Guldencoin update

[veertje]

What is the added value over other crypto? Just the name?  

Take a look for yourself:

https://guldencoin.com/nl/pay-here

https://timeline.guldencoin.com/

Yes, I have not been able to figure it out.

I'm assuming it's just one of those Auroracoin shitcoins but I gave you the opportunity to give input before I use those harsh terms

This is no shitcoin at all   Team and community are very dedicated and not an anonymous dev-team. Bought Subway sandwiches with it and order my wine with Guldencoin (NLG). More and more merchants accept Guldencoin every day.

https://guldencoin.com/nl/pay-here

https://timeline.guldencoin.com/

Soon the iOS wallet funded by the community will be released:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=759915.msg8587364#msg8587364

[veertje]

I assume you pay before they pour out the coffee, otherwise it could go cold while they are waiting for enough confirmations.

nice comment,watching for next coffee with cold mug 

Payments in the stores within a few seconds all the time, my friend. Doesn't depend on the blockconfirmations at time of payment.
The Guldencoin team has thought about that 

If you want to join our forum:
http://guldencoinforum.com/index.php/topic,472.msg3560.html#new

or the ANN:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=554412.msg8586498#msg8586498

[wachtwoord]

What is the added value over other crypto? Just the name?  

Take a look for yourself:

https://guldencoin.com/nl/pay-here

https://timeline.guldencoin.com/

Yes, I have not been able to figure it out.

I'm assuming it's just one of those Auroracoin shitcoins but I gave you the opportunity to give input before I use those harsh terms

This is no shitcoin at all   Team and community are very dedicated and not an anonymous dev-team. Bought Subway sandwiches with it and order my wine with Guldencoin (NLG). More and more merchants accept Guldencoin every day.

I'm not talking about people accepting it, but merely what distinguishes this coin from Bitcoin, Litecoin, Peercoin, Monero etcetera. People accepting the coin and the dev team having value are good things to have, but that is not enough by far. The most important thing is the value proposition you bring to the table compared with your bigger brothers. If you are just a Bitcoin clone with nothing new, then yes this is a useless thing to read up on because it's destiny is predetermined.

So, what sets this coin aside or is it merely the name?

[veertje]

What is the added value over other crypto? Just the name?  

Take a look for yourself:

https://guldencoin.com/nl/pay-here

https://timeline.guldencoin.com/

Yes, I have not been able to figure it out.

I'm assuming it's just one of those Auroracoin shitcoins but I gave you the opportunity to give input before I use those harsh terms

This is no shitcoin at all   Team and community are very dedicated and not an anonymous dev-team. Bought Subway sandwiches with it and order my wine with Guldencoin (NLG). More and more merchants accept Guldencoin every day.

I'm not talking about people accepting it, but merely what distinguishes this coin from Bitcoin, Litecoin, Peercoin, Monero etcetera. People accepting the coin and the dev team having value are good things to have, but that is not enough by far. The most important thing is the value proposition you bring to the table compared with your bigger brothers. If you are just a Bitcoin clone with nothing new, then yes this is a useless thing to read up on because it's destiny is predetermined.

So, what sets this coin aside or is it merely the name?

Guldencoin is for buying things and puts that into practice. Good network buildup already, without great publicity and marketing yet. That will follow after iOS release. I hope you will read more about Guldencoin, because it is worth it. This will rock besides BTC. BTC is more of the goldstandard, NLG will be for buying with as a currency. For sure better specs for that purpose than BTC.

[veertje]

And again a new merchant: Restart Reclame 

Masterpieces in his branche, look at that portfolio:
http://www.restartreclame.nl/category/portfolio/

[Buerra]

I'm not talking about people accepting it, but merely what distinguishes this coin from Bitcoin, Litecoin, Peercoin, Monero etcetera. People accepting the coin and the dev team having value are good things to have, but that is not enough by far. The most important thing is the value proposition you bring to the table compared with your bigger brothers. If you are just a Bitcoin clone with nothing new, then yes this is a useless thing to read up on because it's destiny is predetermined.

So, what sets this coin aside or is it merely the name?

Well, where to start. Yes Guldencoin is a segway into the former currency of the Dutch. And yes that makes it easier for people to understand and to accept. It differs from Bitcoin in attitude, usability and there's an easier grasp to understanding what a Guldencoin is then to what Bitcoin is. Bitcoin is a tremendously good invention, one that will last at least forever. However, where it built an awesome system, it lacks in magic. Magic to convince non-tech-savvy or non-financial people to start using it. If accepting Guldencoin by companies doesn't impress you, why is the acceptance of Bitcoin by Dell world-news?

