So... how do you deal with a problem-child?

[BitcoinBobbeh]

Long story short, some guy, in February, got butthurt about a comment I made on this forum, and posted several negative 'trust' thingies on my profile.

In response, I posted one on his profile plainly stating that he is dishonest. No biggie.


Well, this guy recently messaged me asking me if we could mutually delete those negative reviews from each others' profiles. I said absolutely not, because he publicly posted lies about me that stayed online for about 6 months, while conversely, anything and everything I had posted regarding him were truths. He spazzed out and went back through my post history, confronting me on several things I said that could be seen as negative or controversial, basically trying to extort me. I brushed it off because I'm so cool, obviously. 

So anyway, shortly thereafter he started acting like he was doing me a favor, and deleted those negative reviews, restoring a positive (or neutral, depending on your settings) trust rating on my account.

When he realized I wasn't going to do the same for him, he came right back and posted more false negatives on my profile.

Now, this isn't a huge deal because I'm not a very active trader here, especially when my BTC-e account actually works 

But my question is simply: what do I do? What CAN I do?

There doesn't appear to be any means of expunging these false reports. In the past I tried seeking helping from TomatoCage (resident forum coolguy) and he didn't/couldn't really do much. Are there any measures for dealing with this type of guy? He won't go away, because he is dead-set on becoming a trusted 'Senior Member', which is the reason he is hounding me so hard about those negative reviews. It makes me wonder what his end-goal is.

Anyway...

What would you do?

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[Lauda]

Well he's not in the default trust list so it does not matter, you still seem 0/0 to me.
You can't do anything about it unless you work it out with the person. Even if he was in the default trust it doesn't matter too much (well your story explains why).

[Omikifuse]

The trust system is not moderated, so only way to get rid of negative trust is reaching an agreement with whoever gave you negative trust. Mods won't interfere, if it is what you looking for.

[galbros]

You've hit on a key weakness of the trust system.  God help users if someone on the default trust list decides to start extorting users.  Maybe those accounts are what hackers will start targeting next.

I'm increasingly convinced that the trust system does nothing that the reputation threads don't, your story is a great example of why.

Still, it was nice for them to try and make things better on the forum.

[SelbyTsang]

There is nothing you can do, and there is nothing you need to do.
Since the person giving you those feedback is not on the default list, the majority of people here will find those feedback hidden and not affecting your trust score at all.

[hilariousandco]

You've hit on a key weakness of the trust system.  God help users if someone on the default trust list decides to start extorting users.  Maybe those accounts are what hackers will start targeting next.

I'm increasingly convinced that the trust system does nothing that the reputation threads don't, your story is a great example of why.

Still, it was nice for them to try and make things better on the forum.

If they did that and tried abusing their position they'd very likely be removed off the list. It's not a perfect system but neither is just relying on a rep thread, nor would be any other system that we tried to put in place.

[BitcoinBobbeh]

I see...

Well if that's the case, as most of you believe, then here is the guy's account.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=182034

Feel free to leave negative feedback of your own 

If you'd like proof I can forward you his weird messages.

[koshgel]

Honestly, neither of the negative feedbacks really means much since you aren't on DefaultTrust and you have no particular reference to what happened. The only reference is you defending a known scammer named 'Bono'?

Instead of escalating the situation and trying to get people to leave him undeserved red, you could easily resolve the situation with him. Mutually deleting the negative trust would have squashed it all but you wanna push it cause of ego?

[Lethn]

I've come across these kind of people before and the best thing to do is just put them on the ignore list I had a scammer awhile ago come after me months later trying to get me to delete negative reviews so I posted a reminder on his scam thread to watch out for him and other people had noticed him as well. If you're honest, it won't matter if someone dishonest is posting negative reviews about you, in fact, I'd consider it a compliment because all they're doing is advertising the fact that you've called out a scumbag. This guy may not be a scammer but he could easily be manipulating ratings and such so he can scam someone in the future.

[jekv2]

You've hit on a key weakness of the trust system.  God help users if someone on the default trust list decides to start extorting users.  Maybe those accounts are what hackers will start targeting next.

