Scientific proof that God exists?

[Geraldo]

Basically, any website named 10 Proofs For God is well known to anyone with an iq bigger than his show size that it has bullshit written all over it. Information taken completely out of context to present a lie as truth. You have to learn how Family trees expansions work and how you and I are certain to have one common ancestor. That doesnt mean thought that that one common ancestor was the only one alive at the time.

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[Geraldo]

When you look up the white papers of the original scientists behind the dating of the earth, and the notes about their white papers, you will find that they state that they set the dates of things arbitrarily, so that there would be order in the scientific investigation. In other words, the scientific dating of the earth and universe is an arbitrary thing. Later scientists simply continued this practice. Standard scientific dating is make-believe.

The Bible is eye witness accounts. There are no talking snakes listed in the Bible. There is only one, who was controlled by the devil, Satan.

People teach chimpanzees to talk. Even dogs can be taught to talk, even though it is difficult to understand what they are saying.

Look at the vast numbers of fossilized life from the past. The fossil record shows that there were 2 or 3 times as many forms of life in the past as there are now. This shows the job that entropy has been doing on the earth.

We don't have a clue about how healthy things where in the Beginning. The point is that they were extremely healthier than they are now. Adam and Eve were almost super-humans compared to people who live now. And snakes were so healthy that they could talk. Entropy has destroyed the intelligence of people so that now days there are many folks who ain't even smart enough to understand that God exists.

comedy gold
frikkin priceless my friend!!

Couldnt have answered better my friend.

[Przemax]

Basically, any website named 10 Proofs For God is well known to anyone with an iq bigger than his show size that it has bullshit written all over it. Information taken completely out of context to present a lie as truth. You have to learn how Family trees expansions work and how you and I are certain to have one common ancestor. That doesnt mean thought that that one common ancestor was the only one alive at the time.

Your point being? That we need to know how evolution works? Some of us know it a lot better than the believers in it.

[BADecker]

phreeksta showed us at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg22166759#msg22166759 that outer space exists. What wasn't shown was what outer space is. What is outer space?

Outer space is nothingness. It is emptiness. It is nothing.

Inside of nothing exists a whole bunch of materials and energies. We analyze these materials and energies, and how they react with each other. But we haven't found a way to analyze the "substance" that is nothing.

The only real thing we know about nothing is that it exists. Again, how do we know this? Because we can analyze the various materials and energies within nothing.

Same thing with God. We can analyze the fundamental science laws of cause and effect, entropy, and complexity. The only way these things can exist combined is that a Great, Intelligent, Power caused them to exist.

We have no other explanation for the combined existence of these 3 basic, fundamental, scientific laws. The word "God" fits the Great, Intelligent, Power that cause the universe to exist.

We can't see God, just like we can't see emptiness/nothing. But we understand that God exists in ways similar to understanding that nothing exists.

So you see, outer space - which is emptiness/nothing/lack of every "thing" - is the non-thing that helps to confirm that God exists.

[Astargath]

phreeksta showed us at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg22166759#msg22166759 that outer space exists. What wasn't shown was what outer space is. What is outer space?

Outer space is nothingness. It is emptiness. It is nothing.

Inside of nothing exists a whole bunch of materials and energies. We analyze these materials and energies, and how they react with each other. But we haven't found a way to analyze the "substance" that is nothing.

The only real thing we know about nothing is that it exists. Again, how do we know this? Because we can analyze the various materials and energies within nothing.

Same thing with God. We can analyze the fundamental science laws of cause and effect, entropy, and complexity. The only way these things can exist combined is that a Great, Intelligent, Power caused them to exist.

We have no other explanation for the combined existence of these 3 basic, fundamental, scientific laws. The word "God" fits the Great, Intelligent, Power that cause the universe to exist.

We can't see God, just like we can't see emptiness/nothing. But we understand that God exists in ways similar to understanding that nothing exists.

So you see, outer space - which is emptiness/nothing/lack of every "thing" - is the non-thing that helps to confirm that God exists.

I don't think you understand what nothing is. Empty space is not nothing, it's empty space. Space is something. If you have a box and you throw out everything inside of it, even air and particles and atoms, there is still something inside the box, space.

''The only way these things can exist combined is that a Great, Intelligent, Power caused them to exist.'' How do you know the only way for those things to exist is that a great intelligent power caused them to exist? ''We have no other explanation for the combined existence of these 3 basic'' You have no explanation either, you are just saying it's god

[BADecker]

phreeksta showed us at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg22166759#msg22166759 that outer space exists. What wasn't shown was what outer space is. What is outer space?

Outer space is nothingness. It is emptiness. It is nothing.

Inside of nothing exists a whole bunch of materials and energies. We analyze these materials and energies, and how they react with each other. But we haven't found a way to analyze the "substance" that is nothing.

The only real thing we know about nothing is that it exists. Again, how do we know this? Because we can analyze the various materials and energies within nothing.

Same thing with God. We can analyze the fundamental science laws of cause and effect, entropy, and complexity. The only way these things can exist combined is that a Great, Intelligent, Power caused them to exist.

