bustabit.com -- The Social Gambling Game

[RHavar]

Well that progressed quickly.

So apparently you're an established paypal scammer. Going through the bustabit chat logs I can connect you to at least one paypal scam done against jessica43 using your paypal gainonlinemoneyprofits@gmail.com, as well as a bit of a betcoin referral spammer. I'm not sure it matters as your bitcointalk account is a throw away, but I'll leave you negative trust for being a scammer anyway.

It's rather unprofessional of me to say, but I'm rather glad you lost money. I hope it hurt and is a memory that you can reflect on it to learn some empathy for some of your scam victims and perhaps grow up to become a decent human being.

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On a lighter note, we've just hit 660k bitcoin wagered. Hopefully 2017 will see us as the most popular bitcoin gambling site, I hope =)

[YAYOBROBRO]

hmmmm.lol. The man trys to pull anything when he is stealing your money and doesn't want to pay it back. I have no clue what this man is talking about nor do i care. All i care about is the Money you owe. I made a website for you and will be updating it will all the pictures and messages from you. If that is your crappy excuse Rha wut ever not to pay me my 52k because you think you know whats what lol. It wouldn't surprise me that the second i ever sold something to some 1 on your site and told them its sent a charge back hit lol. You think im dumb enough to not play my cards? Also your trying to pretty much saying im tryna scam my 52k back out of you but clearly all the pics show different. I will say anon will love you. I just hope your smart enough to pay what you owe instead of making excuses over 52k pathetic bits. Are you the broke? I know my complaints are straight about whats right and wrong?  All im doing is warning you to pay me my money your site stiffed me for. I have the proof you have it. Not sure what more there is to say?

Honestly when a man says blackmail - obviously the man know theres truth and hiding something!

Here i will have the website done in a few days so everyone can. See Speculations means nothing. Proof is in the puddn baby.

Pay up!!

Untill then i guess your going -1 for this unless you make it right. I take my losses obviously you can see Dinggyyyyy!!

Heres the website it will be under! I will SEO it later.

http://bustabit.weebly.com/discover.html

From here on it i promise im busting out any bs on any casino or dice site i play at. My friends The Truth Unfolds!

[YAYOBROBRO]

Perfect. That site seems like a great place for documenting it. I'd also recommend crossposting to: https://www.reddit.com/r/RyanisScum/  for maximum exposure.

You know wht i even sent you the chat of Dexton saying that you timing for dissconnect was off your own DEV/MOD and you still havent tried doing anything.

why do you want to be known like this? I mean i wouldnt be suprised if you paid jessica to come here nd do that i mean she wouldnt have found this thread anyways lol. Just goes to show you would rather pay to be Shiesty then pay your faults.


You must be one of those french frie men who think there everything and are never right. I suggeset you check your email and reply. I will make it my personal mission every day since i dont have to work, to literally make sure i ruin you for stealing.

As a matter of fact im going to buy a bustabit.net or what ever i can find and make sure that website is linked to pop up for it so they know what you did.

[dooglus]

This will be my last reply, please update your website or post on that hater reddit in the future.

I think you've fed that particular troll enough already.

[YAYOBROBRO]

This will be my last reply, please update your website or post on that hater reddit in the future.

I think you've fed that particular troll enough already.

No need to be a true the proof is up go ahead and view it! I have more then that also. I mean i dont need to troll of bs over a few bucks. But he just dont want to admit his fault when his own mods/dev helper admits it shoulda paid me out when i dc.

[YAYOBROBRO]

This will be my last reply, please update your website or post on that hater reddit in the future.

You know wht i even sent you the chat of Dexton saying that you timing for dissconnect was off your own DEV/MOD and you still havent tried doing anything.

I have no idea what you're talking about, but this would make great material to publish on your website.

why do you want to be known like this? I mean i wouldnt be suprised if you paid jessica to come here nd do that i mean she wouldnt have found this thread anyways lol. Just goes to show you would rather pay to be Shiesty then pay your faults.

Why would I pay your scam victim to come here? (In fact, she doesn't have a bitcointalk account but sent me a full copy of the emails which I could validate for authenticity and also validate that it was tied to the email address you sent in bustabit chat). In fact, your own stories are inconsistent. In one of them, you tell you never sent the bitcoin because you were charged-back before you had a chance to send them. Yet your conversation logs have you trying to convince her to remove the charge back, because "why did you do a chargeback when i sent you the bits? i use coinbase they take a few to confirm" which is clearly false, as the timestamps have hours elapsing and no bitcoin transaction was ever made.

