the Viacoin blog site http://blog.viacoin.org/2015/03/27/viacoin-release-schedule.htm you can add comment there.

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http://blog.viacoin.org/2015/03/27/viacoin-release-schedule.html

Yingsena dropped the "L". Try that one.
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July 16, 2015, 07:26:06 PM
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Ok i understand everything you`re saying but, problem for me is that dev isn`t active enough.

Active on what? He is a developer who released a fine quality open source digital currency. It seems to me he works on the software, but where his digital currency goes whether it will be successful or not depend on many factors, not least on the community.

The activity of btcdrak, even if he would be hyper active in here 24/7 wouldn't solve the underlying problems regarding the slow adoption of crypto currencies and particularly altcoins.


While the community's actions could -although rarely are- help, the work of the developer is not -as a matter of fact should not be- to do the actual developing, which BTCDrak has outsourced, for instance, to Peter Todd and others. . And the community (or his investors) must support that development providing the means, either with direct cooperation and ideas or with MEAS/MONEY. That's why BTCDrak made his IPO. Problem is that he considers that his personal money and hasn't invested a single raw cent in promoting the coin anywhere. How is there going to be any adoption, or even consideration of such, if no one that could maybe adopt it even know that it exist? The developer has to DEVELOP the project, not necessarily code himself. Or do any of the specific actions that must be taken. But he has to PAY for them to be done. Just like he had no problem in paying Peter Todd. He is I'm afraid so ... I was going to say stupid but let just leave it at business-impaired, that said to me he was willing to pay for marketing/promotion but "... only if guaranteed specific results". Which is, I'm sorry, plain stupid. You devise a plan, implement it and, if you chose the right plan, and follow it, you will obtain some results. Which can be -and usually are- not even remotely closed to what you expect. This is true for small investments and for muli million dollar campaigns of very well established corporations.

The end result is that NOTHING is done. At all. And the project languishes toward obsoletism since anything that VIA can do, multitude others can do better. And are marketed/promoted with various degrees of success.

Appealing to the community for anything other than money, is not just futile it is way counter productive. Even when -as is the case- there are members with great ideas bent on implementing them by themselves. I remember there was a member of VIA that wanted, for months if not years- to implement a ledger for art works etc. Excellent idea, no question. Excellent idea that has gone, of course, nowhere like any other goes nowhere and produces that not even that one can be done by others, professional ones, paid professional ones, preferably. It is just an example.

BTCDrak enjoys his ICO money, his posting in Twitter and hobnobbing -even if ridiculed- with the elite of crypto. And doing nothing else. And hence the reason why a project that had a reasonable chance of relative success is going and will go nowhere.
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July 17, 2015, 04:29:53 AM
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Ok i understand everything you`re saying but, problem for me is that dev isn`t active enough.

Active on what? He is a developer who released a fine quality open source digital currency. It seems to me he works on the software, but where his digital currency goes whether it will be successful or not depend on many factors, not least on the community.

The activity of btcdrak, even if he would be hyper active in here 24/7 wouldn't solve the underlying problems regarding the slow adoption of crypto currencies and particularly altcoins.


While the community's actions could -although rarely are- help, the work of the developer is not -as a matter of fact should not be- to do the actual developing, which BTCDrak has outsourced, for instance, to Peter Todd and others. . And the community (or his investors) must support that development providing the means, either with direct cooperation and ideas or with MEAS/MONEY. That's why BTCDrak made his IPO. Problem is that he considers that his personal money and hasn't invested a single raw cent in promoting the coin anywhere. How is there going to be any adoption, or even consideration of such, if no one that could maybe adopt it even know that it exist? The developer has to DEVELOP the project, not necessarily code himself. Or do any of the specific actions that must be taken. But he has to PAY for them to be done. Just like he had no problem in paying Peter Todd. He is I'm afraid so ... I was going to say stupid but let just leave it at business-impaired, that said to me he was willing to pay for marketing/promotion but "... only if guaranteed specific results". Which is, I'm sorry, plain stupid. You devise a plan, implement it and, if you chose the right plan, and follow it, you will obtain some results. Which can be -and usually are- not even remotely closed to what you expect. This is true for small investments and for muli million dollar campaigns of very well established corporations.

