FREE ELECTRICITY: Magnets Motor Electric Generators (Perpetual Machines)

[BADecker]

My reptilian friends just funded me in order to post the following here:

'Open a damn high school physics book or at least try something without damn magnets. It so previous century'

State promoted ignorance is bliss.

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[MoonTime]

This thing is invented already I'm sure but maybe there is some space for competition for these things, but you need a lot of money for this.

[iluvbitcoins]

I can't believe how many people here say this thing is already invented..

Second law of thermodynamics directly contradicts usage of the perpetual motion machine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

It hasn't been invented yet and neither it will be, since it's impossible

[MakeBelieve]

This has been done by a few companies now and they are selling the plans off instead of making them themselves because its 0 cost for them and like $2000 profit for them.

[iluvbitcoins]

This has been done by a few companies now and they are selling the plans off instead of making them themselves because its 0 cost for them and like $2000 profit for them.

I can't believe how many people here say this thing is already invented..

Second law of thermodynamics directly contradicts usage of the perpetual motion machine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

It hasn't been invented yet and neither it will be, since it's impossible

realize this

perpetuum mobile, ain't gonna happen

perpetuum mobile

[Wealthy]

Look, free magnet motor energy here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiAhiu6UqXQ

Maybe Its fake.

[BADecker]

This has been done by a few companies now and they are selling the plans off instead of making them themselves because its 0 cost for them and like $2000 profit for them.

I can't believe how many people here say this thing is already invented..

Second law of thermodynamics directly contradicts usage of the perpetual motion machine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

It hasn't been invented yet and neither it will be, since it's impossible

realize this

perpetuum mobile, ain't gonna happen

perpetuum mobile

Perpetual motion electrical energy has been around for more than 100 years. What does anyone think that the hydroelectric power plants are? Do you think people created electrical energy? Realize once and for all that people don't create it. The energy is there for anyone to tap into, and that is all that people do. It will be there in one form or another perpetually, forever, or until the whole universe is destroyed. So why not magnet motors? Just because we haven't figured out how to make them practical, yet...

[iluvbitcoins]

This has been done by a few companies now and they are selling the plans off instead of making them themselves because its 0 cost for them and like $2000 profit for them.

I can't believe how many people here say this thing is already invented..

Second law of thermodynamics directly contradicts usage of the perpetual motion machine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

It hasn't been invented yet and neither it will be, since it's impossible

realize this

perpetuum mobile, ain't gonna happen

perpetuum mobile

Perpetual motion electrical energy has been around for more than 100 years. What does anyone think that the hydroelectric power plants are? Do you think people created electrical energy? Realize once and for all that people don't create it. The energy is there for anyone to tap into, and that is all that people do. It will be there in one form or another perpetually, forever, or until the whole universe is destroyed. So why not magnet motors? Just because we haven't figured out how to make them practical, yet...

not true

in hydroelectric power plants water puts pressure on the plants all the time, in a perpetual motion machine force should be used only once to start the machine and then it would run on it's own
while in hydroeletric power plants force works on the plants all the time

[BADecker]

This has been done by a few companies now and they are selling the plans off instead of making them themselves because its 0 cost for them and like $2000 profit for them.

I can't believe how many people here say this thing is already invented..

Second law of thermodynamics directly contradicts usage of the perpetual motion machine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

It hasn't been invented yet and neither it will be, since it's impossible

realize this

perpetuum mobile, ain't gonna happen

perpetuum mobile

image

Perpetual motion electrical energy has been around for more than 100 years. What does anyone think that the hydroelectric power plants are? Do you think people created electrical energy? Realize once and for all that people don't create it. The energy is there for anyone to tap into, and that is all that people do. It will be there in one form or another perpetually, forever, or until the whole universe is destroyed. So why not magnet motors? Just because we haven't figured out how to make them practical, yet...

