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September 24, 2017, 03:17:33 PM
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Why would it be impossible for him to know about BURST prior to that "white paper" of his?

 On the other hand, if he DID know about BURST prior to publishing his "white paper" then he's little more than a ripoff.


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September 25, 2017, 03:47:20 AM
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Why would it be impossible for him to know about BURST prior to that "white paper" of his?

 On the other hand, if he DID know about BURST prior to publishing his "white paper" then he's little more than a ripoff.



Im sure he did but it was maybe good that he didnt mention anything about Burst if he didnt have anything good to say about it. There were some developers who said that Burst's Proof of Capacity algorithm is broken to the core. Maybe its better to give the PoCC more time to fix the core problems before marketing the project again.
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September 26, 2017, 06:39:35 AM
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Im sure he did but it was maybe good that he didnt mention anything about Burst if he didnt have anything good to say about it. There were some developers who said that Burst's Proof of Capacity algorithm is broken to the core. Maybe its better to give the PoCC more time to fix the core problems before marketing the project again.

There were people who said the world will end September, 23rd 2017.

Could you please name at least two developers who "said that Burst's Proof of Capacity algorithm is broken to the core"?

I would like to get this out of the way before I point out the - roughly - 50 errors you and your chat pingpong partners were able to spill in the last 5 messages or so.

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September 26, 2017, 07:09:50 PM
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He's likely talking about comments made by crowtec (sp?) shortly before they dropped out of BURST.


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September 26, 2017, 07:50:30 PM
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September 27, 2017, 01:22:19 AM
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September 27, 2017, 03:41:02 AM
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He's likely talking about comments made by crowtec (sp?) shortly before they dropped out of BURST.



Yeah this. What happened there and why did they drop out of Burst?

Rico, yes please do enlighten us. I know I may have made some mistakes in my comments but I would welcome be thankful of any comments that would correct those mistakes.

It would also be to the benefit of the people who come to the thread. Ty.
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September 27, 2017, 03:45:14 AM
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Why would it be impossible for him to know about BURST prior to that "white paper" of his?

 On the other hand, if he DID know about BURST prior to publishing his "white paper" then he's little more than a ripoff.



Im sure he did but it was maybe good that he didnt mention anything about Burst if he didnt have anything good to say about it. There were some developers who said that Burst's Proof of Capacity algorithm is broken to the core. Maybe its better to give the PoCC more time to fix the core problems before marketing the project again.

I'm sure the storage space would be growing much faster if it was broken. I've seen no published proof that it is broken.

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September 27, 2017, 07:04:48 AM
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He's likely talking about comments made by crowtec (sp?) shortly before they dropped out of BURST.
Yeah this. What happened there and why did they drop out of Burst?
Rico, yes please do enlighten us. I know I may have made some mistakes in my comments but I would welcome be thankful of any comments that would correct those mistakes.
It would also be to the benefit of the people who come to the thread. Ty.

Certainly you refer to this exit post from crowetic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1323657.msg19868944#msg19868944

So to make some things clear:

  • Crowetic is no developer and has never been. I do not say this to discredit him in any way, it's a simple fact he also stated himself many times. He was sysadmin and he had (maybe paid) developers to look into things. So I would see him as kind of "facilitator", but not developer.
  • He is one man. So when you said "There were some developers who said..." you have blown things out of proportion. No developer and not plural.
  • Even Crowetic stated - and I quote: "I fully believe the algo is able to be exploited". Now while this shows a strong belief, it is nothing else than that: a belief.

Crowetic believed many other things in his "Exit post", which were partially true (like the network not being able to handle the max num of transactions without forking at the time of his post) and some which were not true because as a non-dev he had not enough insight into these matters.

Again, I would like to state that all of this is in no way meant to discredit him. It's only meant as a clarification, so that "Word of mouth" doesn't start to skew the facts more and more.


There were no developers, not even a single one who said that BURST is broken to the core. There was one non-dev guy who said he believes that.


Ok?

Now he also said he does believe some other things, which have proven to be untrue. Like BURST could only be repaired when written anew "from scratch up" and the similar.
That was provably untrue, because BURST today has already rock solid wallets/nodes - if you happen to use the right version.
https://explore.burst.cryptoguru.org/tool/observe (the number of valid nodes was somewhere in the single-digit percentage when Crowetic wrote his post)


If you look at the changes necessary to make BURST stable and being able to cope with max-TXs capacity, it was not that much. You just had to know/find where to apply your patch.

Nevertheless, in the meantime much more work happened on the BURST core. We actually started to make fundamental changes - which Crowetic also called for - to the code base to make it fit for future requirements. So the situation is not like "Maybe its better to give the PoCC more time to fix the core problems..."