The end result is that NOTHING is done. At all. And the project languishes toward obsoletism since anything that VIA can do, multitude others can do better. And are marketed/promoted with various degrees of success.

Appealing to the community for anything other than money, is not just futile it is way counter productive. Even when -as is the case- there are members with great ideas bent on implementing them by themselves. I remember there was a member of VIA that wanted, for months if not years- to implement a ledger for art works etc. Excellent idea, no question. Excellent idea that has gone, of course, nowhere like any other goes nowhere and produces that not even that one can be done by others, professional ones, paid professional ones, preferably. It is just an example.

BTCDrak enjoys his ICO money, his posting in Twitter and hobnobbing -even if ridiculed- with the elite of crypto. And doing nothing else. And hence the reason why a project that had a reasonable chance of relative success is going and will go nowhere.

I thought it was made clear that the ICO was for development, kinda contradict yourself implying that the ICO was for personal gain and that development was outsourced.  

Your complaining about NOTHING really aren't you?

"BTCDrak enjoys his ICO money, his posting in Twitter and hobnobbing"  

- Ridiculed! Crypto Elite!   Oh No, The Sky Is Falling  

Transmission 35 - Bitcoin Blocksize, Knights of the Satoshi, Coin Cadence, BTCDrak, Genesis Mining
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgx8jziR9p0  - a lot of hobnobbing going on here !


" I remember there was a member of VIA that wanted, for months if not years- to implement a ledger for art works etc." Erik the community manager had a lot of enthusiasm for a while his site for The Morellian project is still up with a notice coming in 2015. Maybe he wanted a slice of the ICO or just ran out of steam, idk he didn't really communicate often. His "idea of ledger for artwork" wasn't unique another similar project using namecoin received funding and was underway at the time . I discussed that briefly while "hobnobbing" with BTCDrak on twitter once.


BTW have you seen the documentary "the rise and rise of Bitcoin" Btcdrak and Peter Todd can both be seen in it, hobnobbing with Crypto's Elite lol





He's also in another youtube video in which he states that whoever is holding crypto (and VIA is crypto) is "nuts" --implying he will lose most if not all his/her money.

Not very endearing from someone who pocketed the at the time value of $350,000+ in the VIA ICO.

But, considering he has no idea how to move this project forward in a way that actually makes some money to his "donors", I have to applaud such "honesty"...
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I thought it was made clear that the ICO was for development, kinda contradict yourself implying that the ICO was for personal gain and that development was outsourced.  

Your complaining about NOTHING really aren't you?

"BTCDrak enjoys his ICO money, his posting in Twitter and hobnobbing"  

- Ridiculed! Crypto Elite!   Oh No, The Sky Is Falling  

Transmission 35 - Bitcoin Blocksize, Knights of the Satoshi, Coin Cadence, BTCDrak, Genesis Mining
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgx8jziR9p0  - a lot of hobnobbing going on here !


" I remember there was a member of VIA that wanted, for months if not years- to implement a ledger for art works etc." Erik the community manager had a lot of enthusiasm for a while his site for The Morellian project is still up with a notice coming in 2015. Maybe he wanted a slice of the ICO or just ran out of steam, idk he didn't really communicate often. His "idea of ledger for artwork" wasn't unique another similar project using namecoin received funding and was underway at the time . I discussed that briefly while "hobnobbing" with BTCDrak on twitter once.


BTW have you seen the documentary "the rise and rise of Bitcoin" Btcdrak and Peter Todd can both be seen in it, hobnobbing with Crypto's Elite lol





He's also in another youtube video in which he states that whoever is holding crypto (and VIA is crypto) is "nuts" --implying he will lose most if not all his/her money.

Not very endearing from someone who pocketed the at the time value of $350,000+ in the VIA ICO.

But, considering he has no idea how to move this project forward in a way that actually makes some money to his "donors", I have to applaud such "honesty"...