not true

in hydroelectric power plants water puts pressure on the plants all the time, in a perpetual motion machine force should be used only once to start the machine and then it would run on it's own
while in hydroeletric power plants force works on the plants all the time

From http://dictionary.reference.com/:



perpetual
[per-pech-oo-uh l]

adjective
1. continuing or enduring forever; everlasting.
2. lasting an indefinitely long time:
    perpetual snow.
3. continuing or continued without intermission or interruption; ceaseless:
    a perpetual stream of visitors all day.



motion
[moh-shuh n]

noun
1. the action or process of moving or of changing place or position; movement.
2. power of movement, as of a living body.
3. the manner of moving the body in walking; gait.
4. a bodily movement or change of posture; gesture.



Rains pour down water.
Water flows into dam reservoir.
Water flows through generator turbines.
Turbines turn generators, creating electricity.
Spent water evaporates into the air.

Rains pour down water...



PERPETUAL MOTION





EDIT:


perpetual motion (from http://dictionary.reference.com/)


noun, Mechanics
1. the motion of a theoretical mechanism that, without any losses due to friction or other forms of dissipation of energy, would continue to operate indefinitely at the same rate without any external energy being applied to it.



FURTHER EDIT:

Since we are talking about perpetual motion in the sense of getting more energy out of the device than is put into it, the term should be considered as perpetual (adjective) motion (noun), not perpetual motion (noun). If we were talking about only enough energy to keep it moving forever, without adding any energy or taking any energy out, then it would be perpetual motion (noun) of the second sense.

[bluefirecorp]

This has been done by a few companies now and they are selling the plans off instead of making them themselves because its 0 cost for them and like $2000 profit for them.

I can't believe how many people here say this thing is already invented..

Second law of thermodynamics directly contradicts usage of the perpetual motion machine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

It hasn't been invented yet and neither it will be, since it's impossible

realize this

perpetuum mobile, ain't gonna happen

perpetuum mobile

Perpetual motion electrical energy has been around for more than 100 years. What does anyone think that the hydroelectric power plants are? Do you think people created electrical energy? Realize once and for all that people don't create it. The energy is there for anyone to tap into, and that is all that people do. It will be there in one form or another perpetually, forever, or until the whole universe is destroyed. So why not magnet motors? Just because we haven't figured out how to make them practical, yet...

Water in high up place = potential energy.

Potential Energy -> Kinetic energy.

Water gets to high place via the water cycle. Outside forces.

It's not perpetual. It's using solar energy which is a finite resource. It's wasting quite a bit of energy too in the process (well, not really wasting, but every single bit of the sun's energy isn't be used at a 100% efficiency).

Maybe you should open up a physics book bro.

[BADecker]

This has been done by a few companies now and they are selling the plans off instead of making them themselves because its 0 cost for them and like $2000 profit for them.

I can't believe how many people here say this thing is already invented..

Second law of thermodynamics directly contradicts usage of the perpetual motion machine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

It hasn't been invented yet and neither it will be, since it's impossible

realize this

perpetuum mobile, ain't gonna happen

perpetuum mobile

image

Perpetual motion electrical energy has been around for more than 100 years. What does anyone think that the hydroelectric power plants are? Do you think people created electrical energy? Realize once and for all that people don't create it. The energy is there for anyone to tap into, and that is all that people do. It will be there in one form or another perpetually, forever, or until the whole universe is destroyed. So why not magnet motors? Just because we haven't figured out how to make them practical, yet...

Water in high up place = potential energy.

Potential Energy -> Kinetic energy.

Water gets to high place via the water cycle. Outside forces.

It's not perpetual. It's using solar energy which is a finite resource. It's wasting quite a bit of energy too in the process (well, not really wasting, but every single bit of the sun's energy isn't be used at a 100% efficiency).

Maybe you should open up a physics book bro.

PLEASE SEE MY EDITS ABOVE.



EDIT: Energy can not be created or destroyed. It can only be converted.

