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June 30, 2018, 01:17:02 AM
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The scientific proof that God exists is all around us. People are brainwashed into thinking that the scientific proof for God doesn't exist.

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June 30, 2018, 01:22:17 AM
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You can replace Yahweh with god in my argument if you need to. You obviously mean Yahweh when you say god, as far as I know you don't believe in Zeus, you said plenty of times you believe in the god from the bible.

nothing in your argument indicates what caused the universe. Just that it had to be more complex. ''If this isn't enough, throw in the machine nature of the universe, and the fact that machines have makers, and the proof becomes super-solid.'' Redundancy, this would prove that the universe has a maker, I already agreed with that statement, so what? Machines have makers, the universe is a machine? Fine, lets say it is, the universe has makers then, so what, again? How do you know it's only 1 maker and it's a god? How do you know it's not many creators and how do you know they are gods? Your argument does not say they have to be gods, it just says they/it has to be more complex than the universe.

Again, your argument is meaningless.

There you go, again, trying to turn this thread into a religious thread.

If there was not a oneness to GM, the parts of all the cars would never fit properly. So, even if GM is made up of many people, they are all one when it comes to the making of working automobiles.

The universe and laws of physics are way more complex than GM. God is One, even if He is made up of many entities.

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You keep saying god though, but again, nothing in your argument indicates it's a ''god''. Your argument says machines have makers, plural. The universe could easily have makers too then. ''the parts of all the cars would never fit properly'' Because you say so? Is that how it works? You just make up stuff along the way to fit your argument? ''they are all one when it comes to the making of working automobiles.'' No they aren't. Just like a few people can build a car, they are not one, they are many, someone might be responsible for the engine and someone else for the windows, your argument is garbage. Rip badecker. You will not comeback from this no matter how hard you try lol

You must have skipped a bunch of grades in school. You are kinda messed up if you think that car builders can all work independently and sort of accidentally come up with parts that fit together in the same car.

The word "God" fits by definition. If there are connotations to that word that you don't like, use some other word(s) that work for you better.

There is nothing other than intelligent design that we have as an example for the kind of complex operation that makes up what the universe is all about.

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June 30, 2018, 01:25:26 AM
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God exist, if you believe in the Holy Scripture the Bible you will know that God exist. If we don't have God? Who created us? Big bang? A stupid theory that invented. Consult Bro. Eli Soriano in Ang Dating Daan.
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June 30, 2018, 01:25:36 AM
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if you believe in satan, do you believe in god

satan is easier to prove

The proof for God already has been shown. The proof for Satan is for another thread, but it relies on the proof for God. How? Satan is the destroyer. But destruction can't destroy something that doesn't exist. God made it. Satan attempted to destroy it, and had some success. But it still stands, so Satan is way weaker.

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June 30, 2018, 01:37:02 AM
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How can Darwin's theory be logical? Because we all see animals that mutates and etc? Okay, let's accept that for the sake of argument. But let me ask, what is the missing link that was to prove that huma beings are from apes? Scientists have proven that the missing link proposed by Charles Darwin was false! He just fused the bones of a human and an ape. This was published as one of the biggest lies of the world.

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June 30, 2018, 08:58:25 AM
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You can replace Yahweh with god in my argument if you need to. You obviously mean Yahweh when you say god, as far as I know you don't believe in Zeus, you said plenty of times you believe in the god from the bible.

nothing in your argument indicates what caused the universe. Just that it had to be more complex. ''If this isn't enough, throw in the machine nature of the universe, and the fact that machines have makers, and the proof becomes super-solid.'' Redundancy, this would prove that the universe has a maker, I already agreed with that statement, so what? Machines have makers, the universe is a machine? Fine, lets say it is, the universe has makers then, so what, again? How do you know it's only 1 maker and it's a god? How do you know it's not many creators and how do you know they are gods? Your argument does not say they have to be gods, it just says they/it has to be more complex than the universe.

Again, your argument is meaningless.

There you go, again, trying to turn this thread into a religious thread.

If there was not a oneness to GM, the parts of all the cars would never fit properly. So, even if GM is made up of many people, they are all one when it comes to the making of working automobiles.

The universe and laws of physics are way more complex than GM. God is One, even if He is made up of many entities.

