Scientific proof that God exists?

[BADecker]

As you say, we don't have evidence of any thing that can make the complexity of the universe. That leaves room for God, only. God, not being a thing, or anything, has made the universe.

Right! We have no evidence other than the machine-nature of the universe. And machines have makers. This is the simplest proof.

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[Astargath]

assumptions which cannot be proven -- can be expressed as mathematical equations. And that means they can be proven.

You just assume all equations can be proven.  I agree that assumption cannot be proven.

Therefore your conclusion that a god exists is just an assumption. 

Bravo! An A+ in political science for you. More and more political science from you is all we need. The more you blab, the more you show that you are stupidity's excuse for existence.

 

All your proof is circular reasoning that when applied to something else can prove something else.

Most of your talk is political science blabbing, since you can't use any factual science to show that cause and effect, entropy, and complexity don't prove the existence of God.

The factual science that doesn't say everything has a cause? In what science does it say that everything has a cause?

All science shows it. It doesn't have to be said. The greater the scientist, the more he/she uses cause and effect.

Name one science that says or shows that everything has a cause and I will agree with you even though it wont prove god.

All the sciences shows that everything has a cause. Perhaps few say it.

Name one of the few ones that actually say it.

[Astargath]

As you say, we don't have evidence of any thing that can make the complexity of the universe. That leaves room for God, only. God, not being a thing, or anything, has made the universe.

Right! We have no evidence other than the machine-nature of the universe. And machines have makers. This is the simplest proof.

Right, we have no evidence than the magic spaghetti-nature of the universe and since all spaghetti magic is made by the spaghetti god, the universe is therefore made by the spaghetti god, this is the simplest proof, irrefutable.

[Astargath]

''We have no evidence of anything that can make the complexity and size of the universe.'' You are right badecker we don't, why do you claim you do then?

The fact that we don't is part of the evidence.   

You are retarded XD

[Naitik]

yaa definitely, Do these things not brain storm you that the complex creation human with lots of secrets will definitely be created by God.Scientists practices, experiments till now admits that our body have lots of features that could not possible to be made by human now.

[pinyung]

yes god does exist

[BADecker]

Name one of the few ones that actually say it.

You forgot about Newton already? He says nothing else in his 3rd law.

[BADecker]

As you say, we don't have evidence of any thing that can make the complexity of the universe. That leaves room for God, only. God, not being a thing, or anything, has made the universe.

Right! We have no evidence other than the machine-nature of the universe. And machines have makers. This is the simplest proof.

Right, we have no evidence than the magic spaghetti-nature of the universe and since all spaghetti magic is made by the spaghetti god, the universe is therefore made by the spaghetti god, this is the simplest proof, irrefutable.

Thank you for your religious experience.     

[BADecker]

''We have no evidence of anything that can make the complexity and size of the universe.'' You are right badecker we don't, why do you claim you do then?

The fact that we don't is part of the evidence.   

You are retarded XD

You are forgetting your spaghetti god. What kind of religion do you have? Be careful, it will plop spaghetti on you, probably without any tomato sauce or meatballs.

 

[Flying Hellfish]

As you say, we don't have evidence of any thing that can make the complexity of the universe. That leaves room for God, only. God, not being a thing, or anything, has made the universe.

Right! We have no evidence other than the machine-nature of the universe. And machines have makers. This is the simplest proof.

Right, we have no evidence than the magic spaghetti-nature of the universe and since all spaghetti magic is made by the spaghetti god, the universe is therefore made by the spaghetti god, this is the simplest proof, irrefutable.

It's always funny to hear "every single solitary thing in the universe has a cause, except my god" LOLOLOL!

Now the next topic:  Scientific proof ALLAH exists. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0
Just replace God every time its mentioned with Allah, bam proof 100% irrefutable.  BADecker are you Muslim now?

[BADecker]

Your point number 3 is wrong, though if it was the protocols you were refering to I would'nt be at all surprised..

Seems to me that folks dont wanna mention that the real reason jesus was killed was for lending and charging interest, going against the grain of whatever we are told regarding neither a borrower or a lender be.. he was killed for being a banker.. by hiding this fact they allow banking traits. This is probably why jews dont use jesus's name or masons use jesus name in the kapa valley (church)..

I have mentioned that space is where time becomes a loop, we will repeat 10.000 times every mistake until we learn not to make said mistakes, and if we kept a diary from day 1 of our birth, we'd know that no matter what is written, it WILL become reality as soon as the ink touches the paper, aka the power of the written word, once reality on paper becomes reality in fact.. I used to draw pictures of naked women until one came real, my daughter says the drawing looks like her mum.. the drawing was done 3 years before I met her..

Seems that people don't want to mention the real reason that Jesus was killed.

Isaiah 48"9-11:

     9“For the sake of My name I delay My wrath,
            And for My praise I restrain it for you,
            In order not to cut you off.

      10“Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver;
            I have tested you in the furnace of affliction.

      11“For My own sake, for My own sake, I will act;
            For how can My name be profaned?
            And My glory I will not give to another."

