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August 09, 2014, 05:06:49 AM |
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So, do you think Satoshi will ever spend his bitcoins? You can only answer with Yes or No on the poll. Got it?
This is going to be very interesting to see the results. The reason there isn't a "maybe" is so that we can get a definite answer.
I've joined. and I see the difference in voting is very thin, 49.7%) and 50.3% Yes, it's very interesting because when it started it was "yes" 15 votes and "no" 9 votes or something. But now it looks as though No has overtaken Yes. I personally believe satoshi will spend his bitcoins. Unless he dies before he does, but I doubt he will.
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August 09, 2014, 07:37:14 AM |
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When the price is above 10k and\or adoption is huge, Satoshi can both change the world and keep his anonymity by giving BTC away to "groups" he sees fit. Keeping his physical location a secret might be difficult, but he can probably figure a way to sell offline to trusted parties. Does anyone fathom how easily and profoundly a trillionaire could change the world and at the same time, not "spend" a bit? ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) . Gotta love it... IAS
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BTC = Black Swan. BTC = Antifragile - "Some things benefit from shocks; they thrive and grow when exposed to volatility, randomness, disorder, and stressors and love adventure, risk, and uncertainty. Robust is not the opposite of fragile.
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August 10, 2014, 05:52:52 PM |
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No. Satoshi never spent his bitcoins in the past. Why would he bother spending them now? Ofc he can reap in all the rewards, but he doesn't want to do anything anymore with BTC. Or does he? ![Shocked](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/shocked.gif) How would he reap the rewards if he does not spend any of his BTC? He would not have any other way to profit from BTC without actually selling/spending his BTC.
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August 10, 2014, 06:50:40 PM |
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if satoshi will ever spend it, the market could crash lol 2009 => 10-2 USD 2010 => 10-1 USD 2011 => 100 USD 2012 => 101 USD 2013 => 102 USD 2014 => 103 USD 2015 => 104 USD 2016 => 105 USD 2017 => 106 USD
--- Early Adoption Ends Here and The Price Stabilizes ---
but 10^3 was already on 2013, this mean a chance to have 10^4 at the end of this year
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August 11, 2014, 05:08:39 AM |
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if satoshi will ever spend it, the market could crash lol 2009 => 10-2 USD 2010 => 10-1 USD 2011 => 100 USD 2012 => 101 USD 2013 => 102 USD 2014 => 103 USD 2015 => 104 USD 2016 => 105 USD 2017 => 106 USD
--- Early Adoption Ends Here and The Price Stabilizes ---
but 10^3 was already on 2013, this mean a chance to have 10^4 at the end of this year It really depends on how much of his coins he spends on how obvious it is that it is him spending them. If he spends only ~50 of his coins and doesn't touch his others then the market would likely not even react, especially if he spends the coins he mined later rather then earlier. If on the other hand he spends 500k of his coins then yes the market would likely crash as it would not be able to handle this kind of selling pressure.
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August 11, 2014, 06:14:28 AM |
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If Satoshi is still around and has his keys, expect at least 1 million USD worth from his known addresses to be converted into fiat within the next year. This is a necessary step if it is doable to convince the general public via the media that bitcoin has value.
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August 11, 2014, 06:27:50 AM |
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If there's one thing I'd like to know about the person or entity that is Satoshi it's why his coins have never moved? Is he or they saving them as a ridiculous investment? Is he dead? Does he feel it wouldn't be fair to spend them? Has he left clues out there how to hack his wallets as a bounty? ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Maybe we'll never know.
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August 11, 2014, 06:29:10 AM |
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I don't think Satoshi will ever convert his coins to fiat. He will probably use them to pay autonomous agents for big changes in the world.
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{ Imagine a sequence of bits generated from the first decimal place of the square roots of whole integers that are irrational numbers. If the decimal falls between 0 and 5, it's considered bit 0, and if it falls between 5 and 10, it's considered bit 1. This sequence from a simple integer count of contiguous irrationals and their logical decimal expansion of the first decimal place is called the 'main irrational stream.' Our goal is to design a physical and optical computing system system that can detect when this stream starts matching a specific pattern of a given size of bits. bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=166760.0 } Satoshi did use a friend class in C++ and put a comment on the code saying: "This is why people hate C++".
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August 11, 2014, 06:30:19 AM |
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When that Dorian guy was accused of being Satoshi, apparently the reral satoshi logged on to a website via his old handle and said it wasn't Dorian. Was that ever confirmed as real or was it fake, or could nobody be sure?
