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April 08, 2012, 01:03:20 AM
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Is there any chance that these can be reconfigured to do something else than btc mining,  can they at least be used for sha cracking ?
They say that it will be the same setup as a single so just as they advertise that for the single I imagine it will be the same case here.  Although, I don't think they have release the software yet to use them for something other than mining.

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April 08, 2012, 01:58:14 AM
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Why aren't you accepting Bitcoin as a valid payment method ?

Bitcoin has recently been added as a payment option for purchase of the Singles.  We're currently working to add it as a payment method for the Mini Rig in the next several days.


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April 08, 2012, 04:05:52 AM
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Antirack, just to clarify...  there are 18 cards in the unit as shipped.  The illustration above shows 24 cards in order to demonstrate the arrangement.

doing the math i take the 25.2 Ghash/s (from BFL's website on the product page) divided by 18 cards gives 1,400 Ghash/s per card.  something can't be right there.
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April 08, 2012, 07:08:22 AM
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Is there any chance that these can be reconfigured to do something else than btc mining,  can they at least be used for sha cracking ?
They say that it will be the same setup as a single so just as they advertise that for the single I imagine it will be the same case here.  Although, I don't think they have release the software yet to use them for something other than mining.
If releasing a software is all what is needed I'd feel much safer from a algo change.
I guess it depend on the number of pin used and the nature of the new algo.

I'm bothering to ask because your website show these other uses, (linking to self, BTW this is annoying)
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Computational research
Medical imaging
Packet integrity verification
Generic fingerprinting engine
Block mining (2 step SHA256)

Is it realist to think this would possible on current BFL products ? (given softwares are made)
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April 08, 2012, 07:23:03 AM
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I'm bothering to ask because your website show these other uses, (linking to self, BTW this is annoying)
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Computational research
Medical imaging
Packet integrity verification
Generic fingerprinting engine
Block mining (2 step SHA256)

Is it realist to think this would possible on current BFL products ? (given softwares are made)

I too find this quite neat. I can 'download' the other drivers, for other uses. It's been like that since before the Singles were out, and are largely why I didn't think BFL was legit.


Sorry for being a bit off topic, back on topic:

25000 / 18 = 1388.88 m/hash a unit.

Even at max capacity (24)

25000 / 24 = 1041 m/hash each.

Back to those crazy numbers again BFL? Honestly, I think that large of a jump in hashing is a bit high, even with a different chip than the current design.

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April 08, 2012, 07:29:40 AM
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Sorry for being a bit off topic, back on topic:

25000 / 18 = 1388.88 m/hash a unit.

Even at max capacity (24)

25000 / 24 = 1041 m/hash each.

Back to those crazy numbers again BFL? Honestly, I think that large of a jump in hashing is a bit high, even with a different chip than the current design.
May be they are switching to a Hardcopy solution.

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April 08, 2012, 10:47:39 AM
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I too find this quite neat. I can 'download' the other drivers, for other uses. It's been like that since before the Singles were out, and are largely why I didn't think BFL was legit.


Sorry for being a bit off topic, back on topic:

25000 / 18 = 1388.88 m/hash a unit.

Even at max capacity (24)

25000 / 24 = 1041 m/hash each.

Back to those crazy numbers again BFL? Honestly, I think that large of a jump in hashing is a bit high, even with a different chip than the current design.

It's much more likely they are quoting the maximum hash rate of the box with all 24 modules installed. Going from 832 MH/s to 1041 is certainly believable if they are changing to a newer chip.
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April 08, 2012, 12:49:11 PM
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I too find this quite neat. I can 'download' the other drivers, for other uses. It's been like that since before the Singles were out, and are largely why I didn't think BFL was legit.


Sorry for being a bit off topic, back on topic:

25000 / 18 = 1388.88 m/hash a unit.

Even at max capacity (24)

25000 / 24 = 1041 m/hash each.

Back to those crazy numbers again BFL? Honestly, I think that large of a jump in hashing is a bit high, even with a different chip than the current design.

It's much more likely they are quoting the maximum hash rate of the box with all 24 modules installed. Going from 832 MH/s to 1041 is certainly believable if they are changing to a newer chip.

