Ok this has got far enough, so I'll post substratas, dooglus and my responses before this got public.
PART 1:Substrata contacted me on July 3rd with message:
Hello, this is regarding the thread in the gambling section that has become a rather big topic of discussion over the past day:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1106133.100As I have claimed in the thread, I have found a way to bet on your site that gives an edge advantage to the players. In addition, there is a way to exploit the client side to manipulate some data that should not be manipulable. These claims have been tested and confirmed by user dooglus to be true.
I am asking for 1.5
BTC as a bounty for finding these brutally exploitable bugs on your site. dooglus is included in this group pm to verify these claims. If you are willing to escrow the 1.5
BTC for the bounty we can discuss this bugs at the soonest possible time so that they can be fixed.
Please use "reply to all" when replying to this message so that all three users may be included in this PM conversation.
I replied back (as always I'm suspicious about all kind of "bug" reports and don't care about users status (except if user is moderator od administrator of this forum)
Hi.
Thank you for contacting us.
Is the way to provide player EV+ to make referrals and investment combination? If that's the way we're already covering this and we knew before for this issue.
If you get some other way to get edge while playing, let me know.
We get lots of so called "I found a bug on your site or I will steal your coins if you don't pay me", so you'll have to tell something more before you get paid.
The hero or legendary status on forum doesn't mean much...
reply from substrata:
thank you for replying; as stated before this is a method through betting the gives the player an edge, effectively rendering the house edge useless.
Reply from dooglus.
Is the way to provide player EV+ to make referrals and investment combination? If that's the way we're already covering this and we knew before for this issue.
No, it is nothing to do with either.
If you get some other way to get edge while playing, let me know.
I thought he already had. He has some other way to be with an advantage.
We get lots of so called "I found a bug on your site or I will steal your coins if you don't pay me", so you'll have to tell something more before you get paid.
I do too. And they're almost always just idiots trying it on. This time it isn't. You want to fix this one.
The hero or legendary status on forum doesn't mean much...
I think it's a simple post count isn't it? But do you think that's why he asked me to look at this? I don't. Maybe check my posting history if you don't know why he came to me with this. I can escrow this for you. If you can make any kind of reasonable argument that he hasn't found a way for players to beat your site then I will refund you.
Again, by default I don't trust users asking for rewards, even if they are legendary, especially if this is from another dice website.
And I reply back:
Reply from substrata
1 BTC is fine for just the bug that allows for the house edge, but the information regarding the second bug where your client can be exploited to manipulate data sent to the server will not be given without the full payment. also, I will not be clicking that link as it is not under the domain "bitcointalk.org." if anything, looks like a possible phishing link.
Suddenly there were two bugs. Hmm...but I Lol'd about phishing link.
Dooglus:
I don't know if I've ever spoken with subSTRATA before he approached me with this issue, but you're free to use any escrow you both agree on. I would recommend using someone trustworthy who understands the concept of +EV and is good with math.
Hmm. Maybe that's why subSTRATA picked me, idk.
Can't live without praising himself?
My answer:
substrata about second bug:
the second bug was discovered later on through dooglus's efforts, and was not announced in the thread, for obvious reasons. and the list you linked is outdated, this list of escrow services is more up to date:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=855778.0master-P is my preferred escrow service if this is fine with you dogecoinmachine.
No problem for me.
So I said for price 1.1 BTC:
We're prepaired to pay 1.1BTC but that's the highest price we can do.
And substrata ACCEPTED. Great! We'll finish this deal shortly.
that is acceptable to me; I will contact master-p for escrowing these funds shortly.
then dooglus:
What did I just read?
dcm: how about 1 BTC?
ss: OK
dcm: 1.1 BTC is our best price
ss: OK!
I was like wtf and responded. Suddenly 1.1 BTC is not good enough.
1.1 is for all the bugs. So we understand each other.
And one more thing... I want calculations how you get to 32.2% ev+
And detailed descriptions of all the exploits.
