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September 12, 2018, 02:50:21 PM
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''Machines have designers and makers'' prove it.

Perhaps you could prove that you posted the above, first.

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Not all machines have designers or makers, therefore machines don't always need them so your argument is trash.

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September 12, 2018, 02:53:18 PM
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The title is fake itself.
Or I can show more scientific proof that God do not exist.

Show us proof that God isn't spending time, right now, on a planet circling the Star Sirius. If you can't show this proof, how do you know that He doesn't exist there, or somewhere else?

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September 12, 2018, 02:58:55 PM
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There is no need to use scientific knowledge to proof that God exist, those who believe God have their reasons why they do. The same applies to the other school of thought.

There are two basic lines of thought about God, here. The first is that God exists. The second has to do with believing Him. Can a person believe God, or believe in Him, without knowing that He exists? Can they believe Him if they only believe that He exists, but do not know that He does?

The title is to the point: scientific proof that God exists. It doesn't have anything to do with believing Him, or believing in Him. Even the OP is about proof that He exists.

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September 12, 2018, 03:03:08 PM
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Another fiction seems to me, because I basically do not believe in this theory!

But you are talking religion. You say "believe" and "theory." "Believe" suggests religion. Is the "theory" you talk about a scientific one? Or is it non-scientific? What is the wording of this theory?

This topic is about scientific proof.

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September 12, 2018, 03:57:18 PM
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''Machines have designers and makers'' prove it.

Perhaps you could prove that you posted the above, first.

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Not all machines have designers or makers, therefore machines don't always need them so your argument is trash.

Show us a machine that doesn't have a designer.    Cool

A cell. Plants, animals, etc etc.



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September 12, 2018, 04:34:27 PM
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Which post number do you think has the most compelling proof, if any?
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September 12, 2018, 06:16:06 PM
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Which post number do you think has the most compelling proof, if any?

Proof of god does not exist.  Religion is faith - what you think.  It has nothing to do with reality.  If it doesn't exist it cannot be proven.

I'm into creating universes, smiting people, writing holy books and listening to Prayer Messages (PMs).
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September 12, 2018, 06:30:43 PM
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There must be someone some architect or someone else call it however you want, someone who created all this. Created us humans, created every single living creature on Earth. You can't really think it is created based on some luck. Wink
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September 12, 2018, 07:07:30 PM
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depending on their respective religions and beliefs to believe ...
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There must be someone some architect or someone else call it however you want, someone who created all this. Created us humans, created every single living creature on Earth. You can't really think it is created based on some luck. Wink

Your logic is flawed.  You believe a simple thing like a cell cannot just come into being, yet you believe a creator did?

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There must be someone some architect or someone else call it however you want, someone who created all this. Created us humans, created every single living creature on Earth. You can't really think it is created based on some luck. Wink

Your logic is flawed.  You believe a simple thing like a cell cannot just come into being, yet you believe a creator did?

It wasn't the Creator Who came into existence. The Creator always existed. It was mankind that suddenly came into existence. And it looked to man like it was God Who came into existence, because when man came into existence, that was the first time he saw God... God Who had always existed.

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September 13, 2018, 02:32:41 AM
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Which post number do you think has the most compelling proof, if any?

Proof of god does not exist.  Religion is faith - what you think.  It has nothing to do with reality.  If it doesn't exist it cannot be proven.


Proof of God is science reality. Religion is at times faith in what God has told man.

God has been proven by the way cause and effect, entropy, and complexity exist together in this universe.

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September 13, 2018, 02:33:30 AM
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Show us a machine that doesn't have a designer.    Cool

A cell. Plants, animals, etc etc.

Prove it.      Cool
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September 13, 2018, 06:04:32 AM
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Mmmm... I really doubt there is any scientific proof to describe god existence...
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Religion, like God, is invented to govern the society, those who are in power...
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September 13, 2018, 11:40:45 AM
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Show us a machine that doesn't have a designer.    Cool

A cell. Plants, animals, etc etc.

Prove it.      Cool

Unfortunately you have to prove your claims since you are trying to prove god's existence. Your argument for god's existence is that ''all machines have creators/designers'' however you didn't prove that, you just stated it which is what usually happens with your ''arguments''. Even you prove all ''machines have makers'' which you wont, it would still not prove god's existence, it would only prove that machines have creators. What is the evidence that it's only 1 creator and not multiple? hehe you get rekt again.



