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August 12, 2015, 05:46:48 PM
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anybody know what is going on with clearinghouse.io (domain expired) and clearwallet.io (domain not resolving) ?

As I explained pages ago, there is a problem with the registrar. For the other domains it is clearwallet.co, not io.
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August 12, 2015, 05:52:41 PM
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clearwallet.CO works.  thanks. 

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August 14, 2015, 10:28:46 PM
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I have a suggestion for a better block subsidy as was being discussed a few weeks ago. Sorry for lurking, but I never had anything to say before. How about introducing the more traditional block halving from a set point in the future. Something along the lines of

Code:
main.cpp:

CAmount GetBlockValue(int nHeight, const CAmount& nFees)
{
    //...
    } else if (nHeight > 1400000) {
        int halvings = nHeight / Params().SubsidyHalvingInterval(); // 675000 blocks or 6 months
        // Force block reward to zero when right shift is undefined.
        if (halvings <= 64) {
            nSubsidy = 10 * COIN;
            nSubsidy >>= halvings;
        }
    }
}
return nSubsidy + nFees;

This would reduce the block schedule significantly in about 7 months from now.
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August 15, 2015, 09:34:36 AM
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It's not a concrete proposal and it's nowhere near technically sound, I don't see Drak agreeing to a change recommendation solely for that purpose.
 
VIA updating the current website, outdated and broken links, via/xch block explorers, clearinghouse!! blog updates and community building are, in my opinion a greater priority.

I would like to see all those things updated before 'Via's big news' breaks, whatever that is!


Please correct me, but Drak always EMPHASIZED that this is a community project and hes just the "tech guy" (please no offense here, VIAs tech is still great imo). In other words: he will stay out of political or market discussions, community has to decide where the coin is going and changes can be submitted at any time. He will only use his "veto" if it hurts VIA in a technical way, otherwise every proposal that gets enough community support will be tried to be implemented.

Since mining is secured by merge mining REGARDLESS OF REWARDS, I dont see how a reduction of the inflation can hurt VIA. Quite the opposite if the fork is done professionally. I agree that website maintainence etc. has to be done as well, but since you mentioned "community building": how should this work? How has it worked the past year?

Modifying the reward schedule is a concrete chance to get some people involved again, at least getting VIA back on the radar. It's not super big news, but at least better than nothing and a step into the direction of "community building".



I have a suggestion for a better block subsidy as was being discussed a few weeks ago. Sorry for lurking, but I never had anything to say before. How about introducing the more traditional block halving from a set point in the future. Something along the lines of

Code:
main.cpp:

CAmount GetBlockValue(int nHeight, const CAmount& nFees)
{
    //...
    } else if (nHeight > 1400000) {
        int halvings = nHeight / Params().SubsidyHalvingInterval(); // 675000 blocks or 6 months
        // Force block reward to zero when right shift is undefined.
        if (halvings <= 64) {
            nSubsidy = 10 * COIN;
            nSubsidy >>= halvings;
        }
    }
}
return nSubsidy + nFees;

This would reduce the block schedule significantly in about 7 months from now.



Thank you for your suggestion and welcome to the community (whatever is left of it lol)! Good to see that VIA still has some lurkers Smiley

I'm sure the more tech savvy guys around can elaborate it better, but what I understood from your suggestion (please correct me if wrong):

1. you propose a fork that would take place in about half a year from now, giving enough time to securely plan and prepare it
2. after the fork the rewards will be halved every 6 months
3. if my math is not too much off and its based on the current schedule (about 32MM blocks altogether), it would mean we end with about 23-25MM VIA coins => total supply of VIA down to lets say 24MM coins (from current 92MM)

Not sure if its intended to have a similar amount as BTC in the end, but I personally kinda like the idea Smiley
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August 15, 2015, 03:09:28 PM
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I assume around 50 million total number would be more advisable with the block reward degrading over time say keep the same reward up to 22.5 mil, then 25 in one year, 27 two years, 28.5 3 years, 29.9 4 years. 31.2 5 years , 32.4 years, 33.5 - 7 years and then 0.25m/ year to a total of 44-48 million though i would go for 44
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August 16, 2015, 12:26:51 AM
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Translated into plain English:
Via isn't making us rich fast enough so we want to cull the majority of coins still to be mined in an effort to push the price up like quantitative hardening.

