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March 07, 2017, 11:36:36 PM
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New to this but have been testing the top 3, NitrogenSports.eu, Betcoin.ag and Cloudbet.com for 1-2 weeks now and have not had a problem with a deposit or withdrawal or any customer service inquiry.  I will probably split my play on all three for awhile, but I am sure I am not alone in the great experience I have had on each.  This thread has been really helpful as well. 

Thanks for the input and welcome here.

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March 08, 2017, 06:46:07 AM
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New to this but have been testing the top 3, NitrogenSports.eu, Betcoin.ag and Cloudbet.com for 1-2 weeks now and have not had a problem with a deposit or withdrawal or any customer service inquiry.  I will probably split my play on all three for awhile, but I am sure I am not alone in the great experience I have had on each.  This thread has been really helpful as well. 

Trying just the top ones, you missed the best one in the list though. Powerbet has the best odds of all bitcoin sportsbooks and instant withdrawals - plus a very good bonus. Don't know why Peeps has it on D.
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March 08, 2017, 07:54:35 AM
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powerbet.io  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1710755.0


lol, powerbet.io deleted most of my posts 2 weeks ago and today they deleted the last 2 ones

They could delete these 2 posts 2 weeks ago but they did it only today

Perhaps they are in big trouble



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As i see you are an 1xbet/1xbit clone  (on markets and odds with different layout)

You cant void bets saying that the bettor is an arbitrag bettor, this is bullshit

Some traditional bookmakers tired to make such rules that arbitrage betting is not allowed ,   none of them in businnes now
And of corse if you would have  any gambling license then it wont take too long, if the bettor make a complaint to the regulator and you try to explain it you void those bets because of arbitraging


You have only the right to limit the user and if you detect he makes another account you can freeze it, if you have such rules that only one account allowed.


so you have to resettle those bets according to results




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Admin try to delete my post again , we will see it was worth



https://powerbet.io/pages/terms
As i see  there is nothing about arbitrage betting in your tos  

Which is mega lol because until now i thought you have such rules

So you have no right to void any bets saying arbitrage betting


Jetwin also using such words " for recreational players" but as I remeber they voided my bets because they were very slow to update their lines and they voided them before the match started not afterwards and not only the winner ones, so mega unfair from powerbet


For me is very recreational  to get out a lot of money from the sportsbet industry  via arbitrage betting, it is free money , very  recreational  , it is so refreshing for me Wink

Please define what means recreational for you powerbet , i am not an expert in such not common words meaning






Since we got his approval, here are just a few bets that contain clear indications of arbitrage betting (the 1st and most important is the stake value, than betting on double result - aggressive arbitrage - and - not to be ignored - the leagues the bets are placed on, which can also be a sign of arbitrage), of a rather long list:

Sc-esv Parndorf vs Ask Royal Sped Klingenbach   Asian Handicap -1.5 Stake 92.27

Arsenal Tula vs Shakhtyor Karagandy Asian Handicap -1.5 Stake 51.39

Lokomotiv Moscow vs Cska Sofia   Three Way - Cska Sofia Stake 40.04

Lokomotiv Moscow vs Cska Sofia   Three Way - Draw Stake 51.82

The list can continue with stakes such as: 15.79, 8.84, 66.18, 132.21, 36.49, 94.05, 94.85, 58.61, 40.37 and so on.

For the punter, we strongly suggest this article: http://sportsarbitrageguide.com/avoiding_bookmaker_limits.php


This is probably behavioural pattern of an arber but its not actually proof that the customer is arbing.

+1

Another question :

Did you void the winner bets only  or the loser ones too ?




Only winner bets. After last two wins my balance should have been 510 mbtc and thay updated it to 0. No details nothing and just banned me permanently.