I'm increasingly convinced that the trust system does nothing that the reputation threads don't, your story is a great example of why.

Still, it was nice for them to try and make things better on the forum.

I just showed the trust system to a few users LOL.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737629.msg8432821#msg8432821
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=360896

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=742559.msg8432916#msg8432916
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=232904

The trust system only works if and when it has proof of you scamming stealing etc. Other than that, Noobs that rely and "trust" on the trust system just for the fact some idiot like Luke-Jr put on my trust system but absolutely no scamming or stealing is involved makes me laugh......

Don't worry about it, op. smart ppl will read dumb trusts/untrusted feedback and judge themselves. More  than likely if they are smart, their judgement will go in the right direction.

[jekv2]

See then you have new comers that is possibly completely new and will be terrified if they read on of those "bad" trust things without proof of scamming or stealing.

[BitcoinBobbeh]

Honestly, neither of the negative feedbacks really means much since you aren't on DefaultTrust and you have no particular reference to what happened. The only reference is you defending a known scammer named 'Bono'?

Instead of escalating the situation and trying to get people to leave him undeserved red, you could easily resolve the situation with him. Mutually deleting the negative trust would have squashed it all but you wanna push it cause of ego?

1) I once traded with someone named 'Bono' and he didn't scam me. So I left positive feedback. When he was being accused of scamming, though, I asked for concrete proof because I had dealt with him personally and he wasn't a total asshat at the time. Once it became apparent he was scamming others, I left negative feedback.

2) I am not pushing anything due to ego. He abused the trust system by posting lies about me. Mutually deleting actual negative reviews off of his profile would just be rewarding bad behavior.

You've hit on a key weakness of the trust system.  God help users if someone on the default trust list decides to start extorting users.  Maybe those accounts are what hackers will start targeting next.

I'm increasingly convinced that the trust system does nothing that the reputation threads don't, your story is a great example of why.

Still, it was nice for them to try and make things better on the forum.

I just showed the trust system to a few users LOL.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737629.msg8432821#msg8432821
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=360896

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=742559.msg8432916#msg8432916
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=232904

The trust system only works if and when it has proof of you scamming stealing etc. Other than that, Noobs that rely and "trust" on the trust system just for the fact some idiot like Luke-Jr put on my trust system but absolutely no scamming or stealing is involved makes me laugh......

Don't worry about it, op. smart ppl will read dumb trusts/untrusted feedback and judge themselves. More  than likely if they are smart, their judgement will go in the right direction.

Yeah, that's the long and the short of it 

I'll just keep this thread handy in case I'm ever questioned.

Zank you Bitcointalk!

[NWO]

meta is so entertaining

[iluvpie60]

Honestly, neither of the negative feedbacks really means much since you aren't on DefaultTrust and you have no particular reference to what happened. The only reference is you defending a known scammer named 'Bono'?

Instead of escalating the situation and trying to get people to leave him undeserved red, you could easily resolve the situation with him. Mutually deleting the negative trust would have squashed it all but you wanna push it cause of ego?

1) I once traded with someone named 'Bono' and he didn't scam me. So I left positive feedback. When he was being accused of scamming, though, I asked for concrete proof because I had dealt with him personally and he wasn't a total asshat at the time. Once it became apparent he was scamming others, I left negative feedback.

2) I am not pushing anything due to ego. He abused the trust system by posting lies about me. Mutually deleting actual negative reviews off of his profile would just be rewarding bad behavior.

You've hit on a key weakness of the trust system.  God help users if someone on the default trust list decides to start extorting users.  Maybe those accounts are what hackers will start targeting next.

I'm increasingly convinced that the trust system does nothing that the reputation threads don't, your story is a great example of why.

Still, it was nice for them to try and make things better on the forum.

I just showed the trust system to a few users LOL.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737629.msg8432821#msg8432821
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=360896

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=742559.msg8432916#msg8432916
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=232904

The trust system only works if and when it has proof of you scamming stealing etc. Other than that, Noobs that rely and "trust" on the trust system just for the fact some idiot like Luke-Jr put on my trust system but absolutely no scamming or stealing is involved makes me laugh......

