[XMR] Monero Speculation

[tokira]

Guys, if there are holders here - buy PRiVCY
Monero has already passed the pump, look how it collapsed.

Monero is shit!
The future is PRiVCY !!!

I'm waiting for everyone here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4503790.msg40546622#msg40546622

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You mean this Shit is so good they are giving it away!!!

Damn I have to buy Monero.

I must be doing it wrong.

Dude, stopped on their discord and people were talking about "If the price pumps to X, I'll buy a lambo for every day of the week!"

Don't they know the life cycle of a privacy shitcoin? 1. launch coin silently so devs can accumulate 2. make incredible claims (IE. Whitepaper SOON!) 3. work noobs into a frothy lather of expectations 4. go full-shill and attack Monero 5. pump and die 6. take what you learned and start a new coin (only appies to devs and pump masters)

You don't skip to 4

you're so clever.
Before the pump did you already buy PRiVCY?

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[johnalan]

Anyone think we will ever see the lofty heights of >0.03 again?

[cAPSLOCK]

Anyone think we will ever see the lofty heights of >0.03 again?

If Monero continues to have value as a project there is no way we will not see those "lofty heights" again.

What do you think is the answer to the first half of that? (not rhetorical)

[johnalan]

Anyone think we will ever see the lofty heights of >0.03 again?

What do you think is the answer to the first half of that? (not rhetorical)

How do you mean? - are you asking if I see Monero continuing to have value?

[opv321]

If you compare weekly price action between BTC and XMR, there is anticipated XMR growth in the near future.
According to Ichimoku Cloud, there are clear indicators that XMR is on the upward trends.

[equipoise]

My speculation: Monero is close to the bottom in both BTC and USD terms - maybe even passed it. There are exciting months ahead.

[Hueristic]

My speculation: Monero is close to the bottom in both BTC and USD terms - maybe even passed it. There are exciting months ahead.

I agree. I think the price stability during the BTC rally has shown that.

[dEBRUYNE]

GUI v0.12.3.0 (with direct Ledger support) released!

https://reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/925q5m/gui_v01230_with_direct_ledger_support_released/

[phishead]

Now if I can just get this old ass ledger of mine I bought during the first rumors of ledger integrating Monero to update it's firmware I will be one happy monito

[vaddi]

whats the best monero wallet at the moment?

[johnalan]

whats the best monero wallet at the moment?

On iOS it's MyMonero or CakeWallet.

On Android it's Monerujo

On everything else the Core wallet or Ledger.

[Hueristic]

whats the best monero wallet at the moment?

The official site:

https://getmonero.org/downloads/

[cryptokwuk]

Optional Fungability will never keep you safe.

I hear this a lot but it's an absolutely unsubstantiated claim.

We have several other strong privacy coins which, unlike Monero, have never been severely broken.
Remember that before the last network update most transactions are able to be linked and traced. The issues may have been fixed for new transactions but it leaves a big fat scar on the reputation of Monero and it's users over the past years are still at risk from their past transactions. Or as Spagni likes to say to discredit privacy altcoins "lives could be at stake here."

Take ZCash, Dash or Pivx. They may not be private by default, but none of their private transactions have ever been linked or or traced.
It would seem mandatory fungibility didn't help Monero one bit in the past.

Spagni also commented that some of the problems in the protocol are impossible to solve, this is just unacceptable if you want to be safe, we need to think of other methods to actually make it secure and not have stuff in there that 'is safe, for now...' while keeping in mind that the blockchain will remember our transaction history for a very long time.

[cAPSLOCK]

Optional Fungability will never keep you safe.

I hear this a lot but it's an absolutely unsubstantiated claim.

We have several other strong privacy coins which, unlike Monero, have never been severely broken.
Remember that before the last network update most transactions are able to be linked and traced. The issues may have been fixed for new transactions but it leaves a big fat scar on the reputation of Monero and it's users over the past years are still at risk from their past transactions. Or as Spagni likes to say to discredit privacy altcoins "lives could be at stake here."

Take ZCash, Dash or Pivx. They may not be private by default, but none of their private transactions have ever been linked or or traced.
It would seem mandatory fungibility didn't help Monero one bit in the past.

Spagni also commented that some of the problems in the protocol are impossible to solve, this is just unacceptable if you want to be safe, we need to think of other methods to actually make it secure and not have stuff in there that 'is safe, for now...' while keeping in mind that the blockchain will remember our transaction history for a very long time.

Contrarian indicator in.

[Febo]

Optional Fungability will never keep you safe.

I hear this a lot but it's an absolutely unsubstantiated claim.

We have several other strong privacy coins which, unlike Monero, have never been severely broken.
Remember that before the last network update most transactions are able to be linked and traced. The issues may have been fixed for new transactions but it leaves a big fat scar on the reputation of Monero and it's users over the past years are still at risk from their past transactions. Or as Spagni likes to say to discredit privacy altcoins "lives could be at stake here."

Take ZCash, Dash or Pivx. They may not be private by default, but none of their private transactions have ever been linked or or traced.
It would seem mandatory fungibility didn't help Monero one bit in the past.

There are many papers claiming that optional private transactions cant make coin fungible.