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You keep saying god though, but again, nothing in your argument indicates it's a ''god''. Your argument says machines have makers, plural. The universe could easily have makers too then. ''the parts of all the cars would never fit properly'' Because you say so? Is that how it works? You just make up stuff along the way to fit your argument? ''they are all one when it comes to the making of working automobiles.'' No they aren't. Just like a few people can build a car, they are not one, they are many, someone might be responsible for the engine and someone else for the windows, your argument is garbage. Rip badecker. You will not comeback from this no matter how hard you try lol

You must have skipped a bunch of grades in school. You are kinda messed up if you think that car builders can all work independently and sort of accidentally come up with parts that fit together in the same car.

The word "God" fits by definition. If there are connotations to that word that you don't like, use some other word(s) that work for you better.

There is nothing other than intelligent design that we have as an example for the kind of complex operation that makes up what the universe is all about.

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''You are kinda messed up if you think that car builders can all work independently and sort of accidentally come up with parts that fit together in the same car.'' Who said accidentally? I said different creators working together. Stop making shit up.

The word ''god'' is a made up word. Many things are defined as ''creator of the universe'' You have a ton of gods that fit that definition. Do you know Zeno from dragon ball? He also fits the definition, he is the creator of all the universes, I guess I could say Zeno did it because it fits the definition right?

Unfortunately even then, it's wrong because what definition does it fit? As previously mentioned nothing in your argument rules out the possibility of different entities creating the universe just like a lot of people work together to build a house or a car and YES they have to work together but they don't have to be one.


''There is nothing other than intelligent design that we have as an example for the kind of complex operation that makes up what the universe is all about. '' Intelligent design =/= a god. It just means it has to be more complex and very intelligent.

Still a garbage argument, as I said, you are not getting out of this one.



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July 01, 2018, 12:02:51 PM
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I'm deist , i don't know.
Is better, i think.
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July 01, 2018, 12:13:18 PM
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.and not 1 shred of evidence.
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July 01, 2018, 12:35:10 PM
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As long as christians continue to gang up as only a masonic brotherhood would feel the need to agains a soul son who just happened to find his god in his way, yes, I will place them in the same box, for this is what they do with anyone, who, like me, not only think outside the box, but live.
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''You are kinda messed up if you think that car builders can all work independently and sort of accidentally come up with parts that fit together in the same car.'' Who said accidentally? I said different creators working together. Stop making shit up. THE COMPLEXITY OF THE UNIVERSE IS TOO GREAT FOR INDIVIDUAL CREATORS TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SOMETHING LIKE OUR UNIVERSE. THEIR TOGETHERNESS WOULD HAVE TO BE SO GREAT THAT THEY WOULD BE WORKING AS ONE.

The word ''god'' is a made up word. Many things are defined as ''creator of the universe'' You have a ton of gods that fit that definition. Do you know Zeno from dragon ball? He also fits the definition, he is the creator of all the universes, I guess I could say Zeno did it because it fits the definition right? THIS TOPIC IS NOT ABOUT THE DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF GOD. IF SOMEBODY HAS A DEFINITION OF GOD THAT FITS THE SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN GOD, MORE POWER TO HIM.

Unfortunately even then, it's wrong because what definition does it fit? THE SCIENTIFIC DEFINITION THAT I HAVE BEEN SHOWING YOU. As previously mentioned nothing in your argument rules out the possibility of different entities creating the universe just like a lot of people work together to build a house or a car and YES they have to work together but they don't have to be one. THE COMPLEXITY OF PROJECT UNIVERSE, WHICH COMPLEXITY WE ARE ONLY BEGINNING TO FIND OUT ABOUT A TAD.


''There is nothing other than intelligent design that we have as an example for the kind of complex operation that makes up what the universe is all about. '' Intelligent design =/= a god. It just means it has to be more complex and very intelligent. AGAIN, THE COMPLEXITY IS THE COMPLEXITY OF THE UNIVERSE... SOMETHING WE HAVE ONLY BEGUN TO DISCOVER THE DETAILS OF.

Still a garbage argument, as I said, you are not getting out of this one.

Now don't be demeaning yourself by calling your thinking "garbage argument" like that. You are a pretty good thinker. But when are you going to recognize that you are doing yourself a disfavor when you won't recognize the scientific proof for God as you have been doing?

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July 02, 2018, 10:03:24 AM
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''You are kinda messed up if you think that car builders can all work independently and sort of accidentally come up with parts that fit together in the same car.'' Who said accidentally? I said different creators working together. Stop making shit up. THE COMPLEXITY OF THE UNIVERSE IS TOO GREAT FOR INDIVIDUAL CREATORS TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SOMETHING LIKE OUR UNIVERSE. THEIR TOGETHERNESS WOULD HAVE TO BE SO GREAT THAT THEY WOULD BE WORKING AS ONE.