Don't worry about it, op. smart ppl will read dumb trusts/untrusted feedback and judge themselves. More  than likely if they are smart, their judgement will go in the right direction.

Yeah, that's the long and the short of it 

I'll just keep this thread handy in case I'm ever questioned.

Zank you Bitcointalk!

My offer still stands, I was only messaging you so we could resolve this. This does help both of us because in both cases neither of us traded eachother and it has nothing to do with "rewarding me". We got into it on another topic and you deleted your posts to seem more innocent. We both did not trade eachother, there is no harm and no foul resolving this at all because it was just words between people, and people make up all the time after arguments.

Even though you are asking other people who never dealt with me to leave me negative feedback(which I am pretty sure is against forum rules), I am still willing to work this out with you. We had that argument back in February and I am completely over it. Can we just move on here?


And if you are really trying to assassinate my character...Going through your post history it is very apparent you hate gay people and that is your own problem. Gay people probably never did anything to you, and there are gay animals which you can research yourself and see they are born that way. So why you call people "gay" and "faggot" on these forums so much is beyond me. Let's talk about your forum behavior if you really want to decry me as being foul, you are not even close to being saintly and I did screencap those posts if you ever decide to delete them so you can post another thread about "dealing with a problem child".

Like I said last time, I deleted mine first to show good faith and you responded by being nasty to me. I don't think you want to resolve this at all, but I am still willing to. It's up to you if we are going to resolve this, the ball has been in your court since I messaged you, I can't force you to do anything.

Regards,

iluvpie60

[iluvpie60]

Long story short, some guy, in February, got butthurt about a comment I made on this forum, and posted several negative 'trust' thingies on my profile.

The homophobia again.

Well, this guy recently messaged me asking me if we could mutually delete those negative reviews from each others' profiles. I said absolutely not, because he publicly posted lies about me that stayed online for about 6 months, while conversely, anything and everything I had posted regarding him were truths. He spazzed out and went back through my post history, confronting me on several things I said that could be seen as negative or controversial, basically trying to extort me. I brushed it off because I'm so cool, obviously.  

Never tried or did extort you.... You did give false feedback to people you even claim in the report you didn't trade and said "pretty much a confirmed scammer at this point, though I did not trade with them I was lucky".

So anyway, shortly thereafter he started acting like he was doing me a favor, and deleted those negative reviews, restoring a positive (or neutral, depending on your settings) trust rating on my account.

No favor... mutually resolving the past issue. Ball is in your court if you want to or not.

There doesn't appear to be any means of expunging these false reports. In the past I tried seeking helping from TomatoCage (resident forum coolguy) and he didn't/couldn't really do much. Are there any measures for dealing with this type of guy? He won't go away, because he is dead-set on becoming a trusted 'Senior Member', which is the reason he is hounding me so hard about those negative reviews. It makes me wonder what his end-goal is.

I am not dead-set on becomming a trusted 'Senior Member' I already am one and so are you. The only things I have ever done on here are two give aways for eliciting feedback on my youtube channel which amounted to giving away 100k mooncoins for the first, and giving away to 5 people each .001BTC...(dont worry, ad sense is already disabled so you cant click my ads to screw me over I am sure you would though judging by this whole post you made). My end goal on a forum? Eventually I will be a Hero Member just because I am not going anywhere, then eventually Legendary which happens between 600 to 1000 activity randomly. I just like to stick around here because I generally like the people and I just finished earning .048 btc for 80 constructive posts last month with the Prime Dice ad campaign. I also am one of the Senior Members who made it through the cuts Stunna made to the program due to my post quality and content. I will continue to make better posts and help newbies out with details about bitcoins. That is my end game. I like being on this ad campaign because it is a chance to get some coin while helping out, and they do check the quality of the "constructive posts".

Have you updated the thread at all? At least with the newer ones? If you did, could you link me to it?
Nice video there, hopefully Stunna does not cut people like that.  
Well one can never be sure how someone else sees them and their posting style. I'm guessing we will know in the next 24 hours who's left in this signature campaign.
Good luck everyone, and keep the quality high.
~Lauda.

