Who now owns Bitcoin.com ?

[bbit]

I know tradehill had to cough it up due to its financial losses with Dwolla so who now owns the domain?

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[rjk]

I know tradehill had to cough it up due to its financial losses with Dwolla so who know owns the domain?

Tradehill had control of the domain contingent to their having a running exchange. When the exchange shut down, they lost the right to use the domain. The domain is privately registered, and Tradehill has stated that they wish to maintain the actual owner's privacy in the listing. They have additionally stated that it is being developed, and isn't just stagnating.

[FreeMoney]

Ben Milne is Satoshi and controls the relevant domain.

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Ben Milne is Satoshi and controls the relevant domain.

I'm a bit slow today, dwolla put tradehill out of business to get control of bitcoin.com? is that what you are saying


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[Yankee (BitInstant)]

Ben Milne is Satoshi and controls the relevant domain.

I'm a bit slow today, dwolla put tradehill out of business to get control of bitcoin.com? is that what you are saying

No, thats idiotic  

I know tradehill had to cough it up due to its financial losses with Dwolla so who know owns the domain?

Tradehill had control of the domain contingent to their having a running exchange. When the exchange shut down, they lost the right to use the domain. The domain is privately registered, and Tradehill has stated that they wish to maintain the actual owner's privacy in the listing. They have additionally stated that it is being developed, and isn't just stagnating.

The owner of the domain has an agreement with Jered of TradeHill to use the domain, but he is not the only one working on it...all I can say

[finway]

I want to know, too.

[splatster]

Ben Milne is Satoshi and controls the relevant domain.

I'm a bit slow today, dwolla put tradehill out of business to get control of bitcoin.com? is that what you are saying

No, thats idiotic  

I know tradehill had to cough it up due to its financial losses with Dwolla so who know owns the domain?

Tradehill had control of the domain contingent to their having a running exchange. When the exchange shut down, they lost the right to use the domain. The domain is privately registered, and Tradehill has stated that they wish to maintain the actual owner's privacy in the listing. They have additionally stated that it is being developed, and isn't just stagnating.

The owner of the domain has an agreement with Jered of TradeHill to use the domain, but he is not the only one working on it...all I can say

Secrecy doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

[evoorhees]

Ben Milne is Satoshi and controls the relevant domain.

I'm a bit slow today, dwolla put tradehill out of business to get control of bitcoin.com? is that what you are saying

No, thats idiotic  

I know tradehill had to cough it up due to its financial losses with Dwolla so who know owns the domain?

Tradehill had control of the domain contingent to their having a running exchange. When the exchange shut down, they lost the right to use the domain. The domain is privately registered, and Tradehill has stated that they wish to maintain the actual owner's privacy in the listing. They have additionally stated that it is being developed, and isn't just stagnating.

The owner of the domain has an agreement with Jered of TradeHill to use the domain, but he is not the only one working on it...all I can say

Secrecy doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

Do you use that same line on your first dates with women to get them in bed?

[splatster]

Ben Milne is Satoshi and controls the relevant domain.

I'm a bit slow today, dwolla put tradehill out of business to get control of bitcoin.com? is that what you are saying

No, thats idiotic  

I know tradehill had to cough it up due to its financial losses with Dwolla so who know owns the domain?

Tradehill had control of the domain contingent to their having a running exchange. When the exchange shut down, they lost the right to use the domain. The domain is privately registered, and Tradehill has stated that they wish to maintain the actual owner's privacy in the listing. They have additionally stated that it is being developed, and isn't just stagnating.

The owner of the domain has an agreement with Jered of TradeHill to use the domain, but he is not the only one working on it...all I can say

Secrecy doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

Do you use that same line on your first dates with women to get them in bed?

Nope, sorry.

What is worrying is that we have no idea who is working on whatever will be the eventual site at bitcoin.com.  It could be Mt. Gox doing the same thing that TradHill did.  It could be PayPal taking over bitcoin.  It could simply be Gavin making a less-techy version of bitcoin.org.  It could be anything, but the bottom line is that we don't know what it is.  That lack of knowledge is worrying.

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

Ben Milne is Satoshi and controls the relevant domain.

I'm a bit slow today, dwolla put tradehill out of business to get control of bitcoin.com? is that what you are saying

No, thats idiotic  

I know tradehill had to cough it up due to its financial losses with Dwolla so who know owns the domain?

