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August 30, 2014, 11:06:49 AM
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It's actually quite amazing how many people do not know about bitcoins to be honest and I agree it does make it unfair to those who are unable to understand who to start, where to buy and how to keep what they own safe. Many jumped on the wagon when bitcoin was first released and quickly became rich just by investing. I personally would love to see a world where everyone knew about and understood bitcoin, it's a shame that kind of world is too far off yet as I feel it would help a lot of people greatly if they had the chance to at least try and invest.
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August 30, 2014, 01:22:53 PM
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The problem of the unfairness of bitcoin is not only about the distribution of the coins (some people don't have the knowledge or the information to buy it cheap), but also on the potential impact of bitcoin on the value of fiat if bitcoin becomes generally accepted.

In certain countries with high inflation, a general adoption of bitcoin will increase the dumping of the national currency, making things even worst for the ones that don't have bitcoin.

It is the large fiat holders who would be impacted by high inflation. That is not so bad for wealth distribution, is it?
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September 02, 2014, 03:10:47 PM
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Of the world's over 7 billion people, how many can today afford or even practically buy bitcoins? Not many percentage wise. And someone said that 70% of the U.S. population today don't even know what bitcoin is.

So how is that fair? It isn't. Because the opportunity to buy early is very lopsidedly distributed in society.


What's wrong with that? Neither can everyone have a Porsche. But everyone is free to buy it, they just need to give goods or services in exchange.


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September 03, 2014, 11:29:40 PM
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Of the world's over 7 billion people, how many can today afford or even practically buy bitcoins? Not many percentage wise. And someone said that 70% of the U.S. population today don't even know what bitcoin is.

So how is that fair? It isn't. Because the opportunity to buy early is very lopsidedly distributed in society.


What's wrong with that? Neither can everyone have a Porsche. But everyone is free to buy it, they just need to give goods or services in exchange.




The only difference is that Porsche is a consumption asset. If a majority of the people have to do without Porsches, it would be considered acceptable. In the scenario that Bitcoin becomes the de-facto currency of the world, excluding a large part of the world from holding bitcoins (because they are priced out) may be considered unfair.
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September 04, 2014, 01:33:51 AM
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its only unfair if you expect everyone who uses it to become rich by just owning some, but thats not what currencies do

The deflationary nature of bitcoin may make the price rise a lot if many big investors will start buying bitcoins. If the big investors compete. They (the big whales) could manipulate the price, so it's not a guarantee that the price will rise a lot. If there will be a huge interest in bitcoin then the sheer mass of investments will likely make the bitcoin price to skyrocket.

Investments are fair, but what may happen is that the really big investors don't want those who own bitcoins today to become more wealthy than themselves.

bitcoin is high inflationary and when the inflation drops under 3% a year in 15 year, there will be a different and better crypto monetary unit. I guess the success for wealth will be to jump from one to the other over decades and betting for the right horse. The dogma is here, that we dont use Netscape anymore neither Altavista, but instead Chrome and Google.
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September 04, 2014, 02:29:15 AM
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Of the world's over 7 billion people, how many can today afford or even practically buy bitcoins? Not many percentage wise. And someone said that 70% of the U.S. population today don't even know what bitcoin is.

So how is that fair? It isn't. Because the opportunity to buy early is very lopsidedly distributed in society.


What's wrong with that? Neither can everyone have a Porsche. But everyone is free to buy it, they just need to give goods or services in exchange.




The only difference is that Porsche is a consumption asset. If a majority of the people have to do without Porsches, it would be considered acceptable. In the scenario that Bitcoin becomes the de-facto currency of the world, excluding a large part of the world from holding bitcoins (because they are priced out) may be considered unfair.

  What's "fair" got to do with it?  Where does Satoshi say that Bitcoin is supposed to be fair and distributed evenly to everyone on the planet?
 I can't seem to find that when I read the white paper.
             Also,
 If Bitcoin becomes the de-facto currency of the world then surely everyone will be paid in Bitcoins.
    Then everyone will have Bitcoins. Problem solved.  Roll Eyes

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September 04, 2014, 02:57:10 AM
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I Agree for that
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September 04, 2014, 06:02:18 AM
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Of the world's over 7 billion people, how many can today afford or even practically buy bitcoins? Not many percentage wise. And someone said that 70% of the U.S. population today don't even know what bitcoin is.

So how is that fair? It isn't. Because the opportunity to buy early is very lopsidedly distributed in society.


What's wrong with that? Neither can everyone have a Porsche. But everyone is free to buy it, they just need to give goods or services in exchange.