What does that have to do with Jesus? Just this:

     17Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel,
            “I am the LORD your God, who teaches you to profit,
            Who leads you in the way you should go."

Where does it say "Jesus" in that passage? In the word "Redeemer," and in the word "LORD" preceding it. Note that when the word "LORD" is used in all caps in the Old Testament translations, it is referring to the literal Name of God, the Name that He gave to the people of Israel to call Him by.

In other words, Jesus is God. Jesus died to uphold God's Name and God's purity in the eyes of men and angels. God let the Jews think they were killing Jesus for the sake of money. But that wasn't the real reason God allowed and even promoted it. It was for the honor of His Own Name that He did it.

Now that we have messed in religion, again, let's get back on topic and find science regarding the existence or non-existence of God.

[BADecker]

As you say, we don't have evidence of any thing that can make the complexity of the universe. That leaves room for God, only. God, not being a thing, or anything, has made the universe.

Right! We have no evidence other than the machine-nature of the universe. And machines have makers. This is the simplest proof.

Right, we have no evidence than the magic spaghetti-nature of the universe and since all spaghetti magic is made by the spaghetti god, the universe is therefore made by the spaghetti god, this is the simplest proof, irrefutable.

It's always funny to hear "every single solitary thing in the universe has a cause, except my god" LOLOLOL!

Now the next topic:  Scientific proof ALLAH exists. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.0
Just replace God every time its mentioned with Allah, bam proof 100% irrefutable.  BADecker are you Muslim now?

I know. You have to bring religion into it. And the reason is because you can't find any science to refute the things I say.

I don't blame you, however. We all fight when our religion is shown to be useless. Now, can we stay on topic with science?

[Flying Hellfish]

In other words, Jesus is God. Jesus died to uphold God's Name and God's purity in the eyes of men and angels. God let the Jews think they were killing Jesus for the sake of money. But that wasn't the real reason God allowed and even promoted it. It was for the honor of His Own Name that He did it.

God promoted and allowed the death of his only son for the honor of his own name?

You worship a sick god my man, a sick disgusting god.

Even if science was a religion (which let me clearly say it's not, its pretty much the opposite of it lol which is why all religions have feared it forever!) at least my science doesn't worship and egotistical sky fairy that promotes the death of their only child.

Face it bud Astargath destroyed every argument you made.

Even theologians don't make the claims you are.  Probably because they don't want to sound too silly.
Even your fellow religious brethren in this here thread tell you god requires belief and faith.
Even your circular logic proves any and every god or anything else you want to make up.

You are literally the only person saying this absolute non sense, at least notbatman had a couple buddies and some other morons with his movement.

Face it man you sound silly, lost the argument hundreds of pages ago.  Frankly at this point you come across as a raving lunatic.

Well done Astargath for putting up with this sillyness for so long and doing such a good job.  +million bud!

[BADecker]

In other words, Jesus is God. Jesus died to uphold God's Name and God's purity in the eyes of men and angels. God let the Jews think they were killing Jesus for the sake of money. But that wasn't the real reason God allowed and even promoted it. It was for the honor of His Own Name that He did it.

God promoted and allowed the death of his only son for the honor of his own name?

You worship a sick god my man, a sick disgusting god.

Even if science was a religion (which let me clearly say it's not, its pretty much the opposite of it lol which is why all religions have feared it forever!) at least my science doesn't worship and egotistical sky fairy that promotes the death of their only child.

Face it bud Astargath destroyed every argument you made.

Even theologians don't make the claims you are.  Probably because they don't want to sound too silly.
Even your fellow religious brethren in this here thread tell you god requires belief and faith.
Even your circular logic proves any and every god or anything else you want to make up.

You are literally the only person saying this absolute non sense, at least notbatman had a couple buddies and some other morons with his movement.

Face it man you sound silly, lost the argument hundreds of pages ago.  Frankly at this point you come across as a raving lunatic.

Well done Astargath for putting up with this sillyness for so long and doing such a good job.  +million bud!

You forget the part that God upholding His honor and His Name is the thing that keeps mankind in existence. This is the reason why your "sick" really is health for us.

Science of itself is not a religion. But when people believe that science theory is fact, they have turned science into a religion for themselves. Why? Because all science theory can have opposing science theory if only some scientist would make the opposing theory. This is especially true now that we have Quantum Mechanics (which is also a theory). This makes science theory to be in the unknown classification regarding whether it is fact or not. Anybody who believes an unknown to be fact, essentially has a religion going for himself.

Have you looked at what the religious brethren say, and those to whom they say it? Mostly they talk to average people with the idea of salvation. But when you look at what the scientists who investigate the Bible say, they have all kinds of understandings that are far beyond the science of this world, and often very different than what the people teachers say.

You are just another religions science person, turning science into a religion for yourself, because you don't want to look at reality.

Any argument that I have lost is in the political science realms, where I don't really like going. That means that I can be out-talked with words rather than hard science facts, because that is what political science is about.

Now get out of political science and religion, and get into real science. Prove or disprove the existence of God, or start a religious topic, since all you seem to want to do is talk religion.