We have this healthy habit of deleting useless "educated" (actually pure troll posts that won't change our policy against arbers) posts from random people. The arbiter complaint is there as well as our resolution to it. We consider this enough info for potential arbitrators to decide if they want to try their luck with us. As mentioned before, anyone can feel free to start their own thread about arbitrage policies of various bookies, including us of course, but please refrain yourself from posting such oppinions on our thread.

@OP, sorry for the intrusion on your thread - a very good one actually, but we felt this forum user that we quoted deserved a final reply from us. Maybe more arbitrators will finally understand that we have a strict policy against arbitrage, and we'll retroactively void arbitrage bets once deemed as such by clear indicators.

Hi powerbet,

Thanks for posting and feel free to post at any time.

The recreational bettor only clause is standard and used by most books.

As far as arbs go, are you talking in-house arbs where the player buys back the other side at powerbet to gain a profit. All bets are at powerbet? If that's the case, then you can cancel wagers.

If you are assuming that a player is an arbitrage player using powerbet with another book, then the accusation of a player being an arbitrage bettor isn't valid.

As far as the bonus goes, when a book has 100% bonus with an 8x rollover, it's going to draw many that multi-account. A book that accuses a player of multi-accounting must have air tight evidence that the player did indeed break the rules by multi-accounting.

This thread is a player protection thread. The rules that you have in place that have been invoked are for lower tiered books that should be avoided. Top books do not confiscate winnings.

You can ban a player, limit a player, but never confiscate winnings. A book that cancels winners free rolls players. The book keeps the losers and voids the winners. This isn't acceptable.
Bump for Iulius69's question on powerbet.

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March 08, 2017, 08:20:55 AM
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Looks like that guy messed up with their tos? Personally, I have more than 60 bets with Powerbet and NONE was cancelled. Also my withdrawals were always instant. So, I'm extremely satisfied to play there, that's the reason I recommended them and i was surprised by your rating.
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Looks like that guy messed up with their tos? Personally, I have more than 60 bets with Powerbet and NONE was cancelled. Also my withdrawals were always instant. So, I'm extremely satisfied to play there, that's the reason I recommended them and i was surprised by your rating.

It nice to see your personal experiences as well as that of others. That is needed here and thanks for posting your experiences.

The ratings are stringent. The top books have been fairly clean since 2012-13. A lot of new books have gone under and many with the recipe being used by powerbet.

Hopefully there won't be any problems at powerbet and they will be a great book for us to use.


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March 10, 2017, 03:02:52 AM
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PowerBet does not allow U.S. players?
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March 10, 2017, 04:09:43 PM
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PowerBet does not allow U.S. players?

They accept U.S. players.

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March 10, 2017, 04:13:45 PM
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PowerBet does not allow U.S. players?

They accept U.S. players.

The registration Form does not include United States in the pull-down Country menu. That is usually the sign that they do not accept U.S. players.
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March 10, 2017, 04:20:12 PM
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PowerBet does not allow U.S. players?

They accept U.S. players.

The registration Form does not include United States in the pull-down Country menu. That is usually the sign that they do not accept U.S. players.

You can sign up anonymously. No countries IPs are blocked.

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March 10, 2017, 04:39:59 PM
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PowerBet does not allow U.S. players?

They accept U.S. players.

The registration Form does not include United States in the pull-down Country menu. That is usually the sign that they do not accept U.S. players.

You can sign up anonymously. No countries IPs are blocked.

Got it! Yes, that's what they said in reply also.

Thanks!

Their odds seem to be similar to Marathon and 1xBets, which are some very aggressive lines. We'll see how it goes.
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March 10, 2017, 06:53:32 PM
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PowerBet does not allow U.S. players?

They accept U.S. players.

The registration Form does not include United States in the pull-down Country menu. That is usually the sign that they do not accept U.S. players.

You can sign up anonymously. No countries IPs are blocked.

Got it! Yes, that's what they said in reply also.

Thanks!

Their odds seem to be similar to Marathon and 1xBets, which are some very aggressive lines. We'll see how it goes.