You must be one of those french frie men who think there everything and are never right. I suggeset you check your email and reply. I will make it my personal mission every day since i dont have to work, to literally make sure i ruin you for stealing.

You might be better using your time to .... get a job?

As a matter of fact im going to buy a bustabit.net or what ever i can find and make sure that website is linked to pop up for it so they know what you did.

Actually, I believe that domain was already purchased by a domain scalper who was trying to sell it to me for 1 bitcoin so it didn't fall into "scammers hands". I'm sure he'd be happy to sell it to you for the same price.

Does anything give you the right to now fix your mistakes? Do you have to be right all the time? I mean the proof is there. Your the one who will regret it overtime.

Just remember you own a ponzi " business" so your stuck to certain thing you can do. Im not. And again america is the land of free baby. I posted proof its there. I mean i want to know how i can freeze and it still do a 30k bet 2 bets after? no option to cancle nor stop? I even tried to chalk it with you to half. I mean You even admitted there was a problem in your emails but you cant do nothing cause its not fair. Like what other players sent you proof lol?


The Website With The PROOF! http://bustabit.weebly.com/discover.html


"In fact, she doesn't have a bitcointalk account" Words from The bustabit man who lies. ..... Go Check my feedbck before you try lying some more.

[YAYOBROBRO]

Nothing to say now right? What you thought i didn't have more proof? Fix Your Issues and Admit your problems. Ill tell You what instead of posting something else If you admit your at fault you can keep the money but i will not take off your negative feedback and i will go on linked in and everywhere just to post what you did to me untill im paid back for your server kicking me off while playing.

[RHavar]

So just a bit of update, the good news is bustabit v2 is coming along nicely. There will be very little impact to players (all accounts and balances will be carried over, so there's no need to worry). I'm hoping within a month there will be an open beta for everyone to play around with.

The main features are:
  * Rewritten server from scratch, designed for much better security characteristics and better performance
  * Leveraged investments. Basically a straight rip off of just-dice.com (sorry dooglus, but it's too well designed to ignore) including only 10% commission on profit
  * Dilution compensation where new investors need to pay old investors to compensate them for being diluted
  * A reward system for gamblers (that should roughly give them 50% of their house edge back)
  * An investor gambling incentive system (that should incentivize investors to gamble themself, or effectively pay gamblers to do so on their behalf)


Note: everything is still up in the air, including timeline. But it's coming along well 

[YAYOBROBRO]

So Just a Bit Of A Up Date on BUSTABIT AKA RYAN

He Still Has not sent me a email trying to pay the .052 that was lost by his server connection issues.

His own Developer Helper even stated when disconnected it should cashed out. Though i don't see how the 30k bet happend 2 bets later and i wasn't able to cancel nor stop it

But, just went and made a report and will be sending to ican and a few other places.

I will say this BUSTABIT does not fix problems if they occur they ignore them and try to justify it. 

Proof is in the puddin baby!!

http://bustabit.weebly.com/discover.html

[kolloh]

So just a bit of update, the good news is bustabit v2 is coming along nicely. There will be very little impact to players (all accounts and balances will be carried over, so there's no need to worry). I'm hoping within a month there will be an open beta for everyone to play around with.

The main features are:
  * Rewritten server from scratch, designed for much better security characteristics and better performance
  * Leveraged investments. Basically a straight rip off of just-dice.com (sorry dooglus, but it's too well designed to ignore) including only 10% commission on profit
  * Dilution compensation where new investors need to pay old investors to compensate them for being diluted
  * A reward system for gamblers (that should roughly give them 50% of their house edge back)
  * An investor gambling incentive system (that should incentivize investors to gamble themself, or effectively pay gamblers to do so on their behalf)


Note: everything is still up in the air, including timeline. But it's coming along well  

Some interesting features there. Rewarding investors for gambling could be interesting. I'm wondering how the dilution compensation would work though. How much are new investors paying old investors to compensate them? Is it a flat fee when they choose to invest?

[RHavar]

Some interesting features there. Rewarding investors for gambling could be interesting. I'm wondering how the dilution compensation would work though. How much are new investors paying old investors to compensate them? Is it a flat fee when they choose to invest?

In the current code I have, it's 10%. But you get a little back, so it's always <= 10%

So if you want to invest 100 BTC, what happens is 10 BTC gets taken from that and you invest as if you invested 90 BTC. And then the 10 BTC gets given to all investors (including yourself).  The reason I do it that way, is to prevent it abuse (otherwise investors would be incentivized to make lots of tiny investments, instead of just investing at once).

My thoughts is to also have a grace period, if you invest in the first couple of days or something, you don't need to pay dilution fees at all.

