will America ever be free again?

[cinder]

will America ever return to be as it was at the beginning of the 20th century?

Ah, the good old days -- when women weren't legally allowed to vote, right? When laws were skewed to favor white, male property owners above all others? I wonder if old white men from the early 20th century fantasized about a return to the days when they could legally own slaves as well.

Exactly.

100 years ago, gay and lesbian will not come out publicly to fight for their own right. Injustice will not be publish on newspaper.

We are more free than ever comparing to the 20th century and people still complain.

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[cbeast]

will America ever return to be as it was at the beginning of the 20th century?

Ah, the good old days -- when women weren't legally allowed to vote, right? When laws were skewed to favor white, male property owners above all others? I wonder if old white men from the early 20th century fantasized about a return to the days when they could legally own slaves as well.

Exactly.

100 years ago, gay and lesbian will not come out publicly to fight for their own right. Injustice will not be publish on newspaper.

We are more free than ever comparing to the 20th century and people still complain.

120 years ago, corporations would not come out for their religious and political rights... er yeah they did. Looks like freedom was just a blip in history.

[jjacob]

will America ever return to be as it was at the beginning of the 20th century?

Ah, the good old days -- when women weren't legally allowed to vote, right? When laws were skewed to favor white, male property owners above all others? I wonder if old white men from the early 20th century fantasized about a return to the days when they could legally own slaves as well.

Exactly.

100 years ago, gay and lesbian will not come out publicly to fight for their own right. Injustice will not be publish on newspaper.

We are more free than ever comparing to the 20th century and people still complain.

We should probably think about the 17th century. No nation states. No control on immigration.

[Robert Paulson]

will America ever return to be as it was at the beginning of the 20th century?

Ah, the good old days -- when women weren't legally allowed to vote, right? When laws were skewed to favor white, male property owners above all others? I wonder if old white men from the early 20th century fantasized about a return to the days when they could legally own slaves as well.

Exactly.

100 years ago, gay and lesbian will not come out publicly to fight for their own right. Injustice will not be publish on newspaper.

We are more free than ever comparing to the 20th century and people still complain.

if a banker came to your house every day and took some of your money at gun point you'd still claim we are more free than ever?
because that's exactly what happens today, only they don't need to physically come and rob you anymore, so it doesn't feel as bad when they take your purchasing power away.

[trader001]

will America ever return to be as it was at the beginning of the 20th century?

Ah, the good old days -- when women weren't legally allowed to vote, right? When laws were skewed to favor white, male property owners above all others? I wonder if old white men from the early 20th century fantasized about a return to the days when they could legally own slaves as well.

Exactly.

100 years ago, gay and lesbian will not come out publicly to fight for their own right. Injustice will not be publish on newspaper.

We are more free than ever comparing to the 20th century and people still complain.

We should probably think about the 17th century. No nation states. No control on immigration.

Those were the good days when anyone willing to left everything behind can come and work hard in the US.

[cbeast]

will America ever return to be as it was at the beginning of the 20th century?

Ah, the good old days -- when women weren't legally allowed to vote, right? When laws were skewed to favor white, male property owners above all others? I wonder if old white men from the early 20th century fantasized about a return to the days when they could legally own slaves as well.

Exactly.

100 years ago, gay and lesbian will not come out publicly to fight for their own right. Injustice will not be publish on newspaper.

We are more free than ever comparing to the 20th century and people still complain.

We should probably think about the 17th century. No nation states. No control on immigration.

Those were the good days when anyone willing to left everything behind can come and work hard in the US.

The internet is that new land of opportunity. Leave your oppressive state and find freedom wherever it may exist for you.

[FunnyHat43]

will America ever return to be as it was at the beginning of the 20th century?

Ah, the good old days -- when women weren't legally allowed to vote, right? When laws were skewed to favor white, male property owners above all others? I wonder if old white men from the early 20th century fantasized about a return to the days when they could legally own slaves as well.

Exactly.

100 years ago, gay and lesbian will not come out publicly to fight for their own right. Injustice will not be publish on newspaper.

We are more free than ever comparing to the 20th century and people still complain.

if a banker came to your house every day and took some of your money at gun point you'd still claim we are more free than ever?
because that's exactly what happens today, only they don't need to physically come and rob you anymore, so it doesn't feel as bad when they take your purchasing power away.

They don't rob you at gunpoint. They use tools that are available to them to force you to pay them money you agreed to pay them, but now refuse to do so voluntarily.

[HarHarHar9965]

The internet is that new land of opportunity. Leave your oppressive state and find freedom wherever it may exist for you.

