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May 10, 2011, 03:34:03 PM
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Are there any pools that divide the earnings evenlly among all participants regardless of amount of computing power contributed?

That's not a communist pool. That's an association. A coop. A few guys with an agenda. A backup plan. Homebase. A place to rest before starting out again. Jesus, what kinda mindjob are you trying to pull here? You think communists thought of those ideas first? It doesn't need to be labelled as anything philosophical or political. It's a way to give people a boost. Also that's what you call a family by the way. Equal distribution in a family is a great way to firewall the insane dynamics of the outside world, you know for survival.

Protip: You don't need to go on a crusade in order to accomplish something intelligent.

Proposal: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=11541.msg162881#msg162881
Inception: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/296
Goal: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=12536.0
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May 10, 2011, 08:44:53 PM
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There are no good examples of state-run ANYTHING

A-MEN brotha.

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May 10, 2011, 09:03:51 PM
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The problem with communism is there's no incentive to work.
Communism gives communism a bad name.

The problem with posting philosophy on the Internet is that...

I DON'T NEED AN INCENTIVE TO WORK.

I have plenty of things I'll pay to be allowed to do.

Proposal: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=11541.msg162881#msg162881
Inception: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/296
Goal: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=12536.0
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May 10, 2011, 09:21:41 PM
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The problem with communism is there's no incentive to work.
Communism gives communism a bad name.

The problem with posting philosophy on the Internet is that...

I DON'T NEED AN INCENTIVE TO WORK.

I have plenty of things I'll pay to be allowed to do.
Ok then, it's settled.

I'll start a communistic pool with a pentium 3.
You join with all your video cards.

We split 50/50.

Sound good?  Cheesy
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May 10, 2011, 09:26:57 PM
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No communist state ever existed is a good example of that. There were never good examples and there are not even today (and I can assure you everything beyond that is a matter of propaganda, much more vigilant than you can imagine). Communism is flawed beyond redesign. Well, I guess all the leftist guys that never ever lived through that deserve to do so and see for themselves how this works (bad thing is that even if you reconsider your position, they usually shoot at you at the border if you try to escape that utopia).

This does not necessarily mean that the communist system does not have advantages - oh yes, it DOES have many, like e.g. the better education system (I really mean that). Or like that risk elimination which can be in fact much better for people that don't like taking initiatives.

Overall though it's wicked, it's anti-human and not natural and no wonder why it has collapsed. BTW I don't understand why you claim that the USSR implementation was bad - it was good in a sense that it was self-sustaining for a long period of time. The Latin American experiments would definitely not last that much.
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May 10, 2011, 09:47:05 PM
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What percentage of the would be miners out there have access to only low end GPUs or even CPUs?

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May 10, 2011, 10:21:55 PM
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The problem with communism is there's no incentive to work.
Communism gives communism a bad name.

The problem with posting philosophy on the Internet is that...

I DON'T NEED AN INCENTIVE TO WORK.

I have plenty of things I'll pay to be allowed to do.
Ok then, it's settled.

I'll start a communistic pool with a pentium 3.
You join with all your video cards.

We split 50/50.

Sound good?  Cheesy

Make it dynamic. You handle leaflets, I'll create the software. Only all I got is a shitty laptop. But cool for starters.

Proposal: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=11541.msg162881#msg162881
Inception: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/296
Goal: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=12536.0
Means: Code, donations, and brutal criticism. I've got a thick skin. 1Gc3xCHAzwvTDnyMW3evBBr5qNRDN3DRpq
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May 10, 2011, 10:29:18 PM
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The problem with communism is there's no incentive to work.
Communism gives communism a bad name.

The problem with posting philosophy on the Internet is that...

I DON'T NEED AN INCENTIVE TO WORK.

I have plenty of things I'll pay to be allowed to do.
Ok then, it's settled.

I'll start a communistic pool with a pentium 3.
You join with all your video cards.

We split 50/50.

Sound good?  Cheesy

Make it dynamic. You handle leaflets, I'll create the software. Only all I got is a shitty laptop. But cool for starters.
Lol, let's do it.

I'll make it as happy-sounding as possible.

"Join the communist bitpool TODAY!"
"Get YOUR FAIR SHARE of everything that is mined!"
"Help your neighbor when he's down, and he'll help you when you're down!"
"Donate a gigahash or three, and help people who don't have access to the kind of hardware you do!"

Etc, etc.  Tongue
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May 10, 2011, 11:24:28 PM
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Make it dynamic. You handle leaflets, I'll create the software. Only all I got is a shitty laptop. But cool for starters.
Lol, let's do it.

I'll make it as happy-sounding as possible.

"Join the communist bitpool TODAY!"
"Get YOUR FAIR SHARE of everything that is mined!"
"Help your neighbor when he's down, and he'll help you when you're down!"
"Donate a gigahash or three, and help people who don't have access to the kind of hardware you do!"

Etc, etc.  Tongue

Heck, I'd pay a few bitcoins for well-designed Soviet-style posters with these slogans on them Smiley
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May 10, 2011, 11:29:24 PM
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Make it dynamic. You handle leaflets, I'll create the software. Only all I got is a shitty laptop. But cool for starters.
Lol, let's do it.

I'll make it as happy-sounding as possible.

"Join the communist bitpool TODAY!"
"Get YOUR FAIR SHARE of everything that is mined!"
"Help your neighbor when he's down, and he'll help you when you're down!"
"Donate a gigahash or three, and help people who don't have access to the kind of hardware you do!"

Etc, etc.  Tongue

Heck, I'd pay a few bitcoins for well-designed Soviet-style posters with these slogans on them Smiley
I'll see what I can do.