Doesn't sound like an advancement in coin tech to me, sounds like market manipulation actually and if you are willing to destroy now then what's to say you won't feel like 'creating' later?

Changing the block size, mining algorithm etc seems fine and natural but fucking with the quantity is very ECB and bang out of order.
You knew what boat you were boarding before it sailed so either hold on for the ride or dump ship.
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August 16, 2015, 05:02:54 AM
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we need to revive this coin..because im following this coin from the start..

the price is defleted and need more innovation..via coin is a good coin but need more community

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August 16, 2015, 11:39:09 AM
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Changing the block reward make sense because mining rewards are the incentive to mine. Viacoin changed to merged mining, now it doesnt need to compete for miners. There is plenty precedent for this, including DOGE. I would be quite happy to submit a patch if it will get some serious attention.
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August 16, 2015, 12:04:37 PM
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hola!!  Grin Grin as irc and reddit seems to not have this debate & this supply change is important considersation i finally registered for here.....im a small stack holder but +1 for a change! do not care though to what is it changed, developer know what works. viacoin needs volume back.....  Huh Cry Undecided
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August 17, 2015, 09:48:53 AM
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Changing the supply wont fix the price and that is a stupid reason to make a change.  If you want the price to go up, people need to use the network.  Marketing for clearinghouse may be a better approach. 

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August 17, 2015, 12:25:48 PM
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Changing the supply wont fix the price and that is a stupid reason to make a change.  If you want the price to go up, people need to use the network.  Marketing for clearinghouse may be a better approach. 

not getting it:

do ppl still believe in organic growth farytale in 2015?!? its so all about market action & vol, marketing and development features is just story-board.....except: huge company adapts altcoin then fomo, but chance is like 0.1%....

supply change has good chance of bringing vol + making viacoin more interesting for whales play. no whales=no movement.

I would be quite happy to submit a patch if it will get some serious attention.

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August 17, 2015, 09:01:42 PM
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Changing the supply wont fix the price and that is a stupid reason to make a change.  If you want the price to go up, people need to use the network.  Marketing for clearinghouse may be a better approach.  

not getting it:

do ppl still believe in organic growth farytale in 2015?!? its so all about market action & vol, marketing and development features is just story-board.....except: huge company adapts altcoin then fomo, but chance is like 0.1%....

supply change has good chance of bringing vol + making viacoin more interesting for whales play. no whales=no movement.

I would be quite happy to submit a patch if it will get some serious attention.

+1000

Is your head broken?  Maybe the community is dead because the only people left other than drak just want to exit pump it.  Changing the long term supply is nothing but short term hype material, it will just crash and burn again shortly after.  

Whales didn't leave because they thought the supply was too high, they left because no one is using the network and the hype died.  

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August 17, 2015, 10:32:36 PM
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I have submitted a pull request.
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August 17, 2015, 11:10:22 PM
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Changing the supply wont fix the price and that is a stupid reason to make a change.  If you want the price to go up, people need to use the network.  Marketing for clearinghouse may be a better approach.  

not getting it:

do ppl still believe in organic growth farytale in 2015?!? its so all about market action & vol, marketing and development features is just story-board.....except: huge company adapts altcoin then fomo, but chance is like 0.1%....

supply change has good chance of bringing vol + making viacoin more interesting for whales play. no whales=no movement.

I would be quite happy to submit a patch if it will get some serious attention.