What has Bitcoin done the last 4 years other than trade up in monetary value, based on an anonymous coder that is rich beyond our wildest dreams because of it and like the BCT admin says "Bitcoin runs on drama" when it should run on pure hashing awesomeness. Guldencoin isn't for tech-savvy people, not even for financial whizzes. Guldencoin is used by people that don't need to know how the car works, as long as it drives. It's a payment method so fast and secure, it doesn't even need a bank or government to oversee its functions. You see, where Bitcoin is explained in terms of hash, cryptography, who the hell Satoshi is and how on earth it has the monetary value of 400-600 or 800 dollars, Guldencoin is explained as an idea, a digital commodity, used in daily life. Supported by its users. Run on an actual community that shapes, defends and supports the currency rather than pushing it to make more money, rather than becoming the evil genius fiat once was.

Guldencoin has the sweet ability to do what others don't. With simple tools, based on a simple Litecoin fork to spoon its way into the hearts of the people. It is this marketing that shapes a community so passionate it is willing to discuss with you why Bitcoin is not where it's at anymore. It's with Guldens.

Oh and just to make this more financial. See Bitcoin as a global coin to support the common thread of crypto-desire whereas Guldencoin will be the regional coin, not for The Netherlands per se, as it is accepted in Brazil, Portugal (tattoo parlour) and soon other countries as well, to support a local market. Also known as Glocalising. Or rather, think globally, act locally - http://www.projectgulden.nl/134/waarom-een-regionale-digitale-munt-als-guldencoin/. See Bitcoin as the main currency to support a world economy, which it can when value goes up as more people start using and accepting it. But with a local market to support demand and convert a fiat-system into a crypto-system. Guldencoin will not be the only regional 'coin' that will be widely accepted. We don't need to go back to country-issued-money. We will go to a system where economies are based on supply and demand. And if Guldencoin has the demand where Bitcoin does not. That is where Bitcoin has failed and Guldencoin has succeeded. As a currency.

When you said this: 

what distinguishes this coin from Bitcoin, Litecoin, Peercoin, Monero etcetera.

I laughed so hard. Because, Monero, really? Have you seen that website, or how to build your own wallet? Who does that? Cool if you think that cryptocurrency is all about tech, it's not.

[KenChanYu]

What is the added value over other crypto? Just the name? 

Take a look for yourself:

https://guldencoin.com/nl/pay-here

https://timeline.guldencoin.com/

Yes, I have not been able to figure it out.

I'm assuming it's just one of those Auroracoin shitcoins but I gave you the opportunity to give input before I use those harsh terms

Yes it is shitcoin, no ANON version121-2391-23912-391- or encrypt msg version 1299129239 or some other shit that 99.9% of the worlds population wouldn't give a fuck about.

[wachtwoord]

Thanks for you (well-intended) clarifications .

You have not changed my initial opinion (It's a LTC clone with a different name and no added value) but at least you tried and the tone stayed mostly civil. Now everyone reading this can form their own opinion.

[veertje]

Today we like to welcome again a very cool merchant:

Studio Bodymention




https://timeline.guldencoin.com/
(you can scroll and zoom on the timeline)

[Buerra]

Thanks for you (well-intended) clarifications .

You have not changed my initial opinion (It's a LTC clone with a different name and no added value) but at least you tried and the tone stayed mostly civil. Now everyone reading this can form their own opinion.

Cool. You're still approaching it from a tech-point of view. Which is one way to go, but there's more to it. Not to say that Guldencoin doesn't add new tech and dev to the cryptoworld. Where the core of the coin might not be innovating, the tools it provides over time are

Cool though, hope to see you become a supporter like a lot of other skeptics have over time.

[wachtwoord]

Thanks for you (well-intended) clarifications .

You have not changed my initial opinion (It's a LTC clone with a different name and no added value) but at least you tried and the tone stayed mostly civil. Now everyone reading this can form their own opinion.

Cool. You're still approaching it from a tech-point of view. Which is one way to go, but there's more to it. Not to say that Guldencoin doesn't add new tech and dev to the cryptoworld. Where the core of the coin might not be innovating, the tools it provides over time are

Cool though, hope to see you become a supporter like a lot of other skeptics have over time.

I decided to explain myself a little better. This is not to start a flame war of any kind so fans of this particular altcoin who aren't interested, don't waste your time in reading this.

I think I can make it most clear by responding to this (from the article you linked).

Nu wordt dat met Bitcoin ook geprobeerd op wereldwijd niveau, maar zijn er voor Bitcoin te weinig munten in omloop om wereldwijde acceptatie daadwerkelijk mogelijk te maken. Het zou kunnen als de waarde verder stijgt, maar oneindige groei bestaat niet.