[bluefirecorp]

This has been done by a few companies now and they are selling the plans off instead of making them themselves because its 0 cost for them and like $2000 profit for them.

I can't believe how many people here say this thing is already invented..

Second law of thermodynamics directly contradicts usage of the perpetual motion machine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

It hasn't been invented yet and neither it will be, since it's impossible

realize this

perpetuum mobile, ain't gonna happen

perpetuum mobile

image

Perpetual motion electrical energy has been around for more than 100 years. What does anyone think that the hydroelectric power plants are? Do you think people created electrical energy? Realize once and for all that people don't create it. The energy is there for anyone to tap into, and that is all that people do. It will be there in one form or another perpetually, forever, or until the whole universe is destroyed. So why not magnet motors? Just because we haven't figured out how to make them practical, yet...

Water in high up place = potential energy.

Potential Energy -> Kinetic energy.

Water gets to high place via the water cycle. Outside forces.

It's not perpetual. It's using solar energy which is a finite resource. It's wasting quite a bit of energy too in the process (well, not really wasting, but every single bit of the sun's energy isn't be used at a 100% efficiency).

Maybe you should open up a physics book bro.

PLEASE SEE MY EDITS ABOVE.



EDIT: Energy can not be created or destroyed. It can only be converted.

My quote still stands. Energy is lost from the water cycle system (it rains other places, the sun burns hydrogen to produce heat / light, we're not putting hydrogen back into the sun).

[BADecker]

This has been done by a few companies now and they are selling the plans off instead of making them themselves because its 0 cost for them and like $2000 profit for them.

I can't believe how many people here say this thing is already invented..

Second law of thermodynamics directly contradicts usage of the perpetual motion machine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

It hasn't been invented yet and neither it will be, since it's impossible

realize this

perpetuum mobile, ain't gonna happen

perpetuum mobile

image

Perpetual motion electrical energy has been around for more than 100 years. What does anyone think that the hydroelectric power plants are? Do you think people created electrical energy? Realize once and for all that people don't create it. The energy is there for anyone to tap into, and that is all that people do. It will be there in one form or another perpetually, forever, or until the whole universe is destroyed. So why not magnet motors? Just because we haven't figured out how to make them practical, yet...

Water in high up place = potential energy.

Potential Energy -> Kinetic energy.

Water gets to high place via the water cycle. Outside forces.

It's not perpetual. It's using solar energy which is a finite resource. It's wasting quite a bit of energy too in the process (well, not really wasting, but every single bit of the sun's energy isn't be used at a 100% efficiency).

Maybe you should open up a physics book bro.

PLEASE SEE MY EDITS ABOVE.



EDIT: Energy can not be created or destroyed. It can only be converted.

My quote still stands. Energy is lost from the water cycle system (it rains other places, the sun burns hydrogen to produce heat / light, we're not putting hydrogen back into the sun).

Yes, but the universe acts as a unit. We don't exactly know the hows/whys/wheres/whats of magnetism and gravity. They react on the motion of the whole universe both macro-cosmically and micro-cosmically. Does this mean that someday the whole universe will run down and stop, simply because we make electricity? If we knew the answer to that question, we would have the perfect Unified Field Theory as a Law.

[bluefirecorp]

This has been done by a few companies now and they are selling the plans off instead of making them themselves because its 0 cost for them and like $2000 profit for them.

I can't believe how many people here say this thing is already invented..

Second law of thermodynamics directly contradicts usage of the perpetual motion machine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics

It hasn't been invented yet and neither it will be, since it's impossible

realize this

perpetuum mobile, ain't gonna happen

perpetuum mobile

image

Perpetual motion electrical energy has been around for more than 100 years. What does anyone think that the hydroelectric power plants are? Do you think people created electrical energy? Realize once and for all that people don't create it. The energy is there for anyone to tap into, and that is all that people do. It will be there in one form or another perpetually, forever, or until the whole universe is destroyed. So why not magnet motors? Just because we haven't figured out how to make them practical, yet...