Did Stunna say he was gonna make his cuts finalized in the next 24 hours?  I didn't see that anywhere but it would be nice to get it over with.  It's like waiting to find out if it's a boy or a girl.

I hope it's a BOYYYY!  lol.

LOL . Yeah he is sending out pm's to people that are being cut as we speak .
In 24 h there will be list of all people that survived the cut .

U guys are cool so i won't keep u waiting , iluvpie60, koshgel and Vlad2Vlad u are proud fathers of boys , u2 williamj2543  . So enjoy .

Im off to bed , see yaa all tomorrow .

Anyway...

What would you do?

I would resolve it like I have been asking you to do since the beginning, instead of posting this in Meta and asking other people their opinions which have nothing to do with a disagreement between me and you. I agreed I would resolve it and I still will, just waiting for you if you really want to resolve this.

[Yeezus]

Long story short, some guy, in February, got butthurt about a comment I made on this forum, and posted several negative 'trust' thingies on my profile.

The homophobia again.

What the hell is homophobic about that? Butthurt isn't homophobic if that's what you're thinking http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ButtHurt

[Yeezus]

I commented to tell you that butthurt has absolutly no homophobic connotations, unless you're counting the one you just made up, but clearly you are butthurt so I'll leave you alone now.

[iluvpie60]

Instead of escalating the situation and trying to get people to leave him undeserved red, you could easily resolve the situation with him. Mutually deleting the negative trust would have squashed it all but you wanna push it cause of ego?

I am ready to resolve it if he wants to. Either way I have moved on and only messaged him because I wanted to resolve it. Maybe he didn't like what I said because he was still understandably upset at me, but I would like to resolve it.

If he doesn't want to that is fine also , sometimes things can't get resolved because one side isn't ready yet. I am not too too sure why it can't be resolved. It is like I said, its not like we traded each other or anything and he got scammed. It is just words on a forum and I have resolved things with other people online way worse than this and way more complicated than this, so I feel like we should both just remove our negative trusts and move on.

Originally, I removed my negative trust on him in good faith and hoped we could mutually conclude this and become better forum dwellers together. I thought we were on the same page since he said I should do that to put forward a good faith effort, which I then did. This time I would likeBitcoinbobbeh to go first then I will remove mine. I just feel like this should be over and done with, especially since it happened over 6 months ago and didn't actually affect anything for either of us. Everyone who saw our profiles only saw we have negative trust if they looked at the "untrusted feedback" section. So nobody even really knew, and if they read through it they saw it was just a disagreement with another forum user. I think what is making bobby mad is that he thought the whole time he showed up as -4 to other users, but he really was showing up at 0/0 neutral.


So now that is all cleared up I think we should just resolve this and concentrate on making the forums better.

[BitcoinBobbeh]

Sometimes things can't get resolved because one side isn't ready yet. I am not too too sure why it can't be resolved.

This is exactly why. The holier-than-thou attitude. Just admit you've been posting false information about me. And then delete it.

Until you do, I have nothing more to say to or about you.

After you do, we can talk.

[iluvpie60]

Sometimes things can't get resolved because one side isn't ready yet. I am not too too sure why it can't be resolved.

This is exactly why. The holier-than-thou attitude. Just admit you've been posting false information about me. And then delete it.

Until you do, I have nothing more to say to or about you.

After you do, we can talk.

We already talked about this through PM and I did apologize. How many times does that have to happen? Do you really need me to apologize and get down on my knees in front of people on a forum to get around this?

Fine I will, because I can see that is what it will take.  But I do not have a holier-than-thou attitude, I am just ready to move on.

I am sorry we got into an argument and sorry for the entire debacle that followed and sorry that this is still going on.


I AM SORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ABOUT EVERY PART OF THIS.

[iluvpie60]

I see...

Well if that's the case, as most of you believe, then here is the guy's account.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=182034

Feel free to leave negative feedback of your own  

If you'd like proof I can forward you his weird messages.

quoted for future reference.



so can we resolve this now then or what? I already did what you asked me to do before in good faith. Is it really too much to ask of you to go first this time in good faith?

regards,

iluvpie60