I do not believe there was anyone that broke Monero privacy. If you know anyone I can make an transaction that he will unveil and made it transparent for everyone to see.  I do believe  this is impossible since theory says so.


On other hand theory and researches claim the opposite for the other coins you mention and main reason is their optional privacy.  You need to understand that blockchain analysis will improve with huge leaps and soon many will be able to prove this theory with a click.   Monero also had optional privacy until 2016. Luckily blockchain analysis was not so advanced back then to worry anyone.

[cryptokwuk]

Optional Fungability will never keep you safe.

I hear this a lot but it's an absolutely unsubstantiated claim.

We have several other strong privacy coins which, unlike Monero, have never been severely broken.
Remember that before the last network update most transactions are able to be linked and traced. The issues may have been fixed for new transactions but it leaves a big fat scar on the reputation of Monero and it's users over the past years are still at risk from their past transactions. Or as Spagni likes to say to discredit privacy altcoins "lives could be at stake here."

Take ZCash, Dash or Pivx. They may not be private by default, but none of their private transactions have ever been linked or or traced.
It would seem mandatory fungibility didn't help Monero one bit in the past.

There are many papers claiming that optional private transactions cant make coin fungible.

I do not believe there was anyone that broke Monero privacy. If you know anyone I can make an transaction that he will unveil and made it transparent for everyone to see.  I do believe  this is impossible since theory says so.


On other hand theory and researches claim the opposite for the other coins you mention and main reason is their optional privacy.  You need to understand that blockchain analysis will improve with huge leaps and soon many will be able to prove this theory with a click.   Monero also had optional privacy until 2016. Luckily blockchain analysis was not so advanced back then to worry anyone.

That's a good joke... https://arxiv.org/pdf/1704.04299/
I recommend you read it thoroughly, because the implications are quite serious. Much of it has recently been improved upon, but the issues are not completely resolved and implications of transactions up to 2017 will haunt users for a long time i suspect...

[XMR2020]

Optional Fungability will never keep you safe.

I hear this a lot but it's an absolutely unsubstantiated claim.

We have several other strong privacy coins which, unlike Monero, have never been severely broken.
Remember that before the last network update most transactions are able to be linked and traced. The issues may have been fixed for new transactions but it leaves a big fat scar on the reputation of Monero and it's users over the past years are still at risk from their past transactions. Or as Spagni likes to say to discredit privacy altcoins "lives could be at stake here."

Take ZCash, Dash or Pivx. They may not be private by default, but none of their private transactions have ever been linked or or traced.
It would seem mandatory fungibility didn't help Monero one bit in the past.

There are many papers claiming that optional private transactions cant make coin fungible.

I do not believe there was anyone that broke Monero privacy. If you know anyone I can make an transaction that he will unveil and made it transparent for everyone to see.  I do believe  this is impossible since theory says so.


On other hand theory and researches claim the opposite for the other coins you mention and main reason is their optional privacy.  You need to understand that blockchain analysis will improve with huge leaps and soon many will be able to prove this theory with a click.   Monero also had optional privacy until 2016. Luckily blockchain analysis was not so advanced back then to worry anyone.

That's a good joke... https://arxiv.org/pdf/1704.04299/
I recommend you read it thoroughly, because the implications are quite serious. Much of it has recently been improved upon, but the issues are not completely resolved and implications of transactions up to 2017 will haunt users for a long time i suspect...

You short bro  Like clock work, he shows up when the sellers are getting exhausted and we are about to reverse. The bottom is near.

My favorite aspect of this particular troll is the obvious naming scheme for his sock puppets. Doesn't have an ounce of creativity. At least this troll speaks native English so he spouts grammatically correct non-sense. I find the ESL trolls a bit sad.

[smooth]

Take ZCash, Dash or Pivx. They may not be private by default, but none of their private transactions have ever been linked or or traced.

lolz

http://zcashlink.com
https://smeiklej.com/files/usenix18.pdf
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1709.02489.pdf

[cryptokwuk]

Take ZCash, Dash or Pivx. They may not be private by default, but none of their private transactions have ever been linked or or traced.

lolz

http://zcashlink.com
https://smeiklej.com/files/usenix18.pdf
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1709.02489.pdf

Right, i dont't know about ZCash, but the one about Dash has been thoroughly debunked and has not been shown to work on the real network and most likely doesn't.

[smooth]

Take ZCash, Dash or Pivx. They may not be private by default, but none of their private transactions have ever been linked or or traced.

lolz

http://zcashlink.com
https://smeiklej.com/files/usenix18.pdf
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1709.02489.pdf

Right, i dont't know about ZCash, but the one about Dash has been thoroughly debunked and has not been shown to work on the real network and most likely doesn't.

"thoroughly debunked"

Please show a similarly serious and rigorous scientific paper which does so. If not then it is just a bunch of nonsense shilling from bag holders. Indeed I remember seeing a comment from an actual Dash developer (not idiot community shills) stating that it was in fact a valid attack.

All of the above basically devolve to the same overall flaw and methods which is optional privacy not working because of too little usage in practice and information leakage from the transparent transactions leaking into the private ones. They apply to any coin with a similar approach, including small ones that nobody bothers writing papers about.