Water in high up place = potential energy.

Potential Energy -> Kinetic energy.

Water gets to high place via the water cycle. Outside forces.

It's not perpetual. It's using solar energy which is a finite resource. It's wasting quite a bit of energy too in the process (well, not really wasting, but every single bit of the sun's energy isn't be used at a 100% efficiency).

Maybe you should open up a physics book bro.

PLEASE SEE MY EDITS ABOVE.



EDIT: Energy can not be created or destroyed. It can only be converted.

My quote still stands. Energy is lost from the water cycle system (it rains other places, the sun burns hydrogen to produce heat / light, we're not putting hydrogen back into the sun).

Yes, but the universe acts as a unit. We don't exactly know the hows/whys/wheres/whats of magnetism and gravity. They react on the motion of the whole universe both macro-cosmically and micro-cosmically. Does this mean that someday the whole universe will run down and stop, simply because we make electricity? If we knew the answer to that question, we would have the perfect Unified Field Theory as a Law.

Energy != Motion. Perpetual motion != cycling energy.

[spiceminer15]

it has to pull power from subspace like a zpm... stargate ftw

[CoinsCoinsEverywhere]

Yes, but the universe acts as a unit. We don't exactly know the hows/whys/wheres/whats of magnetism and gravity. They react on the motion of the whole universe both macro-cosmically and micro-cosmically. Does this mean that someday the whole universe will run down and stop, simply because we make electricity? If we knew the answer to that question, we would have the perfect Unified Field Theory as a Law.

We understand electricity, magnetism, and energy pretty well.  Over time, energy diffuses from higher concentrations (like stars) to area of lower concentration, and may eventually reach a uniform state.  It's like have a pot of hot water in a room.  Over time, the pot cools down as the energy diffuses to the rest of the room, and the rest of the room warms up a little bit.  Eventually, the "universe" in this example (pot + room) reaches a steady-state in which the energy is even distributed throughout the room (i.e., the temperature of the room and the temperature of the pot are the same).  The same kind of thing is happening to the universe as a whole.

[protokol]

Yes, but the universe acts as a unit. We don't exactly know the hows/whys/wheres/whats of magnetism and gravity. They react on the motion of the whole universe both macro-cosmically and micro-cosmically. Does this mean that someday the whole universe will run down and stop, simply because we make electricity? If we knew the answer to that question, we would have the perfect Unified Field Theory as a Law.

We understand electricity, magnetism, and energy pretty well.  Over time, energy diffuses from higher concentrations (like stars) to area of lower concentration, and may eventually reach a uniform state.  It's like have a pot of hot water in a room.  Over time, the pot cools down as the energy diffuses to the rest of the room, and the rest of the room warms up a little bit.  Eventually, the "universe" in this example (pot + room) reaches a steady-state in which the energy is even distributed throughout the room (i.e., the temperature of the room and the temperature of the pot are the same).  The same kind of thing is happening to the universe as a whole.

Yes this is correct, the general theory is called the "heat death" of the universe, where it approaches maximum entropy and basically does "run down and stop". I don't see how this relates to having Unified Field Theory as a law?

Anyway all these ideas of "perpetual motion" and over-unity devices are utter bollocks, it is impossible to create a device that produces more energy than it consumes. I've had this conversation with some of my conspiracy theorist friends, who are adamant that this technology exists and is being "suppressed" by the government. Yet they can never show any proof other than shitty youtube videos.

The other idea which tends to be thrown around is that it's possible to harness "zero-point energy", which I don't believe as it violates Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle: If we were to "extract" the zero-point energy, then we would know the position AND speed of the particle.

I do accept that large energy corporations/governments could be suppressing other energy technologies, such as more efficient ways of harnessing renewable energy, nuclear fusion research, thorium based power etc.

