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January 24, 2019, 09:50:42 PM
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So seems to me maybe 'drama' ramped up kinda when right after Fluffy sort of went off the rails...?  Coincidence?
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Come again?



Also interested.

I'm not gonna expand on this other than to say, guys... LOOK: for ME at least Fluffy ain't the same FLUFFY he was at the beginning.  "Something" changed.  Not least being his extreme pro-Core alignment stance (and YES this is WHY I ain't gonna "get into this" because I don't want it to trigger yet another god damn divisive shitstorm of BTCvsBCHvsEveryDamnOtherThing in cryptoverse that this shit ALWAYS triggers...)

I just think SOMETHING is GOING ON that we cannot SEE.

And it's because MONERO REALLY IS A THREAT.  Isn't it?

OR am I just delusional imagining shit that ain't really there?  Crypto GHOSTS haunting me???

LOL  Grin

P.S. Maybe to put it another way: the FACT that there has NOT been any clear apparent ATTACK against MONERO yet so far as we can SEE... to me, must MEAN there is some ATTACK happening that we CANNOT SEE!  The alternative concept that there simply has been "no attack" YET seems to me... impossible.

I can't necessarily say i disagree (or agree for that matter). It's pretty hard if not impossible to find out what's going on in Monero without plugging in an email address somewhere these days. People are naturally going to feel left out and i think that draws a lot on what I've mentioned a few days ago, where the question of 'Is this by design?' came up.

Reddit is absolutely downright painful. IRC channel has no public logs available (at least none advertised) so it's hard to tell what happens at the primary channels of communication. Chans are about as garbage as ever.

As far as being in bed with core .. whole different ball park and having real access to primary sources in which to found reasonable opinions on, like those found in IRC, would be massively beneficial in discussions going forward.

Now I suppose I can go and fuck with some service to get good logs and not summaries that i gotta pay for but id rather just type in monerologs.com and have them spit back at me in a readable and linkable fashion.

But maybe that would be too efficient, maybe then people would begin having discussions of too high quality? Maybe someone wouldn't like that?

Imagine the power of being able to instantaneously view logs, as primary sources of information, in order to prevent accusations of intentional obstruction of information..?

I dunno sounds like a neat project for someone not wanting to deal with horsehit rules like 'oh there's no constant logs here for your publicly decentralized cryptocurrency we're the kinda folks who don't like that'. Because monero's going to be illegal and monero's never going to make it and you need to pay your taxes and we totally listen to all of those guys right?

But of course now monero becomes factually worth more than freenode and yet we continue to draw the line at some yahoos running a freenode server's opinions without actually ever trying to a) change that opinion or b) disregard that stupid opinion as it's costing people time and effort. I mean if reasonable people trying to enter the community can't look back and see where it came from that would piss me right of .. and currently does so maybe theres a easy way to figure out how to do that but even starting now would be missing four going on five years of history so ouch already.

Obviously this is bearing on too much information to write into a single post so maybe ill go post it somewhere else cause it's getting long .. just tldr: [logs of] primary sources of information are too hard to come by as they are, and not having the ability to see them is hurting not just me. So what can I do?
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January 24, 2019, 10:20:59 PM
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If we can push through 135 it would be pretty major.  I expect a pullback before that could be tried though.

By the way, our old friend Dash seems to be coming along for the ride... 
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January 24, 2019, 11:03:00 PM
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If we can push through 135 it would be pretty major.  I expect a pullback before that could be tried though.

By the way, our old friend Dash seems to be coming along for the ride... 


probably will go below 10 bucks as grin starts gaining more adoption. xmr is old news at this point, no1 cares about it.
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January 24, 2019, 11:11:55 PM
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probably will go below 10 bucks as grin starts gaining more adoption. xmr is old news at this point, no1 cares about it.

Says a known scammer.... lol Roll Eyes

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January 25, 2019, 11:13:36 AM
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So seems to me maybe 'drama' ramped up kinda when right after Fluffy sort of went off the rails...?  Coincidence?
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Come again?



Also interested.

I'm not gonna expand on this other than to say, guys... LOOK: for ME at least Fluffy ain't the same FLUFFY he was at the beginning.  "Something" changed.  Not least being his extreme pro-Core alignment stance (and YES this is WHY I ain't gonna "get into this" because I don't want it to trigger yet another god damn divisive shitstorm of BTCvsBCHvsEveryDamnOtherThing in cryptoverse that this shit ALWAYS triggers...)