We have no other explanation for the combined existence of these 3 basic, fundamental, scientific laws. The word "God" fits the Great, Intelligent, Power that cause the universe to exist.

We can't see God, just like we can't see emptiness/nothing. But we understand that God exists in ways similar to understanding that nothing exists.

So you see, outer space - which is emptiness/nothing/lack of every "thing" - is the non-thing that helps to confirm that God exists.

I don't think you understand what nothing is. Empty space is not nothing, it's empty space. Space is something. If you have a box and you throw out everything inside of it, even air and particles and atoms, there is still something inside the box, space.

''The only way these things can exist combined is that a Great, Intelligent, Power caused them to exist.'' How do you know the only way for those things to exist is that a great intelligent power caused them to exist? ''We have no other explanation for the combined existence of these 3 basic'' You have no explanation either, you are just saying it's god

Dig around in your evacuated box, and what do you find? Nothing? No, you find your digger. Remove your digger, and there is nothing in the box. It's empty space.

We have intelligence. Entropy shows that there was greater intelligence in the past. Cause and effect show that the intelligence was great enough to be way beyond the understanding of man's intelligence. How much closer do you want to go to demonstrate God?

Do you need to look at the fantastic machines of nature that we are only beginning to duplicate, and imperfectly I might add? How about looking at the language of mathematics that man develops to imperfectly explain the complexity of the universe to himself?

Find a place where this all comes from randomness. We haven't found pure random. It doesn't exist, except, perhaps, in God.

"God" is a word. But the identity of the Being behind the word is way beyond the word "God." So, yes, I am just saying it is God, because there is no way to explain how intelligent and powerful He is. He is beyond understanding, and the word "God" is simply man's imperfect word to describe Him a little.

[ViceOfBTC21]

I think there will never be scientific proof that God exists unless we will break a barrier of universe which is creating a black hole. But we can use it for good tho like proving God exists.

[BADecker]

I think there will never be scientific proof that God exists unless we will break a barrier of universe which is creating a black hole. But we can use it for good tho like proving God exists.

So far, we know that something is there when we view a black hole. But we don't know what it is. All black hole science is theory. The math behind the theory might not apply at all. We don't know.

[cryptogirl100]

God is incomprehensible, even there were materialistic signs,they would not define the whole picture,dont you think

[BADecker]

God is incomprehensible, even there were materialistic signs,they would not define the whole picture,dont you think

Absolutely true. But we can still understand that God exists. There are many things right in the universe that we know exist, but don't understand. How much less will we ever understand God, Who was able to make all these universe things?

[Vod]

Absolutely true. But we can still understand that God exists. There are many things right in the universe that we know exist, but don't understand. How much less will we ever understand God, Who was able to make all these universe things?

If you can't understand your own fairy tale, how do you expect others to?  :/

[bj2639]

God is incomprehensible, even there were materialistic signs,they would not define the whole picture,dont you think

Absolutely true. But we can still understand that God exists. There are many things right in the universe that we know exist, but don't understand. How much less will we ever understand God, Who was able to make all these universe things?

you are approaching this with the assumption that a god even exists. If you were intellectually honest and revisited everything without that bias, you would see that a god is 100% unnecessary

[Astargath]

phreeksta showed us at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg22166759#msg22166759 that outer space exists. What wasn't shown was what outer space is. What is outer space?

Outer space is nothingness. It is emptiness. It is nothing.

Inside of nothing exists a whole bunch of materials and energies. We analyze these materials and energies, and how they react with each other. But we haven't found a way to analyze the "substance" that is nothing.

The only real thing we know about nothing is that it exists. Again, how do we know this? Because we can analyze the various materials and energies within nothing.

Same thing with God. We can analyze the fundamental science laws of cause and effect, entropy, and complexity. The only way these things can exist combined is that a Great, Intelligent, Power caused them to exist.

We have no other explanation for the combined existence of these 3 basic, fundamental, scientific laws. The word "God" fits the Great, Intelligent, Power that cause the universe to exist.

We can't see God, just like we can't see emptiness/nothing. But we understand that God exists in ways similar to understanding that nothing exists.

So you see, outer space - which is emptiness/nothing/lack of every "thing" - is the non-thing that helps to confirm that God exists.

I don't think you understand what nothing is. Empty space is not nothing, it's empty space. Space is something. If you have a box and you throw out everything inside of it, even air and particles and atoms, there is still something inside the box, space.

''The only way these things can exist combined is that a Great, Intelligent, Power caused them to exist.'' How do you know the only way for those things to exist is that a great intelligent power caused them to exist? ''We have no other explanation for the combined existence of these 3 basic'' You have no explanation either, you are just saying it's god

Dig around in your evacuated box, and what do you find? Nothing? No, you find your digger. Remove your digger, and there is nothing in the box. It's empty space.

We have intelligence. Entropy shows that there was greater intelligence in the past. Cause and effect show that the intelligence was great enough to be way beyond the understanding of man's intelligence. How much closer do you want to go to demonstrate God?

Do you need to look at the fantastic machines of nature that we are only beginning to duplicate, and imperfectly I might add? How about looking at the language of mathematics that man develops to imperfectly explain the complexity of the universe to himself?