[tominsoto]

Why should there be such doubt, such confusion, about the existence of God? For thousands of years, people have debated whether God exists. Most conclude that it cannot be proven one way or the other. It is surmised that the correct answer lies in the area of abstract philosophy and the metaphysical. And guess what? Nothing will change, because we can't prove anything. So just stop thinking about it, and live a good life.

[BADecker]

Why should there be such doubt, such confusion, about the existence of God? For thousands of years, people have debated whether God exists. Most conclude that it cannot be proven one way or the other. It is surmised that the correct answer lies in the area of abstract philosophy and the metaphysical. And guess what? Nothing will change, because we can't prove anything. So just stop thinking about it, and live a good life.

While some of what you said is clear, the combination of cause and effect, entropy, and complexity, show that the universe can't exist without some Great Power that fits the definition of "God." This is not to say that God is the God of the Bible or the Koran or any other religion. While science might be able to determine which if any of the religious books talks about the real God, the thing that this topic is looking for is the scientific (not religious) proof for the existence of God.

[husenogek]

if scientifically God is not visible ,,, the wind we can not see ,, but I believe that God exists

[Astargath]

Name one of the few ones that actually say it.

You forgot about Newton already? He says nothing else in his 3rd law.

From the first 3 google searches:

''Formally stated, Newton's third law is:

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.''

''Newton's third law: If an object A exerts a force on object B, then object B must exert a force of equal magnitude and opposite direction back on object A.''

''According to Newton's third law...
For every action there is an equal and opposite re-action.''

http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/newtlaws/Lesson-4/Newton-s-Third-Law
https://www.khanacademy.org/science/physics/forces-newtons-laws/newtons-laws-of-motion/a/what-is-newtons-third-law
http://teachertech.rice.edu/Participants/louviere/Newton/law3.html

Perhaps I'm blind but where does it say that everything has a cause?

[Astargath]

In other words, Jesus is God. Jesus died to uphold God's Name and God's purity in the eyes of men and angels. God let the Jews think they were killing Jesus for the sake of money. But that wasn't the real reason God allowed and even promoted it. It was for the honor of His Own Name that He did it.

God promoted and allowed the death of his only son for the honor of his own name?

You worship a sick god my man, a sick disgusting god.

Even if science was a religion (which let me clearly say it's not, its pretty much the opposite of it lol which is why all religions have feared it forever!) at least my science doesn't worship and egotistical sky fairy that promotes the death of their only child.

Face it bud Astargath destroyed every argument you made.

Even theologians don't make the claims you are.  Probably because they don't want to sound too silly.
Even your fellow religious brethren in this here thread tell you god requires belief and faith.
Even your circular logic proves any and every god or anything else you want to make up.

You are literally the only person saying this absolute non sense, at least notbatman had a couple buddies and some other morons with his movement.

Face it man you sound silly, lost the argument hundreds of pages ago.  Frankly at this point you come across as a raving lunatic.

Well done Astargath for putting up with this sillyness for so long and doing such a good job.  +million bud!

You forget the part that God upholding His honor and His Name is the thing that keeps mankind in existence. This is the reason why your "sick" really is health for us.

Science of itself is not a religion. But when people believe that science theory is fact, they have turned science into a religion for themselves. Why? Because all science theory can have opposing science theory if only some scientist would make the opposing theory. This is especially true now that we have Quantum Mechanics (which is also a theory). This makes science theory to be in the unknown classification regarding whether it is fact or not. Anybody who believes an unknown to be fact, essentially has a religion going for himself.

Have you looked at what the religious brethren say, and those to whom they say it? Mostly they talk to average people with the idea of salvation. But when you look at what the scientists who investigate the Bible say, they have all kinds of understandings that are far beyond the science of this world, and often very different than what the people teachers say.

You are just another religions science person, turning science into a religion for yourself, because you don't want to look at reality.

Any argument that I have lost is in the political science realms, where I don't really like going. That means that I can be out-talked with words rather than hard science facts, because that is what political science is about.

Now get out of political science and religion, and get into real science. Prove or disprove the existence of God, or start a religious topic, since all you seem to want to do is talk religion.

Nothing can be 100% factual so saying that a scientific theory is not 100% factual is like saying nothing, it's not an argument. A scientific theory is the closest we can get to the facts, it is the best science can do for certain things so your argument is just retarded.

[BADecker]

Nothing can be 100% factual so saying that a scientific theory is not 100% factual is like saying nothing, it's not an argument. A scientific theory is the closest we can get to the facts, it is the best science can do for certain things so your argument is just retarded.

LOL! Even you know that science law is way more factual than science theory.

The tiny bit that science law might fall into the realm of science theory is so small that scientists consider it non-existent.

I mean. Perhaps we don't exist, and all this posting that we do doesn't exist, either. And maybe we aren't even strong enough to be a figment of our own imaginations to say nothing about existing. I mean, there is probability that suggests silly things like that. But science dismisses it as impossible.

Why do you keep on heading for the impossible in your talk. You are making a universe the size of our universe out of something that isn't as big as a muon. If you believe what you are saying, you are talking religion. Believe it or not, you are talking political science.

When are you going to get back on topic?