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February 12, 2015, 02:34:24 AM
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I have tremendous respect for Evan Duffield and what he has done for Darkcoin and cruptocurrency as a whole.  It has been unfortunate to see the way the various communities have lacked professionalism, but it's not that surprising.  Frustrating, but not surprising.

I've suggested a wide variety of things for Spreadcoin that haven't been done and I'm ok with that; we don't always get our way, nor should we.

But to rename masternodes and InstantX to something else would be very disrespectful and wrong on many levels.  I will not be a part of a coin that acts in such a manner.  So yes, you can rename them to whatever you want, but I won't be a part of Spreadcoin anymore if you do.  That doesn't mean you guys shouldn't.  If you feel it's that important to rename them, go for it.  I simply can't be a part of a community that I feel would be lacking ethics.

I also have a lot of respect for eduffield, and not just because of darkcoin...

But also because of X11, Dark Gravity Wave, and more.

Mr. Spread decided to call his hashing algorithm SpreadX11.... so I assume that's also his way of how he pays respect to eduffield.
He didn't call it Spreadhash or something like that for a reason.

Maybe we can do the same thing with masternodes?

Keep the -nodes part of the name, but add Spread- to it, making it spreadnodes.

(so people will know where we came from.)

It's like what pepsi has done with coca cola.
They took -cola and added pepsi... voila: pepsi cola.


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February 12, 2015, 02:39:32 AM
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I have tremendous respect for Evan Duffield and what he has done for Darkcoin and cruptocurrency as a whole.  It has been unfortunate to see the way the various communities have lacked professionalism, but it's not that surprising.  Frustrating, but not surprising.

I've suggested a wide variety of things for Spreadcoin that haven't been done and I'm ok with that; we don't always get our way, nor should we.

But to rename masternodes and InstantX to something else would be very disrespectful and wrong on many levels.  I will not be a part of a coin that acts in such a manner.  So yes, you can rename them to whatever you want, but I won't be a part of Spreadcoin anymore if you do.  That doesn't mean you guys shouldn't.  If you feel it's that important to rename them, go for it.  I simply can't be a part of a community that I feel would be lacking ethics.

I also have a lot of respect for eduffield, and not just because of darkcoin...

But also because of X11, Dark Gravity Wave, and more.

Mr. Spread decided to call his hashing algorithm SpreadX11.... so I assume that's also his way of how he pays respect to eduffield.
He didn't call it Spreadhash or something like that for a reason.

Maybe we can do the same thing with masternodes?

Keep the -nodes part of the name, but add Spread- to it, making it spreadnodes.

(so people will know where we came from.)

It's like what pepsi has done with coca cola.
They took -cola and added pepsi... voila: pepsi cola.



You are absolutely right. If we take Evan's idea and keep the name its stealing. Our product is slightly different so it requires a different name.
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February 12, 2015, 02:41:45 AM
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It will be a huge mistake if we change the name away from masternode.  Block.  Blockchain.  Masternode.  These are terms everyone knows.  Should we call the blockchain a Spreadchain while we're at it?

PLEASE do not change the name of a technology everyone already knows.  While Mr. Spread rewrote masternode code, the idea behind it is still the same.  They're masternodes.  Evan Duffield deserves the respect of not renaming his technology AND we will be causing ourselves headaches as well.

If you change the name you're going to be explaining what a fucking Spreadnode is 400x a day.

InstantX is also a known technology that works over the masternodes.  DO NOT change the name!

Let's see if Mr. Spread decides to do anon and if he does, how he implements it before we discuss name changes there.

PLEASE put the name changes to rest for now.
Amongst all the anno solutions,cryptonite is the best.

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February 12, 2015, 02:41:56 AM
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the name Spreadnodes isn't bad at all to me. But we just have to make sure to add the words Decentralized Masternodes next to it on graphics and stuff.

Spreadnodes
- Decentralized Masternodes -
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February 12, 2015, 02:43:10 AM
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the name Spreadnodes isn't bad at all to me. But we just have to make sure to add the words Decentralized Masternodes next to it on graphics and stuff.