It's a marketing ploy, they are marathonbets pre-match odds for soccer, tennis and basketball - which 1xbet also copy hence similarities. Everyone knows Marathon has tiny limits and voids decent winners pre-match so it won't last.
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March 10, 2017, 07:06:09 PM
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Anyone having similar experiences with PowerBet?
Voiding wagers?
Tiny limits?
Changing the odds on sharp bettors?
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March 10, 2017, 08:01:58 PM
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Anyone having similar experiences with PowerBet?
Voiding wagers?
Tiny limits?
Changing the odds on sharp bettors?

Mine have been similar to easternbloc. Their limits are small. If you try to play steam (line move at other books), they won't allow you to bet that line even though it's displayed. It takes a long time for a new line to be put up.

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March 11, 2017, 11:06:11 PM
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Update

"A" rated books
nitrogensports.eu A+ (2012)
betcoin.ag A- (2013)

"B"rated books
bitcoinrush.io B (2013)

"C" rated books
sportsbet.io C (2016)
anonibet.com  C- (2011)
cloudbet.com C-(2013)

"D" rated books
coinbet24.com D+ (2015)
directbet.eu D+ (2014)
1xbit.com D (2016)
lunarbets.eu D (2016)
powerbet.io D (2016)



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fairlay.com (2014)
betmatch.is (2016

Prediction Markets
btcbet.us (2016)
betmoose.com (2014)
predictious.com  (2013)

Mutual Betting
Onehash.com

"F" rated books
Ball2Win F ..........................accepting deposits. They are under the same license as "F" book gobetgo
BetCas F ............................accepting deposits but they have confiscated funds from multiple players.
BTCBonusBook (2015).......... accepting deposits with no payout history.
Casinoco (2015)...................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Coindrafts F (2014)
Webetcoins F (2014
Bitbm F .............................accepting deposits but not paying out all players.
Bitcoinsport F
Bitcoinlivebets F
Coinbet F
Ghostbook (TOR)
Gobetgo F (2013)
Sportbet.im F
StakeBTC F
Blockbet F
Bitbook F

BetVIP - closed 6/12/15

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betopen.co
bitgame.online
bitsport.bet
jetwin.ps  (2013)
mBitcasino
zombiewager.com

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A - 2 years
B - 1 year
C - 3 months
D - 1 month

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March 11, 2017, 11:46:16 PM
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Just tried to log into fairbet but it says I can not enter their site due to region restrictions.
Why is that when I can login into every other site I have tried?
They in the UK or something and only allows European/EU countries?
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March 12, 2017, 02:32:14 AM
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Just tried to log into fairbet but it says I can not enter their site due to region restrictions.
Why is that when I can login into every other site I have tried?
They in the UK or something and only allows European/EU countries?

They ban players from the United States. Some of the anonymous bitcoin books ban players from US and/or UK but a VPN will let you in.

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March 14, 2017, 01:03:46 AM
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Powerbet deleted my posts, 1 point for them, they afraid my truth post.

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they ,probably,have an IP database+they red flag accounts by a set mask of activity
and the most suspicious activity is when you are winning  Grin
so be prepared for all sorts of verification,humiliation id checks,bets change etc.
you are only a desired customer when you deposit money,but to get them back you would have to
run around in circles,send your id details and generally be humiliated,to be fair its not just this particular bookie-its their general practice

How about they refuse the payment even if we have ID verification? I think it is possible, Cloudbet usually uses this trick.

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Really good site. Lots of features and instant withdrawal. Just give it a try.

Yesterday deposited 94$ worth bitcoin and withdrawed today 150$worth bitcoin.Everything is smooth and good. The best part is instant  withdraws.You feel difference.Thanks!