This claims there aren't enough Bitcoins to go around globally. This is just silly since the allocation of fundamental units (known as Satoshis) to represent a Bitcoin is completely arbitrary and sufficient fundamental units likely exist (and if not the fundamental units will be split).

Then the quote claims the market cap of Bitcoin is insufficient for world wide trade and that the price of Bitcoin can not increase indefinitely (implying it will not increase sufficiently). The answer to that is very simple: if you think Guldencoin fixes this then sufficient value must be allocated to it's market cat. That same value (and the value of all other local coins you predict) could simply be added to Bitcoin to achieve the exact same effect. So either there is sufficient growth to achieve a sufficiently large market cap, or there is not. The existence of local coins do not change this.

Overall, I don't see any value in locally applied crypto currencies. Sending a Bitcoin to someone can be done just as fast to someone in the Netherlands as to someone in Melbourne. In fact, you won't even know where the individual or individuals controlling the private key reside. Therefore there is no added value in creating a crypto specifically for a certain region. In fact, you cannot even control it. Why would someone in Australia NOT use GuldenCoin why someone in the Netherlands would (the name? really?).

Unless you can come up with a true differentiator for requirements of a crypto in a specific region (Swiss people want anonymous features, Americans want identity tagged addresses and the Argentinians want extremely high levels of inflation) one global crypto is going to win the vast majority of all traffic while the second place is there because of some useful (not geographically related) variation on the original concept.

[pijpenstelen]

Thanks for you (well-intended) clarifications .

You have not changed my initial opinion (It's a LTC clone with a different name and no added value) but at least you tried and the tone stayed mostly civil. Now everyone reading this can form their own opinion.

Cool. You're still approaching it from a tech-point of view. Which is one way to go, but there's more to it. Not to say that Guldencoin doesn't add new tech and dev to the cryptoworld. Where the core of the coin might not be innovating, the tools it provides over time are

Cool though, hope to see you become a supporter like a lot of other skeptics have over time.

I decided to explain myself a little better. This is not to start a flame war of any kind so fans of this particular altcoin who aren't interested, don't waste your time in reading this.

I think I can make it most clear by responding to this (from the article you linked).

Nu wordt dat met Bitcoin ook geprobeerd op wereldwijd niveau, maar zijn er voor Bitcoin te weinig munten in omloop om wereldwijde acceptatie daadwerkelijk mogelijk te maken. Het zou kunnen als de waarde verder stijgt, maar oneindige groei bestaat niet.

This claims there aren't enough Bitcoins to go around globally. This is just silly since the allocation of fundamental units (known as Satoshis) to represent a Bitcoin is completely arbitrary and sufficient fundamental units likely exist (and if not the fundamental units will be split).

Then the quote claims the market cap of Bitcoin is insufficient for world wide trade and that the price of Bitcoin can not increase indefinitely (implying it will not increase sufficiently). The answer to that is very simple: if you think Guldencoin fixes this then sufficient value must be allocated to it's market cat. That same value (and the value of all other local coins you predict) could simply be added to Bitcoin to achieve the exact same effect. So either there is sufficient growth to achieve a sufficiently large market cap, or there is not. The existence of local coins do not change this.

Overall, I don't see any value in locally applied crypto currencies. Sending a Bitcoin to someone can be done just as fast to someone in the Netherlands as to someone in Melbourne. In fact, you won't even know where the individual or individuals controlling the private key reside. Therefore there is no added value in creating a crypto specifically for a certain region. In fact, you cannot even control it. Why would someone in Australia NOT use GuldenCoin why someone in the Netherlands would (the name? really?).

Unless you can come up with a true differentiator for requirements of a crypto in a specific region (Swiss people want anonymous features, Americans want identity tagged addresses and the Argentinians want extremely high levels of inflation) one global crypto is going to win the vast majority of all traffic while the second place is there because of some useful (not geographically related) variation on the original concept.

I believe you are looking at it without emotion. . The name will interest a lot of Dutch people that aren't currently cared about Cryptos and will inspire them to find out more, but I believe Guldencoin will spread to Belgium and other countries in Europe.  Just to add , iOS is available for testing, something litecoin hasn't even launched yet.

Bitcoin has had a lot of bad publicity with GOX and as a result certain individuals will be ready to keep dumping the price down. Touch wood Guldencoin won't have such problems even though I expect an exchange one day will steal coins.

http://guldenwallet.com/

[wachtwoord]

I believe you are looking at it without emotion. . The name will interest a lot of Dutch people that aren't currently cared about Cryptos and will inspire them to find out more, but I believe Guldencoin will spread to Belgium and other countries in Europe.  Just to add , iOS is available for testing, something litecoin hasn't even launched yet.