[DarkDays]

So Just a Bit Of A Up Date on BUSTABIT AKA RYAN

He Still Has not sent me a email trying to pay the .052 that was lost by his server connection issues.

His own Developer Helper even stated when disconnected it should cashed out. Though i don't see how the 30k bet happend 2 bets later and i wasn't able to cancel nor stop it

But, just went and made a report and will be sending to ican and a few other places.

I will say this BUSTABIT does not fix problems if they occur they ignore them and try to justify it. 

Proof is in the puddin baby!!

http://bustabit.weebly.com/discover.html

Here's what I gather from your poorly written (seriously, if you want people to take you seriously you should try to write above a third grade level) site:

You submitted a bet.  The bet was 22k @ 100x cash out.  You lost connection.  When this happens, the game keeps running!  The last input the game had from you was that you wanted to cash out @100x.  If you aren't there to hit "Cash Out", you aren't cashed out.  This isn't a flaw in the system, it's how the game works.  You have to tell it when to cash out, it doesn't magically read your mind (or your internet connection).  Your connection dropped (this is very likely on your end since I'm not reading anyone else saying that they were disconnected...this is why you need to make sure you are playing from a secure, steady connection) and the game crashed before it hit 100x.  So you lost.  Womp-womp.  You got reconnected, saw that you lost, and decided to place a 30k bet @ 100x.  You got disconnected again (I'd imagine it's because you were playing from mobile with 1.5 bars of 3g connection) and the same thing happened...the game crashed before it hit your designated (100x) cash out point.  I'm failing to see how any of this is anyone's fault but your own.

[kolloh]

Some interesting features there. Rewarding investors for gambling could be interesting. I'm wondering how the dilution compensation would work though. How much are new investors paying old investors to compensate them? Is it a flat fee when they choose to invest?

In the current code I have, it's 10%. But you get a little back, so it's always <= 10%

So if you want to invest 100 BTC, what happens is 10 BTC gets taken from that and you invest as if you invested 90 BTC. And then the 10 BTC gets given to all investors (including yourself).  The reason I do it that way, is to prevent it abuse (otherwise investors would be incentivized to make lots of tiny investments, instead of just investing at once).

My thoughts is to also have a grace period, if you invest in the first couple of days or something, you don't need to pay dilution fees at all.

Yeah a grace period would probably be a good idea. This seems like it might be especially taxing on people who wish to devest for a short time and reinvest. I guess its incentive to keep your investment in though. I wonder if there could be some way of keeping track of devested amounts so that you would only have to pay the dilution fee if you reinvest an amount over what you originally had invested? Maybe allow a window of a certain amount of time for reinvestment without repaying the dilution fee?

Almost starts to feel like a pyramid scheme with new investors paying old investors but of course its not the same since it isn't the only source of income for investors.

[BoXXoB]

Some interesting features there. Rewarding investors for gambling could be interesting. I'm wondering how the dilution compensation would work though. How much are new investors paying old investors to compensate them? Is it a flat fee when they choose to invest?

In the current code I have, it's 10%. But you get a little back, so it's always <= 10%

So if you want to invest 100 BTC, what happens is 10 BTC gets taken from that and you invest as if you invested 90 BTC. And then the 10 BTC gets given to all investors (including yourself).  The reason I do it that way, is to prevent it abuse (otherwise investors would be incentivized to make lots of tiny investments, instead of just investing at once).

My thoughts is to also have a grace period, if you invest in the first couple of days or something, you don't need to pay dilution fees at all.

Yeah a grace period would probably be a good idea. This seems like it might be especially taxing on people who wish to devest for a short time and reinvest. I guess its incentive to keep your investment in though. I wonder if there could be some way of keeping track of devested amounts so that you would only have to pay the dilution fee if you reinvest an amount over what you originally had invested? Maybe allow a window of a certain amount of time for reinvestment without repaying the dilution fee?

Almost starts to feel like a pyramid scheme with new investors paying old investors but of course its not the same since it isn't the only source of income for investors.

I also feel like 10% is a bit of a rough fee. People who invest bitcoin seem to often divest and cashout. Then later they would come and invest again. Maybe it should be changed slightly?

[RHavar]

I also feel like 10% is a bit of a rough fee. People who invest bitcoin seem to often divest and cashout. Then later they would come and invest again. Maybe it should be changed slightly?

That's also rather intentional, as it is designed to create stable investors. If there's a ~10% entrance fee (which goes to other investors, not me) it makes it more difficult to "day trade" and attract investors who are more willing to weather a storm.