I  tried this betting site and impressed! Recommended! Everything was ok till using bonus amount. I deposited and wagered deposit amount over 1.70 odd. Withdrawed winnings+deposit and tried to use my bonus amount.  Withdraw process is instant and good than nitrogensports. I couldnt be able to use bonus amount, but i did everyhing as stated on rules..  Some script gives this error when i click to wager  bonus amount: bonus_account.bet_place_not_permitted_before_player_accoun  Contacted support and waiting for answer.  I hope they will solve problem. Undecided  (Sorry for my poor english!)

I take all my words back!!! Why powerbet, why? You must keep up good work and doesnt behave like this way. So you doesnt like winners? All my transactions  were under 1 btc. I already send documents for verification. I know from my bookie experience they will look for new excuses to hold funds.  Wink 

This could be a negative thing for powerbet, I hope they will solve your issue and release your funds soon. Did you make withdrawals successfully before? How much do you withdraw this time?

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the only advantage to use them is good odds. but when you put it advantages vs disadvantages - it's just not worth it to use them.
all the idea of btc is anonymity , they ruin it with this id verification thing.
and then start to block and limit accounts. i don't have any money there -they let me withdraw everything after i was limited.
there are just better bookies out there just use google

Exactly, in bitcoin casino and sportsbook, anonymity is the most important thing, no ID requirement is good. Sportsbet and some other bookies have the same policy, which I think it is unreasonable.
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March 15, 2017, 12:03:00 AM
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This was from poster win008 in another thread.

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I began testing bitcoin gaming providers weeks ago and shortly after switched all of my action to these providers.  These guys are the future and I fully support all of them.  I currently split my action equally between what are clearly the top 3.  I believe nitrogensports.eu is the most complete sportsbook right now.  Betcoin.ag is the best all around casino, sportsbook and poker room for the entire experience and cloudbet I can place the largest size wagers and their sportsbook is just as good as the other two.  I believe it's always good to diversify your bankroll on multiple sites for a variety of reasons and nitrogesports, betcoin and cloudbet are clearly the top 3. 

There is no 5 in the bitcoin sportsbook world. 

Following are the scores. 

nitrogensports.eu 4.2
betcoin.ag - 4.0
cloudbet - 4.0


anonibet.com - 3.5
sportsbet.io - 3.5
directbet.eu - 3.0

All of the above, I will say are great books and I believe we should support them all and help them replace the current fiat operators.  The experience is far superior and these companies are at most 4 years old, therefore each will get better over time. 

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March 17, 2017, 09:19:32 PM
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Problems at powerbet. The fact that the player was a professional basketball should have no bearing and the player should be paid.

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Hello everyone

I am new in this forum and I will try to explain my recent issue with powerbet.io

I made an account at powerbet.io almost 2 months ago and made a deposit of 0.57 BTC. Since then I played some bets (3 singles which I won and 1 parlay which I lost) and gather in total some 1.45 BTC. 10 days ago I received e-mail from them telling me that my account is flagged and asking me to submit required documents... Few days after I get this e-mail


"Hi,

We have found out that you're a professional basketball player, currently playing for KK-Vrsac-Swisslion. You also played for Metalac, OKK Beograd and other teams. According to our records, your betting activity is centered on Serbian basketball league, which is against our terms and conditions (you even bet on a game in which your team was playing). Our final resolution regarding your account will be communicated to you soon.


Kind regards,
PowerBet Support"


First thing to clarify: I WAS basketball player bu now in retirement for a year
my winning single bets were made on basketball matches in : Serbian league, Adriatic league, Serbian National Cup
Their statement "you even bet on a game in which your team was playing" was so wrong... I played for that team I placed bet on 3 years ago

After sending them links to official basketball sites where everybody can see I am no longer in any team roster, after sending them several e-mails and contacting them on this forum in order to resolve our misunderstanding I got one big nothing...


Honestly, I am not feeling like letting them take my money

Best regards


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March 20, 2017, 08:25:48 AM
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This is another time of the year where you should only play at top books. The three most popular times for books to close shop are the World Cup, Super Bowl and after the NCAA tournament.

It's best to have your funds out of lower rated books prior to the final 4.

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