Find a place where this all comes from randomness. We haven't found pure random. It doesn't exist, except, perhaps, in God.

"God" is a word. But the identity of the Being behind the word is way beyond the word "God." So, yes, I am just saying it is God, because there is no way to explain how intelligent and powerful He is. He is beyond understanding, and the word "God" is simply man's imperfect word to describe Him a little.

No, stop talking about entropy, you don't understand what it is or how it works at least regarding the earth. It is important to note that the earth is not an isolated system: it receives energy from the sun, and radiates energy back into space. The second law doesn't claim that the entropy of any part of a system increases: if it did, ice would never form and vapor would never condense, since both of those processes involve a decrease of entropy. Rather, the second law says that the total entropy of the whole system must increase. Any decrease of entropy (like the water freezing into ice cubes in your freezer) must be compensated by an increase in entropy elsewhere (the heat released into your kitchen by the refrigerator).
Entropy doesn't show that there was greater intelligence in the past, are you really saying humans were more intelligent in the past? You surely aren't, right?

[lolingera]

God is incomprehensible, even there were materialistic signs,they would not define the whole picture,dont you think

Absolutely true. But we can still understand that God exists. There are many things right in the universe that we know exist, but don't understand. How much less will we ever understand God, Who was able to make all these universe things?

you are approaching this with the assumption that a god even exists. If you were intellectually honest and revisited everything without that bias, you would see that a god is 100% unnecessary

God is concept of inconceivability. If we can conceive it, then it is not God as assumption. Religion is just pretending that almighty god is an assumption, while secular god is presuming own exemption. Science has no problem because needs not to prove that God exists. This because the definition of the word "God" is: "God is anything that is missing!". We will always miss the answer who and what stays before start of universe expansion. Thus the God will always exist as a missing answer!
If we answer it, well, then the god will not exist anymore!

[mx667]

But I disagree about the idea of life that come out of nothing.

So think about where your god came from.  Nothing?

That is one of many question I have in my mind.
If God exist, why evil exist ?
If God created us all, who or what created God ?
God is limitless, my mind is limited.

[tylerik1]

I dont thnk that god exists. There is no proof!

[Przemax]

God is incomprehensible, even there were materialistic signs,they would not define the whole picture,dont you think

Absolutely true. But we can still understand that God exists. There are many things right in the universe that we know exist, but don't understand. How much less will we ever understand God, Who was able to make all these universe things?

you are approaching this with the assumption that a god even exists. If you were intellectually honest and revisited everything without that bias, you would see that a god is 100% unnecessary

God is concept of inconceivability. If we can conceive it, then it is not God as assumption. Religion is just pretending that almighty god is an assumption, while secular god is presuming own exemption. Science has no problem because needs not to prove that God exists. This because the definition of the word "God" is: "God is anything that is missing!". We will always miss the answer who and what stays before start of universe expansion. Thus the God will always exist as a missing answer!
If we answer it, well, then the god will not exist anymore!

Hey.... All of your sentences are logically wrong. Are you proud of yourself?

concept of inconceivability? oxymoron? If you conceive something its not an assumption? Oxymoron again. All religions are false in definition, they try to close the God in the box. That kind of behaviour can never end good. You always need a bigger box. Religions are the only reason that people laugh from faith, they do not laugh from God but from the silly box of the pharisee.

Secular god? Oxymoron again. You seem to like them.

You know what is missing here? Your arguments lol.

[Astargath]

God is incomprehensible, even there were materialistic signs,they would not define the whole picture,dont you think

Absolutely true. But we can still understand that God exists. There are many things right in the universe that we know exist, but don't understand. How much less will we ever understand God, Who was able to make all these universe things?

you are approaching this with the assumption that a god even exists. If you were intellectually honest and revisited everything without that bias, you would see that a god is 100% unnecessary

God is concept of inconceivability. If we can conceive it, then it is not God as assumption. Religion is just pretending that almighty god is an assumption, while secular god is presuming own exemption. Science has no problem because needs not to prove that God exists. This because the definition of the word "God" is: "God is anything that is missing!". We will always miss the answer who and what stays before start of universe expansion. Thus the God will always exist as a missing answer!
If we answer it, well, then the god will not exist anymore!

Hey.... All of your sentences are logically wrong. Are you proud of yourself?

concept of inconceivability? oxymoron? If you conceive something its not an assumption? Oxymoron again. All religions are false in definition, they try to close the God in the box. That kind of behaviour can never end good. You always need a bigger box. Religions are the only reason that people laugh from faith, they do not laugh from God but from the silly box of the pharisee.

Secular god? Oxymoron again. You seem to like them.

You know what is missing here? Your arguments lol.

Well we are also missing your scientific arguments for the proof of god and badecker seems to be silent again after my response to his bullshit, no surprise there.

[Red_Sparkling]

There is no evidence and no counterevidence, so it is up to everybody what to believe

[Vod]

There is no evidence and no counterevidence, so it is up to everybody what to believe

That would be fine, except for the idiots like Badecker who try to push their fairy tale on others.  :/