Thank you, I am

This might get them interested and some might even initially buy this, but in the final equilibrium it won't plat any role just because of a name and association with a former commodity based currency and fiat currency by the same name.

[pijpenstelen]

I believe you are looking at it without emotion. . The name will interest a lot of Dutch people that aren't currently cared about Cryptos and will inspire them to find out more, but I believe Guldencoin will spread to Belgium and other countries in Europe.  Just to add , iOS is available for testing, something litecoin hasn't even launched yet.

Thank you, I am

This might get them interested and some might even initially buy this, but in the final equilibrium it won't plat any role just because of a name and association with a former commodity based currency and fiat currency by the same name.

It all depends on adoption, if NLG creates a hub of merchants in confined areas that aren't accepting bitcoin it will create mass awareness for the coin in those areas. I am talking about offline merchants now. It's the other coins that I believe you are correct in your statements, where they are competing globally against bitcoin which I don't believe they can.

Guldencoin has one of the best chances of long term success against any altcoin imo.

[Buerra]

Sure, satoshi's exist, to divide the value. But they aren't aimed at daily use either. "That'll be 0.00040 Bitcoin please" when "That'll be 100 gulden please" would make more sense for the average person. As explained in the article I mentioned. But you can't get past the fact that it's called Guldencoin and has no other technical improvement on Litecoin, other then KGW, and that it is better at reaching people then Bitcoin.  

We've got 700 years of fiat-currency to replace with new systems and payment methods and that takes time to change in peoples minds. Guldencoin understands and achieves this better than Bitcoin, in my opinion.

Bitcoin won't see mainstream adoption like this, especially not with the general attitude people that only support Bitcoin have. It simply isn't welcoming, which is why Bitcoin is approached pretty negatively by companies and people in general. It's incredibly important that an idea, no matter what it is, is friendly. A computer back in the day was a weird ass thing to have, what could you do with it and why would you buy it? By making it friendly with improved usability, it was adopted quickly. This is no different.

Let's enjoy this iOS phase now though!

[wachtwoord]

Sure, satoshi's exist, to divide the value. But they aren't aimed at daily use either. "That'll be 0.00040 Bitcoin please" when "That'll be 100 gulden please" would make more sense for the average person. As explained in the article I mentioned. But you can't get past the fact that it's called Guldencoin and has no other technical improvement on Litecoin, other then KGW, and that it is better at reaching people then Bitcoin.  

We've got 700 years of fiat-currency to replace with new systems and payment methods and that takes time to change in peoples minds. Guldencoin understands and achieves this better than Bitcoin, in my opinion.

Bitcoin won't see mainstream adoption like this, especially not with the general attitude people that only support Bitcoin have. It simply isn't welcoming, which is why Bitcoin is approached pretty negatively by companies and people in general. It's incredibly important that an idea, no matter what it is, is friendly. A computer back in the day was a weird ass thing to have, what could you do with it and why would you buy it? By making it friendly with improved usability, it was adopted quickly. This is no different.

Let's enjoy this iOS phase now though!

It won't be "That'll be 0.00040 Bitcoin please" of course but some sort of other factor will be used. If you pay a quarter for something you don't say "that'll be $0.25 please!" You say that'll be 25 cents or that'll be a quarter. MilliBitcoin (or whatever factor makes sense based on price) works exactly the same.

I think you guys are working hard, so good luck

[veertje]

I think you guys are working hard, so good luck

Thanks Wachtwoord, BTC and NLG together will spread over the Netherlands hand in hand I should say: buy some NLG as well for your BTC now they are still cheap.

[Svener]

I think you guys are working hard, so good luck

Thanks Wachtwoord, BTC and NLG together will spread over the Netherlands hand in hand I should say: buy some NLG as well for your BTC now they are still cheap.

This is one of the reasons I have loved this coin from the start, it will work with BTC and not against it, so both will gain in value as more people adopt both coins.

[veertje]

Today registration for testing in daily live of the iOS wallet is available for Guldencoin (NLG).
From https://forum.guldencoin.com/index.php?topic=508.msg4057#new

Welcome on:
https://guldencoin.com
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=554412 and
http://guldencoinforum.com/index.php (english subforum there!)

For merchants that want to be part of this:
https://guldencoin.com/accept

https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-NLG

[Daanie]

Wish the Gulden comes back. Eventually this way