I just think SOMETHING is GOING ON that we cannot SEE.

And it's because MONERO REALLY IS A THREAT.  Isn't it?

OR am I just delusional imagining shit that ain't really there?  Crypto GHOSTS haunting me???

LOL  Grin

P.S. Maybe to put it another way: the FACT that there has NOT been any clear apparent ATTACK against MONERO yet so far as we can SEE... to me, must MEAN there is some ATTACK happening that we CANNOT SEE!  The alternative concept that there simply has been "no attack" YET seems to me... impossible.

The most important thing fluffy did in retrospect was to disassociate him self “officially” by giving the big middle finger to wanna-be pumpers/investors by presenting his troll ‘MEA’ video at the 2016 NYC meeting. People always were strongly correlating anything that happened in Monero to fluffy as if he actually were a CEO of some scammy ICO company.

This allowed fluffy to have a life the way he wants to live it, and this also allowed Monero to continue it’s altruistic mission of being a private, decentralized and fungible... so imo, this has nothing to do with fluffy. He has every right to be as much of a troll/blockstream fan boy as he wants. We are in this to go away from a central authority.


Well I think this was an interesting read (especially between the lines..) -

https://unhashed.com/cryptocurrency-news/mimblewimble-coins-falter-litecoin-and-monero-remain-enthusiastic/

So maybe we are looking at Kovri going bust and MW on the Tari sidechain?


 
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What do you guys think of the slow accumulation of gold by non-US central banks? It seems that they believe (as do many of us) that the dollar’s reserve currency role is unsustainable and that gold will return to its former role as sound high-powered money. I’ve thought that in light of Bitcoin and Monero the central bankers were betting on the wrong horse. Is it possible that it is we not them who are out of touch? What is most likely, a return to the gold standard, adoption of a cryptocurrency standard, or coexistence of both standards?

To expect right now for central banks to start buying Bitcoin would be a bit to optimistic. They should be and are most conservative investors. They are aware that era of USD as world reserve currency standard is ending so they have to diversify and be as least dependent to it as possible. Safest way is through Gold. CNY was designated for new reserve currency, but brings more risks then Gold. Bitcoin or Monero brings a lot lot lot more risks. Central banks try to secure existing wealth and not risk to make more profit.  Over time Bitcoin and Monero will be more acceptable. Upcoming economic crisis will help drastically to that mental switch. In next 10 or even 20 years crypto, gold and fiat will coexist. None of them will vanish as many speculate.

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January 26, 2019, 02:20:46 PM
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So we still believe in another pump? It still sucks I did not sell a bit at last ath. Feel so stupid! Loosing faith in another pump, people now know what bitcoin is but they don’t care
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January 26, 2019, 05:09:53 PM
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So we still believe in another pump? It still sucks I did not sell a bit at last ath. Feel so stupid! Loosing faith in another pump, people now know what bitcoin is but they don’t care

Who are these "people" and how are you reading their minds? Also not sure you have the right thread given this is Monero Spec.

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So we still believe in another pump?

No pump. But bear market of this bitcoin cycle ended or is ending. So at end of the year new growth should start. So none should worry if they had not sold at ATH.  Also when suddenly privacy coins matters again. When something happens and all crypto reflectors will be on Monero again. Then price will decouple from BTC again and Monero will make a leg up. This cant be predicted as we can predict Bitcoins cycle that base on halvening. But it happened in past and it will happen again. and it will happen when we will least expect it.

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January 26, 2019, 08:37:20 PM
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Growth of good coins is expected, monero is the top privacy coin right now so we can easily expect gains. The amount of gains is the question as it will still be in competition with dash which just got updated, but i still expect monero to come out on top

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^  Dash?  Is Dash still in competition with XMR?  Can it really technically compete with XMR?  I think it accepted it can't compete vs XMR the day it dropped the Darkcoin name.

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^  Dash?  Is Dash still in competition with XMR?  Can it really technically compete with XMR?  I think it accepted it can't compete vs XMR the day it dropped the Darkcoin name.

W0W, just checked it out and they have managed to keep it from complete collapse.
I'm quite surprised it still exists at all.