But this idea that they are suppressing simple, cheap perpetual motion/over-unity machines (that defy the known laws of thermodynamics) that we could all power our homes with is just nonsense, sorry.

[BADecker]

Yes, but the universe acts as a unit. We don't exactly know the hows/whys/wheres/whats of magnetism and gravity. They react on the motion of the whole universe both macro-cosmically and micro-cosmically. Does this mean that someday the whole universe will run down and stop, simply because we make electricity? If we knew the answer to that question, we would have the perfect Unified Field Theory as a Law.

We understand electricity, magnetism, and energy pretty well.  Over time, energy diffuses from higher concentrations (like stars) to area of lower concentration, and may eventually reach a uniform state.  It's like have a pot of hot water in a room.  Over time, the pot cools down as the energy diffuses to the rest of the room, and the rest of the room warms up a little bit.  Eventually, the "universe" in this example (pot + room) reaches a steady-state in which the energy is even distributed throughout the room (i.e., the temperature of the room and the temperature of the pot are the same).  The same kind of thing is happening to the universe as a whole.

Yes this is correct, the general theory is called the "heat death" of the universe, where it approaches maximum entropy and basically does "run down and stop". I don't see how this relates to having Unified Field Theory as a law?

Anyway all these ideas of "perpetual motion" and over-unity devices are utter bollocks, it is impossible to create a device that produces more energy than it consumes. I've had this conversation with some of my conspiracy theorist friends, who are adamant that this technology exists and is being "suppressed" by the government. Yet they can never show any proof other than shitty youtube videos.

The other idea which tends to be thrown around is that it's possible to harness "zero-point energy", which I don't believe as it violates Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle: If we were to "extract" the zero-point energy, then we would know the position AND speed of the particle.

I do accept that large energy corporations/governments could be suppressing other energy technologies, such as more efficient ways of harnessing renewable energy, nuclear fusion research, thorium based power etc.

But this idea that they are suppressing simple, cheap perpetual motion/over-unity machines (that defy the known laws of thermodynamics) that we could all power our homes with is just nonsense, sorry.

Okay. Let's see if I can say it really clearly and briefly.

First Class: Perpetual Motion, as a noun, where it could be written PerpetualMotion, or Perpetual-motion, is what the scientists mean, and what the laymen usually do NOT mean. This PM means, once started into motion, no added energy, no energy loss, and continuing to run perpetually.

Second Class: Perpetual motion as the layman usually means it is where you get out at least a little more energy than you put in. Magnet motor generators fall into this class.

First Class is impossible by any means science understands because their is always loss due to friction.

Second Class is impossible because you can't get more out of something than there is in it.

There is a Third Class. This is where a form of energy that we do not understand and can't even observe is going in, and it is being converted, to come out in a form that we DO understand, like static magnetism or active electricity. There are all kinds of people that call this Third Class, PERPETUAL MOTION.

If anybody is so bold that he claims that he knows FOR A FACT that we know everything about the universe, he is a fool. We ABSOLUTELY DON'T know for a fact that a magnet is NOT a converter of some form of energy that we know little or nothing about, and that the magnet, itself, helps us to convert that unknown energy into electrical energy.

Is someone wrong for calling something like this magnetic generator/motor a perpetual motion machine? In the technical sense, yes. But there will come a time - and it might be here already - when enough people call this a PM machine, so it is accepted by such in the eyes of everybody.

There are two more things to say:
1. much of the disagreement in this topic is over semantics;
2. I believe that there are political trolls who are constantly suggesting that such a "perpetual motion" machine can't work, because they are working for the government and the power companies, and are trying to keep the power companies from losing any more money than they are already losing to solar.

[Kieran Bass]

THis is pretty cool!

[BombaUcigasa]

THis is pretty cool!

You know what's more cool? Stay in school!

That way, you don't get amazed at fake bullshit and learn a bit about how the world works.