The word ''god'' is a made up word. Many things are defined as ''creator of the universe'' You have a ton of gods that fit that definition. Do you know Zeno from dragon ball? He also fits the definition, he is the creator of all the universes, I guess I could say Zeno did it because it fits the definition right? THIS TOPIC IS NOT ABOUT THE DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF GOD. IF SOMEBODY HAS A DEFINITION OF GOD THAT FITS THE SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN GOD, MORE POWER TO HIM.

Unfortunately even then, it's wrong because what definition does it fit? THE SCIENTIFIC DEFINITION THAT I HAVE BEEN SHOWING YOU. As previously mentioned nothing in your argument rules out the possibility of different entities creating the universe just like a lot of people work together to build a house or a car and YES they have to work together but they don't have to be one. THE COMPLEXITY OF PROJECT UNIVERSE, WHICH COMPLEXITY WE ARE ONLY BEGINNING TO FIND OUT ABOUT A TAD.


''There is nothing other than intelligent design that we have as an example for the kind of complex operation that makes up what the universe is all about. '' Intelligent design =/= a god. It just means it has to be more complex and very intelligent. AGAIN, THE COMPLEXITY IS THE COMPLEXITY OF THE UNIVERSE... SOMETHING WE HAVE ONLY BEGUN TO DISCOVER THE DETAILS OF.

Still a garbage argument, as I said, you are not getting out of this one.

Now don't be demeaning yourself by calling your thinking "garbage argument" like that. You are a pretty good thinker. But when are you going to recognize that you are doing yourself a disfavor when you won't recognize the scientific proof for God as you have been doing?

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''THE COMPLEXITY OF THE UNIVERSE IS TOO GREAT FOR INDIVIDUAL CREATORS TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SOMETHING LIKE OUR UNIVERSE. THEIR TOGETHERNESS WOULD HAVE TO BE SO GREAT THAT THEY WOULD BE WORKING AS ONE.'' Nothing in your argument said anything about that, how did you determine that the universe is ''too complex''? Again, you are just making shit up, still a garbage argument. Tell me the math or evidence that shows the universe is too complex for individual creators to work together and create it. Rofl, let's see what you come up with now.



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Can anyone offer scientific proof that God does not exist?
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''THE COMPLEXITY OF THE UNIVERSE IS TOO GREAT FOR INDIVIDUAL CREATORS TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SOMETHING LIKE OUR UNIVERSE. THEIR TOGETHERNESS WOULD HAVE TO BE SO GREAT THAT THEY WOULD BE WORKING AS ONE.'' Nothing in your argument said anything about that, how did you determine that the universe is ''too complex''? Again, you are just making shit up, still a garbage argument. Tell me the math or evidence that shows the universe is too complex for individual creators to work together and create it. Rofl, let's see what you come up with now.

Any time you want to look at science and common sense, and come back with an answer that includes these, it might be worth responding to you. As it is, you are a joke. You can ask any doctor or researcher about the complexity of the universe. I wonder if you can even hear their answer.

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July 02, 2018, 12:58:20 PM
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''THE COMPLEXITY OF THE UNIVERSE IS TOO GREAT FOR INDIVIDUAL CREATORS TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SOMETHING LIKE OUR UNIVERSE. THEIR TOGETHERNESS WOULD HAVE TO BE SO GREAT THAT THEY WOULD BE WORKING AS ONE.'' Nothing in your argument said anything about that, how did you determine that the universe is ''too complex''? Again, you are just making shit up, still a garbage argument. Tell me the math or evidence that shows the universe is too complex for individual creators to work together and create it. Rofl, let's see what you come up with now.

Any time you want to look at science and common sense, and come back with an answer that includes these, it might be worth responding to you. As it is, you are a joke. You can ask any doctor or researcher about the complexity of the universe. I wonder if you can even hear their answer.

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I already agreed with you, the universe is complex, your argument involves complexity. You said the universe is complex therefore the creator/creators have to be even more complex. As I said, even if we agree with that premise, how do you know it's not many creators? Then you said it's too complex to be created by many creators, why? How do you know that? How did you calculate how complex it is?

As I said, you are not getting away with this one, sorry.