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W0W, just checked it out and they have managed to keep it from complete collapse.
I'm quite surprised it still exists at all.
They trying hard.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/aka5kx/scam_and_embezzlement_from_dash_dao_venezuela/

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^  Dash?  Is Dash still in competition with XMR?  Can it really technically compete with XMR?  I think it accepted it can't compete vs XMR the day it dropped the Darkcoin name.

W0W, just checked it out and they have managed to keep it from complete collapse.
I'm quite surprised it still exists at all.

I would have bet a lot of money that Duffield would have been the SEC's CryptoScam posterboy by now. Probably why I avoid prop bets--life is mostly curve balls.

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January 27, 2019, 08:18:54 PM
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The consensus seems to be that Monero is a little better in terms of privacy, but Grin is pretty good. Grin is limited to 10-20 TPS, tops. Monero is theoretically capable of 1,700 TPS. Grin has amazing scaling in terms of blockchain size, but that's not very important IMO.

Mind expanding on the bolded?  As this is the bit that seems to be the hardest criticism of Monero.  Are you thinking layer 2 is the answer?  Similar to BTC?  Moores law?  Etc?

Storage is cheap. And yes, Moore's law will ensure that storage capacity keeps increasing and stays cheap.

I believe an elegant solution to scaling TPS is much more important, at least for now.
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January 28, 2019, 06:26:37 AM
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^  Dash?  Is Dash still in competition with XMR?  Can it really technically compete with XMR?  I think it accepted it can't compete vs XMR the day it dropped the Darkcoin name.

W0W, just checked it out and they have managed to keep it from complete collapse.
I'm quite surprised it still exists at all.

I would have bet a lot of money that Duffield would have been the SEC's CryptoScam posterboy by now. Probably why I avoid prop bets--life is mostly curve balls.

I hear you on this, there is not a more cut and dry case for a well known coin.
Thats for sure.

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Hi guys! Although I'm lurking this forum since late 2016 this is my first post here.
I was mining Monero till recent advent of ASIC/FPGA on network - are there any news/rumors regarding Monero dev's reaction on that?
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January 28, 2019, 12:44:49 PM
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https://twitter.com/loomdart/status/1089649413226745857

"Some cool statistics
$BTC daily emission=$6.5m yday
$ETH daily emission=$1.9m yday
$GRIN emission at $14=$1.2m a day
$ZEC daily emission=$370k yday
$BEAM emission at $2.45=$350k a day
$DASH daily emission=$130k yday
$XMR daily emission=$105k yday
$DOGE daily emission=$28k yday"


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January 28, 2019, 03:14:08 PM
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^  Dash?  Is Dash still in competition with XMR?  Can it really technically compete with XMR?  I think it accepted it can't compete vs XMR the day it dropped the Darkcoin name.

W0W, just checked it out and they have managed to keep it from complete collapse.
I'm quite surprised it still exists at all.

I would have bet a lot of money that Duffield would have been the SEC's CryptoScam posterboy by now. Probably why I avoid prop bets--life is mostly curve balls.

I hear you on this, there is not a more cut and dry case for a well known coin.
Thats for sure.

Are you talking about Dash's instamine?  How would the SEC go after Duffield with that tho?  It's isn't like he issued unlicensed securities or anything.

And the (evil) genius in his master node idea is if he already planned it right from the very beginning when he was instamining Dash.  Omfg brilliant!

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January 28, 2019, 03:45:46 PM
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^  Dash?  Is Dash still in competition with XMR?  Can it really technically compete with XMR?  I think it accepted it can't compete vs XMR the day it dropped the Darkcoin name.

W0W, just checked it out and they have managed to keep it from complete collapse.
I'm quite surprised it still exists at all.

I would have bet a lot of money that Duffield would have been the SEC's CryptoScam posterboy by now. Probably why I avoid prop bets--life is mostly curve balls.

I hear you on this, there is not a more cut and dry case for a well known coin.
Thats for sure.

Are you talking about Dash's instamine?  How would the SEC go after Duffield with that tho?  It's isn't like he issued unlicensed securities or anything.

And the (evil) genius in his master node idea is if he already planned it right from the very beginning when he was instamining Dash.  Omfg brilliant!

Early on he was issuing media with potential ROI, so set up the expectation of profit. Not sure how the SEC determines centralization, but letting a cartel based on holdings determine the outcome of votes seems very stock like. Basically the biggest masternode holders act as stewards for everyone invested--whether they want to believe it or not is another story.

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