The only difference is that Porsche is a consumption asset. If a majority of the people have to do without Porsches, it would be considered acceptable. In the scenario that Bitcoin becomes the de-facto currency of the world, excluding a large part of the world from holding bitcoins (because they are priced out) may be considered unfair.
There is no requirement that someone must hold at least a certain amount of bitcon to hold any bitcoin at all. Since bitcoin is divisible by up to 8 decimal places, someone could only own .00001 bitcoin if 1 bitcoin was more they could afford (or if .00002 bitcoin was more then they could afford).

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September 04, 2014, 06:58:49 AM
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Bitcoin as a social currency that is fair, I agree with that statement, as we know that the currency now in circulation in the world, many dominated by conglomerates and government authorities, so that it can be said that a rich man can be richer while the poor people who can add poor , is called the capitalist economic system
bitcoin present gives new hope, that can be fairly evenly bitcoin circulation to the entire population of the world, because bitcoin itself does not have a physical form such other currencies, bitcoin is only a cryptocurrency that have prices, depending on usage in the market ...
so bitcoin can not be controlled by a single party, distribution of bitcoin premises more evenly than other currencies ...  Tongue

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September 04, 2014, 07:08:22 AM
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Of the world's over 7 billion people, how many can today afford or even practically buy bitcoins? Not many percentage wise. And someone said that 70% of the U.S. population today don't even know what bitcoin is.

So how is that fair? It isn't. Because the opportunity to buy early is very lopsidedly distributed in society.


What's wrong with that? Neither can everyone have a Porsche. But everyone is free to buy it, they just need to give goods or services in exchange.




The only difference is that Porsche is a consumption asset. If a majority of the people have to do without Porsches, it would be considered acceptable. In the scenario that Bitcoin becomes the de-facto currency of the world, excluding a large part of the world from holding bitcoins (because they are priced out) may be considered unfair.

They wouldn't be excluded, they can get them like everyone else, by selling goods and services in exchange of them.
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September 04, 2014, 07:21:57 AM
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Of the world's over 7 billion people, how many can today afford or even practically buy bitcoins? Not many percentage wise. And someone said that 70% of the U.S. population today don't even know what bitcoin is.

So how is that fair? It isn't. Because the opportunity to buy early is very lopsidedly distributed in society.

What about in the future? Let's say that a fraction of a percent of the world's population become very wealthy by having bought bitcoins early. The price of one bitcoin has become extremely high. Would that be a fair monetary system? Could be! Cheesy Why? Price/performance is progressing exponentially for information technology, and as Ray Kurzweil has pointed out, even material goods are becoming information technology.

This means that within a few decades people will be able to 3D print a Big Mac for free. And a decade after that, a flying Ferrari can be 3D printed for free. And then how many bitcoins you own will not matter that much. Ha ha.

I don't really see what point you are trying to make here.

Are you saying bitcoin is not fair because most people do not know what it is and hence not able to invest in it?

please help me, how to invest in bitcoin. whether there is a secure wallet.
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September 04, 2014, 08:49:53 AM
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please help me, how to invest in bitcoin. whether there is a secure wallet.

You can invest in altcoins or in some other thing.
Meaning you can open account on some cryptomarket and try to ear by investing in some altcoin that looks promising or you can invest in some other thing like gold, silver, oil ....

You pick one and choose wisely.




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September 04, 2014, 02:55:54 PM
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Of the world's over 7 billion people, how many can today afford or even practically buy bitcoins? Not many percentage wise. And someone said that 70% of the U.S. population today don't even know what bitcoin is.

So how is that fair? It isn't. Because the opportunity to buy early is very lopsidedly distributed in society.


What's wrong with that? Neither can everyone have a Porsche. But everyone is free to buy it, they just need to give goods or services in exchange.




The only difference is that Porsche is a consumption asset. If a majority of the people have to do without Porsches, it would be considered acceptable. In the scenario that Bitcoin becomes the de-facto currency of the world, excluding a large part of the world from holding bitcoins (because they are priced out) may be considered unfair.

They wouldn't be excluded, they can get them like everyone else, by selling goods and services in exchange of them.

Those who get in at the fag end of mass adoption will have only a few satoshis, even if they sold goods and services n exchange for them. Smiley
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September 04, 2014, 03:22:47 PM
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Whats fair is money doesnt get created randomly, thats what you could say is fair about btc.
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September 05, 2014, 09:58:31 AM
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Of the world's over 7 billion people, how many can today afford or even practically buy bitcoins? Not many percentage wise. And someone said that 70% of the U.S. population today don't even know what bitcoin is.