Things started to get complicated:
im agreeing to 1 BTC for the big of obtaining +EV bets on your site, as for the latter bug that allows player manipulation of data, i leave that to dooglus weather or not he acccepts to disclose this for a grand sum of 1.1 BTC. master-P has agreed to escrow, but I will not start a group pm until all terms are agreed on.
as it stands right now, we would highly prefer the full asked sum of 1.5 BTC for both of these bugs. i am prepared to disclose the +EV bug for 1 BTC, but the other one is up to dooglus.
They are now getting greedy, so I responded
1.1 BTC for both exploits. Take it or leave it.
So: Detailed descriptions of all the exploits + calculations.
Then comes the threats from substrata!
please do note that you are not in a position to make demands or commands otherwise here; my inbox is flooded since that thread has become quite the controversial focus over the past day. after this exchange i will be providing the details of the first exploit detailing how to obtain +EV bets on your site after funds equaling 1 BTC have been escrowed to master-p. i will be initiating a 4-way pm with him at this point.
My respond...second time for 1.1BTC price:
As I said:
1.1 BTC for both exploits. Take it or leave it.
But he didn't care, substrata just managed the escrow. LOL?
This 4-way pm between me, dogecoinmachine, dooglus, and master-P (acting as escrow) will be for the deal to provide a bug detailing the method in which to obtain +EV bets for the site that dogecoinmachine owns: crypto-games.net.
The agreed bounty for this bug is 1 BTC, details as well as calculations on this exploit will be provided once a PGP signed message from master-P is received by all parties confirming he holds the 1 BTC in funds.
I'm getting pissed off:
I don't know what's the matter with you. The deal is finished if we get all the exploits for 1.1 BTC. No half deals!
THIRD TIMES: 1.1 FOR ALL BUG REPORTS!
And substrata insist:
again, the details of the second exploit are only known to dooglus, and its a minor one at that; i only hold power to tell you of the first exploit, it is completely up to dooglus weather or not he agrees to 1.1 for both, i am prepared to agree to 1 BTC for the first exploit.
I was not willing to negotiate with each other for the price, since 1.1 BTC was agreed before!
Manage this with him then.
Fourth time: 1.1 BTC for all the exploits.
Answer from substrata:
i dont think you understand; not im my power to do so. it would seem to me he has gone to sleep; maybe we can continue this tomorrow or in a few hours after youve gone and cooled off a bit.
Response from me, probably the same for the 5th times:
I'm willing to buy the WHOLE package for 1.1 BTC. If he gets only 0.1, or you two split the money is not my business.
So both exploits or nothing.
Now he feels bad because he dont have 1.1 BTC in his pocket:
sorry master-P, this will have to be delayed for 12 hours at least, dogecoinmachine seems rather hostile in accepting the offer, and I think dooglus has gone to sleep so the terms cannot be discussed further, im afraid this will have to wait a bit.
again, dooglus is likely sleeping right now, i wll contact you again once i hear from him.
PART 2The forum:
the admin of the site seems rather hostile and is trying to rip both me and dooglus off, demanding a lower bounty for the deal, i am entertaining offers in this thread or through pm regarding this. a percentage of this will be paid to dooglus for his help in confirming this issue.
OMG now we're trying to rip you off!?
"heres my price take it or leave it lolol fk off" is basically the tone im getting from this guy. he seems rather hostile, which is dissuading me from helping his site out, which i believe the price I asked for for two very serious bugs was completely reasonable.
Yes and you agreed with 1.1 BTC didn't you!?
judging from the language used, the admin of the site completely distrusts me and dooglus at the moment (lol), and im thinking that its more that the admin is unwilling to pay rather than being unable to judging from the language he used.
Hmm...what language did I use? Did I insult you in any message!?
After this message we ourself reported on the forum.
Part 3 (again private messages)The same day (June 3rd) I apologize to him via private message:
Actually you did speak badly.
I'm sorry if i insult you but you crossed the line when a done deal was not a done deal anymore.
You cant say yes, and then change your mind...
His respond. He claims he didn't agreed with the terms. omg.
i think you need to understand that i did not agree in the first place, i merely said it was agreeable. feel free to look that word up. i meant that if dooglus was okay with it, then I would agree to that deal. i never agreed to accept it which mean i never backed out of it in the first place.
After this users are collecting points for their signature camapign. Some guys are just writing lies and BS just to get posts. Pathetic.