Tradehill had control of the domain contingent to their having a running exchange. When the exchange shut down, they lost the right to use the domain. The domain is privately registered, and Tradehill has stated that they wish to maintain the actual owner's privacy in the listing. They have additionally stated that it is being developed, and isn't just stagnating.

The owner of the domain has an agreement with Jered of TradeHill to use the domain, but he is not the only one working on it...all I can say

Secrecy doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

LOL

I'm not trying to inspire confidence, just trying to not get sued since Im under NDA  

I can tell you, whoever owns it has BIG plans for it, so no worries!

[splatster]

Ben Milne is Satoshi and controls the relevant domain.

I'm a bit slow today, dwolla put tradehill out of business to get control of bitcoin.com? is that what you are saying

No, thats idiotic  

I know tradehill had to cough it up due to its financial losses with Dwolla so who know owns the domain?

Tradehill had control of the domain contingent to their having a running exchange. When the exchange shut down, they lost the right to use the domain. The domain is privately registered, and Tradehill has stated that they wish to maintain the actual owner's privacy in the listing. They have additionally stated that it is being developed, and isn't just stagnating.

The owner of the domain has an agreement with Jered of TradeHill to use the domain, but he is not the only one working on it...all I can say

Secrecy doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

LOL

I'm not trying to inspire confidence, just trying to not get sued since Im under NDA  

I can tell you, whoever owns it has BIG plans for it, so no worries!

We've all signed NDAs before, and we all know there is a certain gray area where you could hint at something.

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

Ben Milne is Satoshi and controls the relevant domain.

I'm a bit slow today, dwolla put tradehill out of business to get control of bitcoin.com? is that what you are saying

No, thats idiotic  

I know tradehill had to cough it up due to its financial losses with Dwolla so who know owns the domain?

Tradehill had control of the domain contingent to their having a running exchange. When the exchange shut down, they lost the right to use the domain. The domain is privately registered, and Tradehill has stated that they wish to maintain the actual owner's privacy in the listing. They have additionally stated that it is being developed, and isn't just stagnating.

The owner of the domain has an agreement with Jered of TradeHill to use the domain, but he is not the only one working on it...all I can say

Secrecy doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

LOL

I'm not trying to inspire confidence, just trying to not get sued since Im under NDA  

I can tell you, whoever owns it has BIG plans for it, so no worries!

We've all signed NDAs before, and we all know there is a certain gray area where you could hint at something.

True, havent I hinted enough?

[splatster]

Ben Milne is Satoshi and controls the relevant domain.

I'm a bit slow today, dwolla put tradehill out of business to get control of bitcoin.com? is that what you are saying

No, thats idiotic  

I know tradehill had to cough it up due to its financial losses with Dwolla so who know owns the domain?

Tradehill had control of the domain contingent to their having a running exchange. When the exchange shut down, they lost the right to use the domain. The domain is privately registered, and Tradehill has stated that they wish to maintain the actual owner's privacy in the listing. They have additionally stated that it is being developed, and isn't just stagnating.

The owner of the domain has an agreement with Jered of TradeHill to use the domain, but he is not the only one working on it...all I can say

Secrecy doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

LOL

I'm not trying to inspire confidence, just trying to not get sued since Im under NDA  

I can tell you, whoever owns it has BIG plans for it, so no worries!

We've all signed NDAs before, and we all know there is a certain gray area where you could hint at something.

True, havent I hinted enough?

There is no such thing as too many hints.

[cbeast]

It's owned by someone with a vested interest in the success of Bitcoin. That's good enough for me.

[Narydu]

Sorry just created a new thread but I guess this is were to keep talking so please delete the former one. (WOW ALREADY DONE, THANK YOU MAGED)

Upto my last knowledge Jered was still on the bitcoin.com proyect (thow the "use agreement, only while TH was functioning", I doubt). I know the proyects to be done on it, but wanted to know if they are still working on them or passed the domain to bitcoin.org foundation. Either case I think that pointing the domain to bitcoin.org is a loyable action.

[gwern]

So, it's been a year and a half. What happened to these 'big plans'? All I see is an affiliate marketer's landing page picking up fees from Coinbase. Nice business, but not necessarily good for Bitcoin.

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

So, it's been a year and a half. What happened to these 'big plans'? All I see is an affiliate marketer's landing page picking up fees from Coinbase. Nice business, but not necessarily good for Bitcoin.