I was also hoping (down the line) to do some stuff that is rather terrible for investors, without worrying about the smart/active ones divesting. Like one thing I was hoping to do is have a periodic "charity hour" where all profits from that hour will go to a charity (that takes bitcoin)  e.g. "Red Cross Charity Hour". And any loses from a charity hour would be carried forward to the next. I think it'd be fun for players, good marketing, help good causes etc. But since during those times investors would have no upside (and only downside) it's nice to incentivize them to not just temporarily divest.

Although I should try avoid getting too far sidetracked with that, but it's fun to think about =)

[BTCevo]

So Just a Bit Of A Up Date on BUSTABIT AKA RYAN

He Still Has not sent me a email trying to pay the .052 that was lost by his server connection issues.

His own Developer Helper even stated when disconnected it should cashed out. Though i don't see how the 30k bet happend 2 bets later and i wasn't able to cancel nor stop it

But, just went and made a report and will be sending to ican and a few other places.

I will say this BUSTABIT does not fix problems if they occur they ignore them and try to justify it. 

Proof is in the puddin baby!!

http://bustabit.weebly.com/discover.html

if you are disconnected you should be able to come back though if the game is still running may be you can possibly to press the cashout button but mostly it wont go until there. Usually the game should be done already before you connect it back though. So that means if you are set for 100x for cashout it will be auto cashout on 100x but if your balance gone, then your bet must be lose. This is what i believe on bustabit play

[jaysabi]

So Just a Bit Of A Up Date on BUSTABIT AKA RYAN

He Still Has not sent me a email trying to pay the .052 that was lost by his server connection issues.

His own Developer Helper even stated when disconnected it should cashed out. Though i don't see how the 30k bet happend 2 bets later and i wasn't able to cancel nor stop it

But, just went and made a report and will be sending to ican and a few other places.

I will say this BUSTABIT does not fix problems if they occur they ignore them and try to justify it. 

Proof is in the puddin baby!!

http://bustabit.weebly.com/discover.html

Here's what I gather from your poorly written (seriously, if you want people to take you seriously you should try to write above a third grade level) site:

You submitted a bet.  The bet was 22k @ 100x cash out.  You lost connection.  When this happens, the game keeps running!  The last input the game had from you was that you wanted to cash out @100x.  If you aren't there to hit "Cash Out", you aren't cashed out.  This isn't a flaw in the system, it's how the game works.  You have to tell it when to cash out, it doesn't magically read your mind (or your internet connection).  Your connection dropped (this is very likely on your end since I'm not reading anyone else saying that they were disconnected...this is why you need to make sure you are playing from a secure, steady connection) and the game crashed before it hit 100x.  So you lost.  Womp-womp.  You got reconnected, saw that you lost, and decided to place a 30k bet @ 100x.  You got disconnected again (I'd imagine it's because you were playing from mobile with 1.5 bars of 3g connection) and the same thing happened...the game crashed before it hit your designated (100x) cash out point.  I'm failing to see how any of this is anyone's fault but your own.

This is a good explanation. I was also under the impression that if you disconnect, your game was terminated immediately, and so I was trying to reconcile this with what happened here. But it would make sense that on the server end, the game would continue to run to your predetermined bet cashout. Can Ryan just confirm that this is how it does work and how it is intended to work? That on player-side disconnect, the game runs until the predetermined cashout point? If so, the player has no legitimate claim for refund. (If the game did go past 100x on his disconnect and he was auto-cashed out despite being disconnected, I doubt he'd be offering the money back because that's what is "fair.")

[RHavar]

Good explanation. I was also under the impression that if you disconnect, your game was terminated immediately, and so I was trying to reconcile this with what happened here. But it would make sense that on the server end, the game would continue to run to your predetermined bet cashout. Can Ryan just confirm that this is how it does work and how it is intended to work? That on player-side disconnect, the game runs until the predetermined cashout point? If so, the player has no legitimate claim for refund. (If the game did go past 100x on his disconnect and he was auto-cashed out despite being disconnected, I doubt he'd be offering the money back because that's what is "fair.")

Basically in bustabit you can be cashed out by one of three things:

a) Sending a "cashOut" event to the server (e.g. manually hitting the button).
b) Force cashout (basically the max profit gets hit, and the server forces you to take the money)
c) Your "auto cash out" value, which is done server side (and there's no interference by lag/latency or what not).


In the past, we used to have a forth option -- which was a "best effort" disconnection detection. However it was extremely unreliable (as there's no way possible way on the internet for a server to immediately and reliably know when someone disconnects). The best you can do is if they're not responding to pings for X milliseconds, then assume they've disconnected. However there were a lot of false positives, and people accusing me of cheating them with this (which completely wasn't the case, but I can understand why it might have looked like it) so I ended up just totally removed it.