Spreadnodes
- Decentralized Masternodes -

/\ This is perfect marketing. /\

Given enough advertising we can eventually drop the second part and it will become universally ours.
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February 12, 2015, 02:50:06 AM
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Are we really having the bit/satoshi argument here.

Refer to it as the industry standard reference. No name change necessary.

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February 12, 2015, 02:52:06 AM
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the name Spreadnodes isn't bad at all to me. But we just have to make sure to add the words Decentralized Masternodes next to it on graphics and stuff.

Spreadnodes
- Decentralized Masternodes -

That's it!

Best suggestion yet.

If you go to wikipedia and look up darkcoin, you will see that their definition of a masternode is:

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Darksend's mixing is performed by Masternodes, servers operating on a decentralized volunteer network which have the responsibility of signing the transactions.

Now what if our future wiki site is saying something like:

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All those services are performed by Spreadnodes, decentralized masternodes (link to darkcoin) that use a decentralized system of blablabla....

I would be ok with that.

Proper attribution (especially when it comes to open source attribution) doesn't mean that you need to put the name of the first guy who had that idea on your product...

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February 12, 2015, 02:57:02 AM
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the name Spreadnodes isn't bad at all to me. But we just have to make sure to add the words Decentralized Masternodes next to it on graphics and stuff.

Spreadnodes
- Decentralized Masternodes -

That's it!

Best suggestion yet.

If you go to wikipedia and look up darkcoin, you will see that their definition of a masternode is:

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Darksend's mixing is performed by Masternodes, servers operating on a decentralized volunteer network which have the responsibility of signing the transactions.

Now what if our future wiki site is saying something like:

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All those services are performed by Spreadnodes, decentralized masternodes (link to darkcoin) that use a decentralized system of blablabla....

I would be ok with that.

Proper attribution (especially when it comes to open source attribution) doesn't mean that you need to put the name of the first guy who had that idea on your product...

This is the best way to go. I think we should do it.
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February 12, 2015, 02:58:15 AM
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Are we really having the bit/satoshi argument here.

Refer to it as the industry standard reference. No name change necessary.

I am just happy that we have our original thread back. hahaha.

See how such discussions keep us entertained and the trolls away? I love it.

Everything we say here is just thinking out loud, to be taken with a grain of salt.

Ofcourse.  Roll Eyes

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February 12, 2015, 02:59:37 AM
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If we look too much like DRK then no one will buy into SPR. There will be no point. We need good advertising that makes it clear we are separate.
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February 12, 2015, 03:02:09 AM
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I don't care about what its name is,I care about whether the pool mining issue can be fixed.

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February 12, 2015, 03:05:37 AM
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I don't care about what its name is,I care about whether the pool mining issue can be fixed.

There is no issue. The coin was designed to make pool mining a ridiculous idea. If you pool mine then you will lose your coins. Unless you get into a pool that you completely trust. The likelihood of that happening is slim, which means that coins will be greatly decentralized. We may see a few small pools popping up, but they will not let in anyone they don't trust.  The coin is working perfectly as planned.
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February 12, 2015, 03:10:00 AM
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Calling them [whatever] decentralized masternodes won't work either because, make no mistake, Evan Duffield WILL fix the reference node issue at some point and Darkcoin masternodes will be decentralized as well.

They're masternodes. 

I don't know why I'm arguing this as Mr. Spread has proven himself to be ethical which is part of the reason I've invested like I have.  I have little doubt he'll keep the name the same.
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February 12, 2015, 03:11:25 AM
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Calling them [whatever] decentralized masternodes won't work either because, make no mistake, Evan Duffield WILL fix the reference node issue at some point and Darkcoin masternodes will be decentralized as well.

They're masternodes.  

I don't know why I'm arguing this as Mr. Spread has proven himself to be ethical which is part of the reason I've invested like I have.  I have little doubt he'll keep the name the same.

He may do that, but it will be terrible for trying to market the coin.
If we get a decentralized masternode up before Evan does then we can own that. He can't.

And since the products are different we are stealing the name masternode. Its unethical.
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February 12, 2015, 03:20:42 AM
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I don't care about what its name is,I care about whether the pool mining issue can be fixed.