If this is true, unlikely, it would be misleading and anger some people. 

@ BFL.  Can you confirm the performance with standard configuration of 18 boards per Mini Rig?



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April 08, 2012, 01:17:12 PM
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@ BFL.  Can you confirm the performance with standard configuration of 18 boards per Mini Rig?

The base configuration of the Mini Rig has 18 card slots occupied and performs at 25 gh/s.

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April 08, 2012, 01:46:40 PM
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So the new Single will do approximately 1400 mhash/s using 2 chips so that is 700 mhash/s per chip ?

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April 08, 2012, 02:16:38 PM
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So the new Single will do approximately 1400 mhash/s using 2 chips so that is 700 mhash/s per chip ?

At less than 34.7 Watt per chip (1250/18/2), or 69.44 Watt per single (minus power consumption of fans and LCD).

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April 08, 2012, 02:28:53 PM
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>So the new Single will do approximately 1400 mhash/s using 2 chips so that is 700 mhash/s per chip ?


There is no new single.  All production of these processors will be dedicated to our Mini Rig product exclusively.

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April 08, 2012, 02:31:46 PM
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The base configuration of the Mini Rig has 18 card slots occupied and performs at 25 gh/s.

I hope BFL gives the new Single a new name like the "Double" or something. You can't tell when you order which version you will get currently.
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April 08, 2012, 02:58:04 PM
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The base configuration of the Mini Rig has 18 card slots occupied and performs at 25 gh/s.

I hope BFL gives the new Single a new name like the "Double" or something. You can't tell when you order which version you will get currently.

LOL  Smiley do people ever read what is replied ? Just above it says There is no new single.  All production of these processors will be dedicated to our Mini Rig product exclusively.
And now you ask what the new Single will be called ?  Huh
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April 08, 2012, 02:58:39 PM
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LOL  Smiley do people ever ready what is replied ? Just above it says There is no new single.  All production of these processors will be dedicated to our Mini Rig product exclusively.
And now you ask what the new Single will be called ?  Huh


Vapor? - Do you realize I wrote this message before BFL posted that message?
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April 08, 2012, 03:17:52 PM
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All production of these processors will be dedicated to our Mini Rig product exclusively.

Why? I'd sure buy a couple of those new tech singles. I've already sent you $17k once.
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April 08, 2012, 03:19:01 PM
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Why not ?
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April 08, 2012, 03:21:06 PM
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Because it makes no business sense to sell an outdated product while you already have a better one that does exactly the same but, uhm, better?

And at the cost of manufacturing two different products while you could manufacture only one?

And the need to source two different "processors" while you could source only one?

Do I need to go on?
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April 08, 2012, 03:23:39 PM
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Why would they?

A Mini-rig is simply 18 "new singles" (yeah BFL doesn't like that term but regardless it is 18 new boards).  They obviously have limits on production (has anyone yet gotten an order in 4-6 weeks? anyone?).  Given that they can sell everything they can make (and then some) why would they want to sell single units when they can sell them in batches of 18.  Fewer, larger orders are easier to handle especially when production constrained.

IF you makes it easier don't think of it as a mini-rig.  Think of 1 order as 18 boards.  You can get as many as you want with the caveat that you must buy at least 18 and all orders must be in increments of 18 units.  My guess is that if there is enough demand someone could buy a mini-rig and split it out to 18 individual boards. Smiley
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April 08, 2012, 03:53:29 PM
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All production of these processors will be dedicated to our Mini Rig product exclusively.

Why? I'd sure buy a couple of those new tech singles. I've already sent you $17k once.


The biggest difference is lead time.  We've ramped up production of the Single and are now shipping in volume.  The Mini Rig platform has a longer lead time because of it's processor manufacture constraints.  If you're making a longer term investment on a larger scale, the Mini Rig may make much more sense because of the long term value of it's cost efficiency.  If you're looking to make a more casual investment and get started more quickly, the single may be more attractive.  It's up to the consumer of course, but our reason for keeping the products separate is in production streamlining.

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