+1000

Is your head broken?  Maybe the community is dead because the only people left other than drak just want to exit pump it.  Changing the long term supply is nothing but short term hype material, it will just crash and burn again shortly after.  

Whales didn't leave because they thought the supply was too high, they left because no one is using the network and the hype died.  

That's the most sensible comment that I read in this thread for a while. The "because no one is using the network and the hype died" part summarizes the main issue with Viacoin and generally with crypto.


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August 18, 2015, 03:26:15 AM
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Changing the supply wont fix the price and that is a stupid reason to make a change.  If you want the price to go up, people need to use the network.  Marketing for clearinghouse may be a better approach.  

not getting it:

do ppl still believe in organic growth farytale in 2015?!? its so all about market action & vol, marketing and development features is just story-board.....except: huge company adapts altcoin then fomo, but chance is like 0.1%....

supply change has good chance of bringing vol + making viacoin more interesting for whales play. no whales=no movement.

I would be quite happy to submit a patch if it will get some serious attention.

+1000

Is your head broken?  Maybe the community is dead because the only people left other than drak just want to exit pump it.  Changing the long term supply is nothing but short term hype material, it will just crash and burn again shortly after.  

Whales didn't leave because they thought the supply was too high, they left because no one is using the network and the hype died.  

That's the most sensible comment that I read in this thread for a while. The "because no one is using the network and the hype died" part summarizes the main issue with Viacoin and generally with crypto.




To all altcoins that hope to have a future:- cooperate or die. Unique features don't cut it anymore , nice graphics either  Cheesy

Find two or more good devs , let them build a bridge between their coins , let the community market the idea and voila, adoption!! Adoption == volume == utility == cloud 9.

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August 18, 2015, 03:36:52 AM
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Changing the supply wont fix the price and that is a stupid reason to make a change.  If you want the price to go up, people need to use the network.  Marketing for clearinghouse may be a better approach.  

not getting it:

do ppl still believe in organic growth farytale in 2015?!? its so all about market action & vol, marketing and development features is just story-board.....except: huge company adapts altcoin then fomo, but chance is like 0.1%....

supply change has good chance of bringing vol + making viacoin more interesting for whales play. no whales=no movement.

I would be quite happy to submit a patch if it will get some serious attention.

+1000


Is your head broken?  Maybe the community is dead because the only people left other than drak just want to exit pump it.  Changing the long term supply is nothing but short term hype material, it will just crash and burn again shortly after.  

Whales didn't leave because they thought the supply was too high, they left because no one is using the network and the hype died.  

That's the most sensible comment that I read in this thread for a while. The "because no one is using the network and the hype died" part summarizes the main issue with Viacoin and generally with crypto.




To all altcoins that hope to have a future:- cooperate or die. Unique features don't cut it anymore , nice graphics either  Cheesy

Find two or more good devs , let them build a bridge between their coins , let the community market the idea and voila, adoption!! Adoption == volume == utility == cloud 9.


Yes, that sounds absolutely right and a good plan. When should we start that and how? :-))))

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August 18, 2015, 05:01:14 AM
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I posted this in the XCH thread but it is relevant here too:

http://bravenewcoin.com/news/spells-of-genesis-raises-over-240-bitcoin-in-2-hours/
http://www.spellsofgenesis.com/users/token_system
http://bitcrystals.github.io/

“By putting digital game assets directly on the Bitcoin blockchain, Spells of Genesis has initiated a new megatrend. Everyone will be doing this soon.” 
- Eric Voorhees CEO ShapeShift.io



If we get projects like this to use clearinghouse then Viacoin will have a purpose.  We won't need to compete for hype material with the newest shitcoins for whales to be interested.


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August 18, 2015, 07:37:53 AM
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Changing the supply wont fix the price and that is a stupid reason to make a change.  If you want the price to go up, people need to use the network.  Marketing for clearinghouse may be a better approach.  

not getting it:

do ppl still believe in organic growth farytale in 2015?!? its so all about market action & vol, marketing and development features is just story-board.....except: huge company adapts altcoin then fomo, but chance is like 0.1%....

supply change has good chance of bringing vol + making viacoin more interesting for whales play. no whales=no movement.