Myself and a few others have offered the owner alot of money and/or involvement in whatever we're gonna do with it, but he turned it down.

I'm not confident anymore the owner is vested in the long term success of Bitcoin.

[QuestionAuthority]

So, it's been a year and a half. What happened to these 'big plans'? All I see is an affiliate marketer's landing page picking up fees from Coinbase. Nice business, but not necessarily good for Bitcoin.

Myself and a few others have offered the owner alot of money and/or involvement in whatever we're gonna do with it, but he turned it down.

I'm not confident anymore the owner is vested in the long term success of Bitcoin.

Hi Charlie, I haven't seen you post in a while! I thought you were too good for us peons now.  When you say "the owner" are you talking about Jered? I thought Jered owned it.

[NeverLoseVision]

Such an incredible domain asset, very interesting.

Well, I suppose that leaves the door wide open for new opportunities for startups like "BitcoinWallet.com" and "CurrencyEvolution.com".

[Yankee (BitInstant)]

So, it's been a year and a half. What happened to these 'big plans'? All I see is an affiliate marketer's landing page picking up fees from Coinbase. Nice business, but not necessarily good for Bitcoin.

Myself and a few others have offered the owner alot of money and/or involvement in whatever we're gonna do with it, but he turned it down.

I'm not confident anymore the owner is vested in the long term success of Bitcoin.

Hi Charlie, I haven't seen you post in a while! I thought you were too good for us peons now.  When you say "the owner" are you talking about Jered? I thought Jered owned it.

Hey

I've been working to relaunch BitInstant, and as soon as we do I'll post alot more.

Jered is not the owner, he had mutual business dealings with the owner which allowed him to use the site as a landing page.

I'm kind of pissed because the owner is just 'holding' until it has more value, where using the actual domain will give Bitcoin more exposure and increase the value.

This kind of rational I dont understand.

[NeverLoseVision]

Hi Charlie, I haven't seen you post in a while! I thought you were too good for us peons now.   When you say "the owner" are you talking about Jered? I thought Jered owned it.
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Hey

I've been working to relaunch BitInstant, and as soon as we do I'll post alot more.

Jered is not the owner, he had mutual business dealings with the owner which allowed him to use the site as a landing page.

I'm kind of pissed because the owner is just 'holding' until it has more value, where using the actual domain will give Bitcoin more exposure and increase the value.

This kind of rational I dont understand.
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Charlie,

With nearly a decade of premium domain asset and intellectual property experience, perhaps I can shed some light on the situation. I have worked with millions of dollars of domains with startups, private investors, newspapers and tv-stations, publishing groups, professional athletes, and a few household names.

Although I (honestly) do not know who the actual owner is, I do know that every single negotiation and acquisition is complex, and very unique. It would be a mistake to place a "mold" or blanket statement on the owner. For example, although unlikely, this could be the only domain this individual owns. He or she wants to make sure they "time the sale" appropriately. I have heard a million times the song of "seller remorse" when upon transfer the seller says, "I left money on the table" considering the potential that unique asset has and value it will bring to the new company and their bottom line. On the other hand, the individual may be extremely experienced and wealthy through the billion dollar domain industry. There are only a few thousand people on the planet that can lend professional advice or negotiation based on a six or seven figure domain asset.

That being said, in many cases, the domain name owner simply "doesn't need the money" and is content simply gambling on the value increasing in the future. To that particular point, with Bitcoin, he/she is probably correct that the value will go up - but - that does not necessarily translate in to a higher offer from you. So, the risk to reward equation is tricky. Ultimately, in my opinion, it's always a bit more difficult to buy when the seller knows who you are and the potential ROI. It's really about opportunity cost, and the tricky equation of finding their sell-now-threshold and hot button. You also have to keep in mind taxes. While for you, you secure a tax-deductible investment, (and appreciating asset), the seller of the domain asset will have his/her profit taxed. If the money they are earning from the affiliate link and / or licensing agreement is a consistent and healthy amount, they may not see the immediate need or value proposition to "lose" the asset forever.

In some interesting cases, domain "lease agreements" have been structured for 99 years. Others have an annual decline lump-sum with a set term and first right of refusal built in. Ultimately though, it's always best to own the asset. But, unfortunately, it sounds like the owner is fat and happy and knows there are multiple interested parties.

If you're interested in discussing further, let me know. There is a chance I could be of assistance no doubt.