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August 11, 2014, 06:31:11 AM |
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As for spending his bitcoins, if he was going to I'm sure he would've by now. I'm also worried what spending or dumping them could do to bitcoin. I don't think Satoshi will ever convert his coins to fiat. He will probably use them to pay autonomous agents for big changes.
What kind of agents and big changes? Sounds ominous.
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August 11, 2014, 06:33:55 AM |
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According to what I know about Satoshi I think, his Bitcoins are just considered Test-Coins. Satoshi is the kind of guy, who makes his tests in the productive system and then just destroys the data after the test is complete.
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August 11, 2014, 06:47:08 AM |
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According to what I know about Satoshi I think, his Bitcoins are just considered Test-Coins. Satoshi is the kind of guy, who makes his tests in the productive system and then just destroys the data after the test is complete.
Well, he would have to be a ridiculously decent person just to consider them as a test. Having that sort of money could corrupt even the most moral of men.
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August 11, 2014, 06:54:27 AM |
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He might spend after a big part of the world accepted bitcoin and use it as currency. Too early to spend now. My guess he would start spending when it reaches 100k per bitcoin.
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August 11, 2014, 07:44:56 AM |
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Perhaps if Satoshi still knows how to access his wallet (keys and such), he might donate it to people or some charity that accepts Bitcoin. I don't think he'd withdraw it to fiat, as that might need him to reveal his identity and such.
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August 11, 2014, 08:06:06 AM |
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I don't think Satoshi will ever convert his coins to fiat. He will probably use them to pay autonomous agents for big changes.
What kind of agents and big changes? Sounds ominous. I'm not good in giving examples but let me try. You see, autonomous agents with Artificial Intelligence will be making most of the important decisions in our world. So, just to give an example, imagine an autonomous agent that can decide the type of questions lie detectors at airports will be making people. They could decide the percentage of questions that would be looking for: A - Terrorists B - Sex abusers C - Drug dealers D - Thieves E - Assassins The automous agent would then have five bitcoin addresses and would use the amount of received coins quotas to decide the percentage of each type of questions to be made. This is just a very simple example and as I said I'm not good in it and I'm not particularly inspired. But bearing in mind that AI agents will be deciding in all important matters in our world you get the idea. AI agents are driven by aims and objectives. if you can send coins to weight the components of such aims you get such scennario, where anyone could spend coins to determine the probability of an outcome. Another thing could be advertsing. Satoshi could spend his coins to promote a cause. And stay anonymous.
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{ Imagine a sequence of bits generated from the first decimal place of the square roots of whole integers that are irrational numbers. If the decimal falls between 0 and 5, it's considered bit 0, and if it falls between 5 and 10, it's considered bit 1. This sequence from a simple integer count of contiguous irrationals and their logical decimal expansion of the first decimal place is called the 'main irrational stream.' Our goal is to design a physical and optical computing system system that can detect when this stream starts matching a specific pattern of a given size of bits. bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=166760.0 } Satoshi did use a friend class in C++ and put a comment on the code saying: "This is why people hate C++".
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August 11, 2014, 09:38:55 AM |
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According to what I know about Satoshi I think, his Bitcoins are just considered Test-Coins. Satoshi is the kind of guy, who makes his tests in the productive system and then just destroys the data after the test is complete.
Well, he would have to be a ridiculously decent person just to consider them as a test. Having that sort of money could corrupt even the most moral of men. Think about it that way: You are programming a system for a webshop. You make yourself a test-account, with 1 billion $. After you have finished your changes, you just delete the test-account. The difference here is, that you can't delete your bitcoins, so you destroy the Private Key.
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August 11, 2014, 09:41:17 AM |
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yeah, except why would anyone destroy billions of dollars?
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August 11, 2014, 10:11:54 AM |
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Yes I think one day he will. But he will reveal something that will completely change everyones view on bitcoin!
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August 11, 2014, 10:18:03 AM |
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I don't think he is going to use them. The system is not anonymous enough and he has too many to use a mixer effectively.
Maybe if Tor wasn't under suspicion of being compromised he could use his coins to run an anonymous mixer (coins come in, get mixed around with his) providing him with some anonymity but that also would draw legal attention for laundering.
I think it will be his next of kin that ultimately benefit.
Or just buy/sell altcoins every day for a couple of bitcoins and they are mixed and perfect for use so no one can trace him. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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August 11, 2014, 10:18:33 AM |
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Yes I think one day he will. But he will reveal something that will completely change everyones view on bitcoin!
What's that supposed to mean? ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) I hope he uses them for the greater good of bitcoin in the future.
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