EDIT:  Will this do?  Tongue  (NOTE:  I didn't create it, don't pay me bitcoins)


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May 11, 2011, 04:57:23 AM
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Just out of curiosity, is there anyone here who would actually donate mining power to a collectivized pool just for the sake of being generous?

The problem is, even if there are enough people willing to act so altruistically, there are also plenty of people who aren't. So a mining "commune" would need some way to exclude people who don't contribute. Which will inevitably end up looking like "to each according to his contribution, from each according to his willingness to compensate". In other words, a meritocratic market arrangement. And that's what happens to successful* communes, just about every time. They adopt market exchange, and then are no longer communes.

*This is not counting the examples of short-lived successful communes, which burned like bonfires for a while, and then disappeared - such as the early Christians, the German Anabaptists, and a few other religious communities that existed in Colonial America.

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May 11, 2011, 06:14:06 AM
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Just out of curiosity, is there anyone here who would actually donate mining power to a collectivized pool just for the sake of being generous?

The problem is, even if there are enough people willing to act so altruistically, there are also plenty of people who aren't. So a mining "commune" would need some way to exclude people who don't contribute. Which will inevitably end up looking like "to each according to his contribution, from each according to his willingness to compensate". In other words, a meritocratic market arrangement. And that's what happens to successful* communes, just about every time. They adopt market exchange, and then are no longer communes.

*This is not counting the examples of short-lived successful communes, which burned like bonfires for a while, and then disappeared - such as the early Christians, the German Anabaptists, and a few other religious communities that existed in Colonial America.
If you're going to create a commune, then you HAVE to allow the freeloaders.  There's no other way to work it.
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May 11, 2011, 06:59:15 AM
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Heck, I'd pay a few bitcoins for well-designed Soviet-style posters with these slogans on them Smiley

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May 11, 2011, 01:07:49 PM
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The problem with communism is there's no incentive to work.
Communism gives communism a bad name.

The problem with posting philosophy on the Internet is that...

I DON'T NEED AN INCENTIVE TO WORK.

I have plenty of things I'll pay to be allowed to do.
Ok then, it's settled.

I'll start a communistic pool with a pentium 3.
You join with all your video cards.

We split 50/50.

Sound good?  Cheesy

Make it dynamic. You handle leaflets, I'll create the software. Only all I got is a shitty laptop. But cool for starters.
Lol, let's do it.

I'll make it as happy-sounding as possible.

"Join the communist bitpool TODAY!"
"Get YOUR FAIR SHARE of everything that is mined!"
"Help your neighbor when he's down, and he'll help you when you're down!"
"Donate a gigahash or three, and help people who don't have access to the kind of hardware you do!"

Etc, etc.  Tongue

LOL. Half seriously though, without the hypocritical Harrison Bergeron fantasies commies and fascists have, I'd be interested in a mass donations system.

Proposal: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=11541.msg162881#msg162881
Inception: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/296
Goal: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=12536.0
Means: Code, donations, and brutal criticism. I've got a thick skin. 1Gc3xCHAzwvTDnyMW3evBBr5qNRDN3DRpq
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May 11, 2011, 02:33:24 PM
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Heck, I'd pay a few bitcoins for well-designed Soviet-style posters with these slogans on them Smiley


Awesome! Print that at 11x17 and you got yourself a deal Smiley
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May 11, 2011, 04:19:15 PM
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Saying communism would work if people weren't so greedy is like saying painting everything the color of baby shit would work if everyone were blind or that a boat with a hole in it would work if water was thicker. Develop a system that compliments human nature or you didn't really develop a system.
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May 11, 2011, 05:45:35 PM
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LOL. Half seriously though, without the hypocritical Harrison Bergeron fantasies commies and fascists have, I'd be interested in a mass donations system.

Use the Eligius pool with all the same address for who/what you want to donate to.
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May 11, 2011, 09:31:58 PM
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Just out of curiosity, is there anyone here who would actually donate mining power to a collectivized pool just for the sake of being generous?

The problem is, even if there are enough people willing to act so altruistically, there are also plenty of people who aren't. So a mining "commune" would need some way to exclude people who don't contribute. Which will inevitably end up looking like "to each according to his contribution, from each according to his willingness to compensate".

First, yes I would. Mass donation system coming.

Second, deadline. Return unused coin in percentage donated * who came up with the best ideas.

The problem with communism is that the hegelian mindfuck they pull comes before usage. I say we put it in the refund portion see how they like.

Proposal: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=11541.msg162881#msg162881
Inception: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/296
Goal: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=12536.0
Means: Code, donations, and brutal criticism. I've got a thick skin. 1Gc3xCHAzwvTDnyMW3evBBr5qNRDN3DRpq
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May 11, 2011, 11:30:40 PM
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Saying communism would work if people weren't so greedy is like saying painting everything the color of baby shit would work if everyone were blind or that a boat with a hole in it would work if water was thicker. Develop a system that compliments human nature or you didn't really develop a system.
Actually, there're enough decent people in the world to make communism work, but shame they're not hypocritical enough to make it to a political seat.

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May 12, 2011, 04:03:06 PM
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Saying communism would work if people weren't so greedy is like saying painting everything the color of baby shit would work if everyone were blind or that a boat with a hole in it would work if water was thicker. Develop a system that compliments human nature or you didn't really develop a system.
Actually, there're enough decent people in the world to make communism work, but shame they're not hypocritical enough to make it to a political seat.

The only political system that works is the one that exists as a conference and all power vanishes after the conference is over. Limit 30 days a year. The power goes back to the people to exercise the laws and means themselves.

Proposal: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=11541.msg162881#msg162881
Inception: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/296
Goal: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=12536.0
Means: Code, donations, and brutal criticism. I've got a thick skin. 1Gc3xCHAzwvTDnyMW3evBBr5qNRDN3DRpq
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