The situation is much more such, that the PoCC and the remaining core devs have already fixed the problems that plagued BURST in July and are now already en route to implement things Crowetic wouldn't even have hoped for 3 months ago. Like DB independece, multiple DB backends which did require significant changes to the underlying infrastructure.

We are running a permanent TestNet and the wallet there is - intentionally - beaten rigorously. Because of this we have fixed errors and problems Crowetic (and others) weren't even aware of!
As problems of stability become a thing of the past, new paths open up for developing functionality and infrastructure. We are entering the "age of emancipation", where the BURST code base starts to be better in certain aspects than the original (and present) NXT code base. And this trend will continue - as we did already announce in our 1st announcement

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We will change this and we will change it fast, because
even NXT has not the development capacities we are bringing to the
table right now.

Is there much work to do? YES! Is some magic ultra-rocket science needed? NO! Just plain old good software engineering, done by people with the skills, experience and dedication.

That's all it takes for now.


Of course, we do have some magic ultra-rocket science available when needed.  Wink


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September 28, 2017, 12:38:38 AM
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Rico666, thank you so much for the thorough explanation and for the whole backstory on Crowetic. That explains so much. Anyway, is there a new implementation besides the one written in Java? Compatibility is nice but the wallet is slow, dont you think?
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September 28, 2017, 12:44:53 AM
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I used to own some BURST.... will have to look back into it and see if any active developments are taking place.  It's been a while.
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September 28, 2017, 07:21:32 AM
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I used to own some BURST.... will have to look back into it and see if any active developments are taking place.  It's been a while.

Wallet active development: https://github.com/ac0v/burstcoin
More announcements: https://forums.getburst.net/c/burst-community-announcements (other projects)
or click the link "BURST Activities" in my sig.

Rico666, thank you so much for the thorough explanation and for the whole backstory on Crowetic. That explains so much. Anyway, is there a new implementation besides the one written in Java? Compatibility is nice but the wallet is slow, dont you think?

If by slow you mean "slow resync time", that the wallet needs some time to resync with the network (last I heard was 12 hours from block 0), then yes, it could be faster and - spoiler alert - it will be faster in 1.3.6cg. You can alleviate the 100% CPU usage if you have a GPU and let that help out. Then it'll be a little faster and your CPU load will be low (while the GPU will show load only intermittently).

Other than that, the wallet is actually pretty fast for continuous operation. At the moment we will focus on the JAVA implementation, not because we like it, but because we actually got it to a point where it makes sense to build upon that rather than to throw it all away. If some enthusiastic young programmer comes along and wants to re-implement it in Rust, Go or whatever, we will not stop him.  Wink

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September 29, 2017, 02:51:33 AM
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Rico666, coding in Haskell is also a hot topic for some group of developers who work on cryptocurrencies. I found this video on Youtube while browsing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjyiOXRuUdo

I also found this thread about starting a new Proof of Capacity chain in Burst's Reddit that might be of interest to you, or not, but it could start a good discussion on the topic.

https://www.reddit.com/r/burstcoin/comments/72oql0/would_it_be_a_good_idea_if_the_pocc_started_a_new/

According to him, copying NXT's strategy with Ardor by starting another blockchain project can be a better way than continuing on with the development of Burst. Do you agree?




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September 29, 2017, 10:42:46 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/burstcoin/comments/72oql0/would_it_be_a_good_idea_if_the_pocc_started_a_new/

According to him, copying NXT's strategy with Ardor by starting another blockchain project can be a better way than continuing on with the development of Burst. Do you agree?

I made a comment there on behalf of the PoCC. Obviously we disagree:


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I would like to comment on all of this on PoCC's behalf.

Some of you use formulations like "I'd like to see", "I propose we start", "I believe XXX is better", "We should..." and the like. Well - roll up your sleeves and start working. Good luck.

Everyone else listen up:

There is no fighting between BURST developers. Developers respect each other because they know 1st hand experience that development is a demanding process that requires way more skills and discipline than just babbling around. Those who are no developers and just managed to learn how to babble around will sooner or later become irrelevant to the project, because they bring nothing to the table. Their stakes will become obsolete.

There will be no new PoC coin from the PoCC. Not in the foreseeable future. Nothing like that is planned. No new blockchain. So either you start to love BURST or you find yourself a new girlfriend.

Ok, we may rework BURST from the ground up leaving no stone unturned, we may even give the child a new name or do some rebranding at some point in the far far future. Please read up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus to enhance your understanding of the terms "new" and "the same" - and maybe to understand what will happen to BURST.

Still, we have no dogma or ideology that would prevent us from blatantly stealing the best concepts of other crypto coins and use them for BURST. Fortunately we are experienced enough to not succumb to some "not invented here" syndrome.