I would be quite happy to submit a patch if it will get some serious attention.

+1000


Is your head broken?  Maybe the community is dead because the only people left other than drak just want to exit pump it.  Changing the long term supply is nothing but short term hype material, it will just crash and burn again shortly after.  

Whales didn't leave because they thought the supply was too high, they left because no one is using the network and the hype died.  

That's the most sensible comment that I read in this thread for a while. The "because no one is using the network and the hype died" part summarizes the main issue with Viacoin and generally with crypto.




To all altcoins that hope to have a future:- cooperate or die. Unique features don't cut it anymore , nice graphics either  Cheesy

Find two or more good devs , let them build a bridge between their coins , let the community market the idea and voila, adoption!! Adoption == volume == utility == cloud 9.


Yes, that sounds absolutely right and a good plan. When should we start that and how? :-))))



Well, i have already started on my side in the hopes of creating a proof of concept, i have opened up the filters on my base client to recognize other blockchains, and am now studying to figure a way that blockchains can communicate. I'm not a very talented dev, but with time i'll get there. Also looking into adding colored coins into the base client.

One of the biggest steps we are taking form traditional mining/minting is the removal of useless competitive mining. The vast majority of coins are being mined at a loss, and as though that's not enough, there is not enough buy support to justified these "market caps". So we are introducing a bidding based system that actually backs the currency's value rather that pouring money into Amazon and AMD's coffers.

Just to put some perspective....imagine if all the billions spent on graphics cards ASICs and amazon instances had been invested directly into backing a coin... we estimated a BTC would have had a tentative value upwards of $5000.

Would be great if Viacoin and BCR worked together to realize some amazing advances.

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August 18, 2015, 07:38:47 AM
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I posted this in the XCH thread but it is relevant here too:

http://bravenewcoin.com/news/spells-of-genesis-raises-over-240-bitcoin-in-2-hours/
http://www.spellsofgenesis.com/users/token_system
http://bitcrystals.github.io/

“By putting digital game assets directly on the Bitcoin blockchain, Spells of Genesis has initiated a new megatrend. Everyone will be doing this soon.” 
- Eric Voorhees CEO ShapeShift.io



If we get projects like this to use clearinghouse then Viacoin will have a purpose.  We won't need to compete for hype material with the newest shitcoins for whales to be interested.



Very smart!!!

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August 18, 2015, 07:43:31 AM
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I installed the Android wallet to send a few VIA to and it can't pick up any peers. I notice a "Trusted Peer" setting. What can I fill in so that I can get the wallet working? It's version 4.12 downloaded from Google Play.

Also when I open it from the My Apps section of Google Play it says a new version is available. When I click on "Play" it takes me to the version I already have. When I click "Download" it takes me to a 404 page under user Schildbach.


I am afraid the developer of that mobile wallet vanished and never upgraded it for the merged mining hard fork.

If the mobile wallet is known not to be working, could the links to it be removed from viacoin.org etc...


Drak will you develop new android wallet for merge mining?

https://github.com/esotericizm/viacoin-wallet

That's the source. Thankfully it's available.

I'm too poor to buy a lot of VIA right now, but I'd try to get it working for a reasonable bounty in VIA.

I think it would add some luster back to the VIA brand. I've spent a lot of time checking out VIA and it looks to be the real deal. But IMHO it needs a tune up, no offense to the devs. This really should be a top 20-30 coin. There isn't any reason why it shouldn't be except for some of these frayed ends.


Marcus, have you got the mobile wallet working?



I removed the links. The developer has stopped responding to PMs. I haven't gone chasing him in public although he is still active on the BCT forums. I suspect he's just embarrassed to reply.
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