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September 13, 2018, 03:01:44 PM
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i didnt expect anyone to reply to my post but

"god" and "aliens" are virtually synonymous imo

god created this earth, he is not from this earth, so that makes god an extraterrestrial of some kind
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Show us a machine that doesn't have a designer.    Cool

A cell. Plants, animals, etc etc.

Prove it.      Cool

Unfortunately you have to prove your claims since you are trying to prove god's existence. Your argument for god's existence is that ''all machines have creators/designers'' however you didn't prove that, you just stated it which is what usually happens with your ''arguments''. Even you prove all ''machines have makers'' which you wont, it would still not prove god's existence, it would only prove that machines have creators. What is the evidence that it's only 1 creator and not multiple? hehe you get rekt again.

You seem to be laying down groundwork for what constitutes proof. Prove that your groundwork is the method for proving something.

However, I showed a long time ago how C&E, combined with entropy, combined with complexity, proves that God exists. You have claimed that you have rebutted my proof. Prove that you have rebutted my proof.

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i didnt expect anyone to reply to my post but

"god" and "aliens" are virtually synonymous imo

god created this earth, he is not from this earth, so that makes god an extraterrestrial of some kind

God is extra-universal. Such is the way He is extraterrestrial. The difference between the two is, extraterrestrial still obeys the laws of the physics of the universe. Extra-universal has the option of not having to obey the physics of the universe, but possibly obeying some of them in a modified form. If extra-universal obeyed the laws of the universe completely, it would be part of the universe, and not extra-universal.

Aliens may be gods if they personally have greater abilities than people... greater intelligence, greater strength, greater knowledge, greater thinking ability, etc.  A question is, can aliens be extra-universal as well as extraterrestrial? That is, can there be other universes that operate by completely different laws of physics, and can those universes have aliens? And can those aliens be "translated" into the physics of this universe so that they can "slide" into our universe?

Two basic points about "God" are:

1. The point that God is outside our universe is shown in entropy. Entropy shows that there was a beginning to the universe, because there would be no complexity if the universe had not begun within the "recent" past. Entropy would have made mush our of the whole universe by now if there were no beginning.

We have no evidence of, and it doesn't make sense that, something like our universe can make itself. According to all our countless applications and understandings of the way things work, it is entirely illogical that something can make itself out of nothing. This leads to number 2.

2. The thing we call God, was at the time of the beginning of our universe, completely outside of our universe. He/It might have "injected" Himself/Itself into the universe in part, exactly at the time of the beginning. But being outside of the universe at least in part, we don't know anything about Him/It, because we of this universe can't even begin to think in ways that are abstract enough for us, so that they might match something outside. If we DO think in those abstract ways, we don't know that we do. Because of this, things outside are simply outside >>> one = outside. God is one, because the closest we can think about outside the universe is, simply, outside... one. God is one.

We can't even get a handle on all the physics of this universe. We are only beginning to manipulate the laws of our universe a tiny touch. Because of this, we can't really begin to surmise what the Maker of the universe might be like, by looking at the things of the universe, because we don't know enough about the universe to even begin to guesstimate what the Creator might be like... at least not in a scientific way.

Anyway. You start to get an idea of the complexities of this kind of thinking.

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Show us a machine that doesn't have a designer.    Cool

A cell. Plants, animals, etc etc.

Prove it.      Cool

Unfortunately you have to prove your claims since you are trying to prove god's existence. Your argument for god's existence is that ''all machines have creators/designers'' however you didn't prove that, you just stated it which is what usually happens with your ''arguments''. Even you prove all ''machines have makers'' which you wont, it would still not prove god's existence, it would only prove that machines have creators. What is the evidence that it's only 1 creator and not multiple? hehe you get rekt again.

You seem to be laying down groundwork for what constitutes proof. Prove that your groundwork is the method for proving something.

However, I showed a long time ago how C&E, combined with entropy, combined with complexity, proves that God exists. You have claimed that you have rebutted my proof. Prove that you have rebutted my proof.

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You only ''proved'' that those things indicate there is a creator/creators, nothing in your ''proof'' indicates that it has to be your particular god and not multiple gods, maybe aliens, maybe something else. So your proof, again, does not show it's god.



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