So how is that fair? It isn't. Because the opportunity to buy early is very lopsidedly distributed in society.


What's wrong with that? Neither can everyone have a Porsche. But everyone is free to buy it, they just need to give goods or services in exchange.




The only difference is that Porsche is a consumption asset. If a majority of the people have to do without Porsches, it would be considered acceptable. In the scenario that Bitcoin becomes the de-facto currency of the world, excluding a large part of the world from holding bitcoins (because they are priced out) may be considered unfair.

They wouldn't be excluded, they can get them like everyone else, by selling goods and services in exchange of them.

Those who get in at the fag end of mass adoption will have only a few satoshis, even if they sold goods and services n exchange for them. Smiley

Yes, but those satoshis will be worth much more than now. So it's the same.
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September 05, 2014, 10:36:08 AM
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Of the world's over 7 billion people, how many can today afford or even practically buy bitcoins? Not many percentage wise. And someone said that 70% of the U.S. population today don't even know what bitcoin is.

So how is that fair? It isn't. Because the opportunity to buy early is very lopsidedly distributed in society.


What's wrong with that? Neither can everyone have a Porsche. But everyone is free to buy it, they just need to give goods or services in exchange.




The only difference is that Porsche is a consumption asset. If a majority of the people have to do without Porsches, it would be considered acceptable. In the scenario that Bitcoin becomes the de-facto currency of the world, excluding a large part of the world from holding bitcoins (because they are priced out) may be considered unfair.

They wouldn't be excluded, they can get them like everyone else, by selling goods and services in exchange of them.

Those who get in at the fag end of mass adoption will have only a few satoshis, even if they sold goods and services n exchange for them. Smiley

Yes, but those satoshis will be worth much more than now. So it's the same.

I dont know maybe they will but that is long term. Most of newcomers want fast so i dont think that they will succeed in this.






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September 05, 2014, 05:53:02 PM
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Of the world's over 7 billion people, how many can today afford or even practically buy bitcoins? Not many percentage wise. And someone said that 70% of the U.S. population today don't even know what bitcoin is.

So how is that fair? It isn't. Because the opportunity to buy early is very lopsidedly distributed in society.


What's wrong with that? Neither can everyone have a Porsche. But everyone is free to buy it, they just need to give goods or services in exchange.




The only difference is that Porsche is a consumption asset. If a majority of the people have to do without Porsches, it would be considered acceptable. In the scenario that Bitcoin becomes the de-facto currency of the world, excluding a large part of the world from holding bitcoins (because they are priced out) may be considered unfair.

They wouldn't be excluded, they can get them like everyone else, by selling goods and services in exchange of them.

Those who get in at the fag end of mass adoption will have only a few satoshis, even if they sold goods and services n exchange for them. Smiley

Yes, but those satoshis will be worth much more than now. So it's the same.

I dont know maybe they will but that is long term. Most of newcomers want fast so i dont think that they will succeed in this.





The newcomers do not have the belief or patience to buy and hold bitcoins for a long time.
Many newbies believe that the massive rally in end-2013 will be repeated sooner or later.
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September 05, 2014, 06:26:33 PM
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Of the world's over 7 billion people, how many can today afford or even practically buy bitcoins? Not many percentage wise. And someone said that 70% of the U.S. population today don't even know what bitcoin is.

So how is that fair? It isn't. Because the opportunity to buy early is very lopsidedly distributed in society.


What's wrong with that? Neither can everyone have a Porsche. But everyone is free to buy it, they just need to give goods or services in exchange.




The only difference is that Porsche is a consumption asset. If a majority of the people have to do without Porsches, it would be considered acceptable. In the scenario that Bitcoin becomes the de-facto currency of the world, excluding a large part of the world from holding bitcoins (because they are priced out) may be considered unfair.

You dont need to own entire BTC, you can own 1 dollar in BTC, so where's the problem? In future, BTC will be like elite, we will talk in terms of mBTC or whatever.
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September 06, 2014, 01:43:23 AM
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I would not worry about the other 7 billion.  What if bitcoin failed would they bail you out?  Unlike the dollar it is never too later to bitcoin.  The only socially fair currency is one with zero inflation or deflation.
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September 06, 2014, 08:53:26 AM
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I would not worry about the other 7 billion.  What if bitcoin failed would they bail you out?  Unlike the dollar it is never too later to bitcoin.  The only socially fair currency is one with zero inflation or deflation.
I found very interesting article about it. It's called "What If We Build It And Nobody Came?" you can google it and read something you may agree with.
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