So anyone writing off BURST and hoping for some miracle new coin, is making a terrible mistake. We know that and we're telling you. All you have to do is to believe. The sooner you do, the more profit you'll make. One thing we can't do, is to blatantly steal some great community of some other coin. Just yesterday we discussed how technically bad Doge is in comparison with BURST. There is no single technological aspect, where BURST wouldn't blow Doge out of the water.

Yet, Doge has like 10 times the market cap of BURST. Maybe it's their great community? They fundraise for some poor bobsled teams, bring their coin to the moon - like for real, etc.. And at least we are not aware of any war rages within their community.

So if you want a great PoC coin, and if you are no developer, then simply make yourself heard in the BURST community that you do not want or accept people who spread hatred, FUD or whatever. That applies for everyone, be them the PoCC, Burst-Team or BurstNation.

There may be ideological differences, but for the time being we HAVE TO and WILL live on the same blockchain.

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September 29, 2017, 03:50:39 PM
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Finally some progress in development! Hopefully it will move price up, because after this last big correction many people lost faith in BURST..
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October 01, 2017, 01:51:42 AM
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Hi,
I am trying to setup burst.
My progress is here

*  To mine here you need to set your "reward recipient" to BURST-SPAC-EWWF-CRX2-78Z6Z.
   This costs 1 BURST and you need to wait 4 blocks before it takes effect.


I need to 1 burst to proceed. may you send me 1 burst to this address


BURST-JVGH-896Q-JL6G-2JDEN
Thank you in advance
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October 01, 2017, 03:17:06 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/burstcoin/comments/72oql0/would_it_be_a_good_idea_if_the_pocc_started_a_new/

According to him, copying NXT's strategy with Ardor by starting another blockchain project can be a better way than continuing on with the development of Burst. Do you agree?

I made a comment there on behalf of the PoCC. Obviously we disagree:


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I would like to comment on all of this on PoCC's behalf.

Some of you use formulations like "I'd like to see", "I propose we start", "I believe XXX is better", "We should..." and the like. Well - roll up your sleeves and start working. Good luck.

Everyone else listen up:

There is no fighting between BURST developers. Developers respect each other because they know 1st hand experience that development is a demanding process that requires way more skills and discipline than just babbling around. Those who are no developers and just managed to learn how to babble around will sooner or later become irrelevant to the project, because they bring nothing to the table. Their stakes will become obsolete.

There will be no new PoC coin from the PoCC. Not in the foreseeable future. Nothing like that is planned. No new blockchain. So either you start to love BURST or you find yourself a new girlfriend.

Ok, we may rework BURST from the ground up leaving no stone unturned, we may even give the child a new name or do some rebranding at some point in the far far future. Please read up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus to enhance your understanding of the terms "new" and "the same" - and maybe to understand what will happen to BURST.

Still, we have no dogma or ideology that would prevent us from blatantly stealing the best concepts of other crypto coins and use them for BURST. Fortunately we are experienced enough to not succumb to some "not invented here" syndrome.

So anyone writing off BURST and hoping for some miracle new coin, is making a terrible mistake. We know that and we're telling you. All you have to do is to believe. The sooner you do, the more profit you'll make. One thing we can't do, is to blatantly steal some great community of some other coin. Just yesterday we discussed how technically bad Doge is in comparison with BURST. There is no single technological aspect, where BURST wouldn't blow Doge out of the water.

Yet, Doge has like 10 times the market cap of BURST. Maybe it's their great community? They fundraise for some poor bobsled teams, bring their coin to the moon - like for real, etc.. And at least we are not aware of any war rages within their community.
https://imnotdead.co.uk/blog/coinomi
So if you want a great PoC coin, and if you are no developer, then simply make yourself heard in the BURST community that you do not want or accept people who spread hatred, FUD or whatever. That applies for everyone, be them the PoCC, Burst-Team or BurstNation.

There may be ideological differences, but for the time being we HAVE TO and WILL live on the same blockchain.

Good reply. Your post clearly shows the commitment of the PoCC in developing Burst into a top cryptocurrency. But I dont think that the fa-yerrr guy on Reddit is wrong in trying to create a controversial discussion because he was wrongly informed about Burst's distribution.
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October 03, 2017, 08:58:56 AM
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Excelent summary. I promte burst until block first in crypto world in my country and still want to do that.

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October 03, 2017, 10:25:33 PM
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Excelent summary. I promte burst until block first in crypto world in my country and still want to do that.

Just picked up a bag of burst. love the tech. are there any other blockchains out there that use proof of capacity like burst?
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October 04, 2017, 12:31:02 AM
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Excelent summary. I promte burst until block first in crypto world in my country and still want to do that.

Just picked up a bag of burst. love the tech. are there any other blockchains out there that use proof of capacity like burst?

Nope, Burst is the only one using PoC (hdd mining).

Grow the Dividend Snek! (pm me if you have questions)
https://powh.io/?masternode=0x1f9b145fdaef2b82aef29c2f3c9b875a8b017512
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