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July 02, 2018, 01:13:45 PM
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''THE COMPLEXITY OF THE UNIVERSE IS TOO GREAT FOR INDIVIDUAL CREATORS TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SOMETHING LIKE OUR UNIVERSE. THEIR TOGETHERNESS WOULD HAVE TO BE SO GREAT THAT THEY WOULD BE WORKING AS ONE.'' Nothing in your argument said anything about that, how did you determine that the universe is ''too complex''? Again, you are just making shit up, still a garbage argument. Tell me the math or evidence that shows the universe is too complex for individual creators to work together and create it. Rofl, let's see what you come up with now.

Any time you want to look at science and common sense, and come back with an answer that includes these, it might be worth responding to you. As it is, you are a joke. You can ask any doctor or researcher about the complexity of the universe. I wonder if you can even hear their answer.

Cool

I already agreed with you, the universe is complex, your argument involves complexity. You said the universe is complex therefore the creator/creators have to be even more complex. As I said, even if we agree with that premise, how do you know it's not many creators? Then you said it's too complex to be created by many creators, why? How do you know that? How did you calculate how complex it is?

As I said, you are not getting away with this one, sorry.

Since you agree with me, where do you get your knowledge? Get away with what one? And going where, I wonder?

If you drill a hole in a piece of wood, and af-newbie happens to have a screw too big for the hole, the screw won't fit. The two of you need to be acting as one regarding the hole and screw size if you want it to fit. How much more regarding the whole universe. Any group that makes something as complex as the universe would be required to work as one if they wanted the universe to work at all.

Whatever God is made out of, be it many parts or just a single entity, regarding the creation of the universe, God is One God.

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July 02, 2018, 01:55:43 PM
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''THE COMPLEXITY OF THE UNIVERSE IS TOO GREAT FOR INDIVIDUAL CREATORS TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SOMETHING LIKE OUR UNIVERSE. THEIR TOGETHERNESS WOULD HAVE TO BE SO GREAT THAT THEY WOULD BE WORKING AS ONE.'' Nothing in your argument said anything about that, how did you determine that the universe is ''too complex''? Again, you are just making shit up, still a garbage argument. Tell me the math or evidence that shows the universe is too complex for individual creators to work together and create it. Rofl, let's see what you come up with now.

Any time you want to look at science and common sense, and come back with an answer that includes these, it might be worth responding to you. As it is, you are a joke. You can ask any doctor or researcher about the complexity of the universe. I wonder if you can even hear their answer.

Cool

I already agreed with you, the universe is complex, your argument involves complexity. You said the universe is complex therefore the creator/creators have to be even more complex. As I said, even if we agree with that premise, how do you know it's not many creators? Then you said it's too complex to be created by many creators, why? How do you know that? How did you calculate how complex it is?

As I said, you are not getting away with this one, sorry.

Since you agree with me, where do you get your knowledge? Get away with what one? And going where, I wonder?

If you drill a hole in a piece of wood, and af-newbie happens to have a screw too big for the hole, the screw won't fit. The two of you need to be acting as one regarding the hole and screw size if you want it to fit. How much more regarding the whole universe. Any group that makes something as complex as the universe would be required to work as one if they wanted the universe to work at all.

Whatever God is made out of, be it many parts or just a single entity, regarding the creation of the universe, God is One God.

Cool

'''Whatever God is made out of, be it many parts or just a single entity, regarding the creation of the universe, God is One God.'' Why? Because you say so?

''be it many parts or just a single entity'' I didn't say parts of a single entity but different entities. Nothing in your argument rules out the possibility of different entities, does it? You are not getting away this time, sorry Cool



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July 02, 2018, 02:24:10 PM
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Can anyone offer scientific proof that God does not exist?

That's the question backwards. It's not about proving it does not exist because we can not proof a lot of things that do not exist. Ex: give me proof that the spaghettimonster does not exist?
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July 02, 2018, 02:42:58 PM
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He can subdue his theory on the same peer review that has led to other scientific breakthroughs. Instead he published it on his blog. Why? Because you have to be scientifically illiterate not to see problems with counter-theories. Not that life is well understood
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July 02, 2018, 10:04:25 PM
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Do you exist? DO YOU EXIST, IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO PROOF IT? Really? In my opinion it exists(like me) and i dont need proof. Thanks for your answer.
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July 02, 2018, 10:19:31 PM
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Can anyone offer scientific proof that God does not exist?

That's the question backwards. It's not about proving it does not exist because we can not proof a lot of things that do not exist. Ex: give me proof that the spaghettimonster does not exist?


Yes we have factual evidence he was created by a puppeteer and cartoonist.This is a well known fact.

Now back to my original question which you have not answered yet...A simple yes or no will suffice and don't deviate from the question or speculate with your answer.

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