If you have an idea or would like to develop something you're welcome to do so but complaining about nothing isn't going to get you anywhere is it? and that's not a huge amount of money for development, he could have put a lot of his own time, resources and money into Viacoin also. If all you're trying to do is undermine Viacoin and badmouth the creator then I've finished replying it's pointless you just don't seem to get it.

Can you provide a link for the video so I can see the context in which that was said if it was said at all.  Otherwise I'll have to conclude that you're lying or taking something out of context to fit your agenda.

We are way way and then waaaay long past suggestions, ideas and the like. If you have bothered yourself reading above -not to mention on many pages before- you would have found that I actively tried to bring some sense to the obvious handicap that BTCDrak has. And my conclusion, after wasting my time, is that he is very happy keeping the rest of the ICO money, expending whatever he wants hobnobbing as much as possible with the crypto elite and, frankly, not giving much of a damn about VIA and its inexorable  deep towards absolute lack of relevance as soon as 2.0 is implemented in some serious measure. He just doesn't WANT to "get it". Actually he doesn't want to take this project far at all and hides that fact seeking "guarantees" about results, fully knowing that no one can offer any guarantees with respect to marketing/promotion. It's just BS, nothing less nothing more. Which, naturally, corresponds with someone who knows fully well the project is pretty much over and on its elephant walk, like most of those 600 coins that  he mentions here adding that, investment-wise, you have to be nuts to put money into any and all of them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHYjxdvbuwI&feature=youtu.be&t=49m29s

Now you can look for context, excuses and some kind of validation for your decision to actually pretending to believe that there's a winning way out. There's none.
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July 17, 2015, 06:09:22 AM
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You`re right barabbas he said it.

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July 17, 2015, 01:05:58 PM
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For some reason my thread notifications had turned off, and the channel bot isn't picking up thread posts so missed the recent posts.

I am waiting for BIP66 to lock in before proceeding with the next feature set, we're stuck annoyingly at 93-94% adoption for the soft fork, when we need 95%.
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For some reason my thread notifications had turned off, and the channel bot isn't picking up thread posts so missed the recent posts.
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July 18, 2015, 02:02:57 PM
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@btcdrak Can you do something similar to this https://github.com/ethereum/wiki/wiki/White-Paper for Viacoin?, just so people can really listen- people like Gavin for instance.. They need the whitepaper to move on past some points apparently.

This is apparently not scientific enough for some.. http://blog.viacoin.org/2014/07/11/the-story-of-viacoin.html

 A paper like this might mean you need some help, can you get some help for it?



Andressen asked for the analysis and methodical science behind btcdrak's choices for Viacoin's total supply, block time and block size.

Which was in reply to btcdrak's criticism of the apparent lack of  analysis and methodical science behind Andressen's intended Bitcoin block size quick fix.

The exchange of words is filled with patronizing remarks such as "annoying troll" and "put up or shut up", hardly the language one would expect to hear from the chief scientist at the Bitcoin Foundation.

I was wrong, It's very clear that Andressen overstepped the mark the honorable thing to do would be for him to retract apologize produce the requested peer review or step down.  What's the purpose of a Bitcoin Foundation anyway other than lining the coffers of a select few





Yingsena,  you've summed up what I know.. I appreciate that, but my post up there remains unanswered.
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July 19, 2015, 05:32:04 PM
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That will be clarifying.

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July 20, 2015, 08:12:57 PM
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I hold some via but my concern is the huge inflation of 30% annually gonna kill it, no matter if this coin has been the most developed as many argue because the crypto space is evolving in a pace that via can´t afford without resources/developing or associations linked to real world, moreover BtcDrack just sits silent without answer concerns of this community watching how this drama unfold, there is no roadmap not a single word in this beheaded thread just some brave believers that prefer to think everything is ok because someone is working for them behind the scenes, the leader has to assume their on character and keep the people inform of every stage for good or for bad, answer just to tech/irrelevant questions just aggravate this because he is aware but prefer not say anything about the real issues. Sad Sad
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