I've once had a user who hit something like 2.3 BTC due to hitting a 1100x due to disconnecting (while they were intending to play conservatively, with a small amount of money). Obviously they got happily got the money, and it would've been totally unreasonable for me to expect or want it back etc.

The reality is if that if there is lag (or even disconnects) bustabit doesn't really make any more money, it just uses the risk/reward from your "auto cash out" value. So it's not really possible for us to give refunds (especially for a thing that is impossible to know from the servers point of view, so it would be abused by scammers).



(I've spent a great amount of time an energy explaining and providing information to the guy about this, but he seems more interested in threats and getting me to to pay to delete his posts. I told him at the onset that I don't give in to blackmail,  but I guess some people need to learn the hard way ). I really think it'd be best if we just collectively ignore him, to save everyone the trouble.

[RHavar]

Almost starts to feel like a pyramid scheme with new investors paying old investors but of course its not the same since it isn't the only source of income for investors.

Haha, yeah.  Although I think technically it would be more ponzi-ish than pyramid-ish. It'll certainly get to the point that investors will never be able to recoup their "dilution fee" from the "dilution fee" of future investors. But that's also fine, because investors should be expecting to make profit from bankrolling the site, and not from future investors.

[jaysabi]

Good explanation. I was also under the impression that if you disconnect, your game was terminated immediately, and so I was trying to reconcile this with what happened here. But it would make sense that on the server end, the game would continue to run to your predetermined bet cashout. Can Ryan just confirm that this is how it does work and how it is intended to work? That on player-side disconnect, the game runs until the predetermined cashout point? If so, the player has no legitimate claim for refund. (If the game did go past 100x on his disconnect and he was auto-cashed out despite being disconnected, I doubt he'd be offering the money back because that's what is "fair.")

Basically in bustabit you can be cashed out by one of three things:

a) Sending a "cashOut" event to the server (e.g. manually hitting the button).
b) Force cashout (basically the max profit gets hit, and the server forces you to take the money)
c) Your "auto cash out" value, which is done server side (and there's no interference by lag/latency or what not).


In the past, we used to have a forth option -- which was a "best effort" disconnection detection. However it was extremely unreliable (as there's no way possible way on the internet for a server to immediately and reliably know when someone disconnects). The best you can do is if they're not responding to pings for X milliseconds, then assume they've disconnected. However there were a lot of false positives, and people accusing me of cheating them with this (which completely wasn't the case, but I can understand why it might have looked like it) so I ended up just totally removed it.


I've once had a user who hit something like 2.3 BTC due to hitting a 1100x due to disconnecting (while they were intending to play conservatively, with a small amount of money). Obviously they got happily got the money, and it would've been totally unreasonable for me to expect or want it back etc.

The reality is if that if there is lag (or even disconnects) bustabit doesn't really make any more money, it just uses the risk/reward from your "auto cash out" value. So it's not really possible for us to give refunds (especially for a thing that is impossible to know from the servers point of view, so it would be abused by scammers).



(I've spent a great amount of time an energy explaining and providing information to the guy about this, but he seems more interested in threats and getting me to to pay to delete his posts. I told him at the onset that I don't give in to blackmail,  but I guess some people need to learn the hard way ). I really think it'd be best if we just collectively ignore him, to save everyone the trouble.

I totally get that, it's clear now that this has devolved into a blackmail type of issue. Not that it matters for much, but as a neutral party, I totally agree with the stance you've taken. My only concern was that he might have had a point (although not communicated terribly well) to expect that on disconnect from his side, his bet would have immediately terminated. Since I thought that was how it worked too, I just wanted clarification on the issue, because it seemed from the public discussion that it could have been a misunderstanding of points (you having a zero refund policy for "losing bets" and his contention that it shouldn't have been a "losing bet" to begin with but for your software error) and I didn't see that basic issue being addressed, but rather both sides arguing further past it. Further complicating was his screenshot of the chat where your mod seemed to concede that there are known issues with gambler-side disconnects. But since your site doesn't claim that there is immediate bet termination on connection interruption, that's not something gamblers can count on, and I am satisfied with the explanations you offered. It makes total sense that on player-side disconnect, the game runs based on the auto cash out value. The risk of that happening is on the gambler, and small as it is, it can be mitigated by not setting an extremely high auto cash out threshold (e.g. 100x), and further by not playing from mobile when you have spotty reception, as someone previously rightly pointed out.