There is no issue. The coin was designed to make pool mining a ridiculous idea. If you pool mine then you will lose your coins. Unless you get into a pool that you completely trust. The likelihood of that happening is slim, which means that coins will be greatly decentralized. We may see a few small pools popping up, but they will not let in anyone they don't trust.  The coin is working perfectly as planned.
If you never mine at nonce-pool,please shut up!

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February 12, 2015, 03:25:13 AM
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I don't care about what its name is,I care about whether the pool mining issue can be fixed.

There is no issue. The coin was designed to make pool mining a ridiculous idea. If you pool mine then you will lose your coins. Unless you get into a pool that you completely trust. The likelihood of that happening is slim, which means that coins will be greatly decentralized. We may see a few small pools popping up, but they will not let in anyone they don't trust.  The coin is working perfectly as planned.
If you never mine at nonce-pool,please shut up!


I'm sorry, have you mined at nonce-pool? Do you know what is going on here? Perhaps your lost.
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February 12, 2015, 03:25:56 AM
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Calling them [whatever] decentralized masternodes won't work either because, make no mistake, Evan Duffield WILL fix the reference node issue at some point and Darkcoin masternodes will be decentralized as well.

They're masternodes. 

I don't know why I'm arguing this as Mr. Spread has proven himself to be ethical which is part of the reason I've invested like I have.  I have little doubt he'll keep the name the same.

Mr. Spread already has kept the name the same. He always talks about masternodes.

I don't think this has any meaning to him at the moment... it's just a name.

My dream is that spreadcoin keeps on innovating more and more, until one day what we now call masternode (influenced by darkcoin) has so far deviated from darkcoin that it can't be called masternode anymore.

Kinda like what separates humans from apes.... yes, those are our roots... but we are our own species now.
Sure, you could insist that humans ARE apes... but at some point it can also be considered an insult to call a human an ape, right?  Grin

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February 12, 2015, 03:29:28 AM
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My dream is that spreadcoin keeps on innovating more and more, until one day what we now call masternode (influenced by darkcoin) has so far deviated from darkcoin that it can't be called masternode anymore.
I have no problem with that and in fact agree 100%.  But at present, they are masternodes.
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February 12, 2015, 03:30:02 AM
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Calling them [whatever] decentralized masternodes won't work either because, make no mistake, Evan Duffield WILL fix the reference node issue at some point and Darkcoin masternodes will be decentralized as well.

They're masternodes. 

I don't know why I'm arguing this as Mr. Spread has proven himself to be ethical which is part of the reason I've invested like I have.  I have little doubt he'll keep the name the same.

Mr. Spread already has kept the name the same. He always talks about masternodes.

I don't think this has any meaning to him at the moment... it's just a name.

My dream is that spreadcoin keeps on innovating more and more, until one day what we now call masternode (influenced by darkcoin) has so far deviated from darkcoin that it can't be called masternode anymore.

Kinda like what separates humans from apes.... yes, those are our roots... but we are our own species now.
Sure, you could insist that humans ARE apes... but at some point it can also be considered an insult to call a human an ape, right?  Grin

Or calling a tree a seed, or a young girl a mother. Those things grow up and develop and become something else. If we don't differentiate that then people will just assume that we are the same.
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My dream is that spreadcoin keeps on innovating more and more, until one day what we now call masternode (influenced by darkcoin) has so far deviated from darkcoin that it can't be called masternode anymore.
I have no problem with that and in fact agree 100%.  But at present, they are masternodes.

I even agree with that!
The best proof for that is that Mr. Spread's first action with his version of masternodes was to recreate instantx.

So it's obvious that our masternodes are derived from darkcoin masternodes.

But I don't think this is a path that we will stay on much longer. I honestly think instantx is a fad that will go away.

As I explained in another thread at spreadcointalk, all cryptocoins have the veeeery serious bottleneck problem that the limited block size allows for only a small amount of transactions every minute.
Like thousands of times less than what is possible with legacy payments systems like credit cards or paypal.

So what good is instantx when only a limited number of transactions can happen every minute anyway?

I see much more potentital for spreadcoin to solve such important problems like the transaction bottleneck instead of copying what darkcoin does.

That's what made darkcoin successful, right? Solving problems.

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