What do you mean exactly, in reference to the internet? I'm intrigued by your comment, but I'm feeling sort of trolled right now.

[51percemt]

The internet is that new land of opportunity. Leave your oppressive state and find freedom wherever it may exist for you.

What do you mean exactly, in reference to the internet? I'm intrigued by your comment, but I'm feeling sort of trolled right now.

I think the point is that people can post/write anything they want on the internet. They have more or less complete freedom of speech with very few exceptions.

[HarHarHar9965]

The internet is that new land of opportunity. Leave your oppressive state and find freedom wherever it may exist for you.

What do you mean exactly, in reference to the internet? I'm intrigued by your comment, but I'm feeling sort of trolled right now.

I think the point is that people can post/write anything they want on the internet. They have more or less complete freedom of speech with very few exceptions.

Yeah, well, if that's it, then woopty doo. The long arm of the US government is long.

The internet's great for many things -- and potentially it could allow people to organize to achieve great change. Unfortunately, I see people becoming only more mind numbingly ignorant even as the internet becomes more prevalent.

[Skavenger]

Not again, while it is subjected to the FIAT demon.

[Timetwister]

before 1913 there was no income tax, no central bank, and gold was money.

in 1913 the constitution was amended to allow the government to directly tax the citizens and the federal reserve was established.
for 58 years the banks printed so much money and stole so much purchasing power that America had to default on its obligation to redeem dollars for gold altogether in 1971.

and now the situation has deteriorated to the point where you have to report to the government how much you make and pay taxes even if you don't live and work in America,
simply for being a holder of an American citizenship.

not only that but the government is forcing foreign banks to spy on Americans with FATCA, so much so that some foreign banks no longer want any American customers,
because spying on them is too much hassle.

America used to stand for freedom, it was the land of opportunities and the land of the free, where government was kept in check and money was honest.
it has become but a shadow of its former self, not much better than China and Russia.

will America ever return to be as it was at the beginning of the 20th century?

It's really sad to see what has happened to the USA. But it's still a relatively free country. I would love to be a USA citizen to be able to move to New Hampshire and join the Free State Project.

Unfortunately I don't see it returning to what it was about a century ago. States become more interventionist as there's more wealth to steal.

[titulng]

hope it would be.

[Hendrick0909]

Those income tax etc made America who they are today.

[zimmah]

This is starting to sound a bit like one of those threads for people who think tax shouldn't exist at all, so I'm hoping I've got the wrong impression there.  There needs to be a balance, sure.  And at the moment, the balance is probably a little off.  But regressing back to a time where there was much less public infrastructure to support isn't going to solve any problems.  Society wouldn't function unless there's money available to pay for public services.  Go and buy a tiny island somewhere if you can't accept that.

not a single country had income tax prior to the 1900s

why do we need income tax as high as 58% in some countries now, and over 40% in most western countries?

On top of that, spending in healthcare, education and many other necessities are cut.

Every year, taxes become higher and higher, while spending becomes less and less.

The whole tax system is flawed, and the main reason is that the federal reserve prints money and loans it with interest to the government and to us. If anything, governments should print their own money or have loans without interest. Interest is what is causing all the financial problems in the world.

[zimmah]

will America ever return to be as it was at the beginning of the 20th century?

Ah, the good old days -- when women weren't legally allowed to vote, right? When laws were skewed to favor white, male property owners above all others? I wonder if old white men from the early 20th century fantasized about a return to the days when they could legally own slaves as well.

Exactly.

100 years ago, gay and lesbian will not come out publicly to fight for their own right. Injustice will not be publish on newspaper.

We are more free than ever comparing to the 20th century and people still complain.

great for the gays and lesbians, but for the regular joe we like to have some financial freedom, instead of being a wage-slave to the bankers.

100 years ago, heck even 40 years ago, it was not needed for a family to both be employed fulltime just to get by. It was normal for one of the partners (usually the female) to stay at home while the other one worked a full time job, and they had plenty of income to get by. Also they could often afford a house (or at least get an affordable loan to get a house) at young age.

Right now, most people need to have a full time job for both partners, or even a fulltime job plus a parttime job for both partners, just to get by. Houses are so expensive hardly anyone can afford them. Young people can forget about it.

But at least gay people can marry publically.

Those income tax etc made America who they are today.

a corrupt nation that steals from not only their own citizens, but the whole world?

That dictates how other countries should be governed?

That commits international crimes and gets away with it?

Great, not only do they steal from their citizens, they also abuse the money to fuck over the rest of the world.

what a nice country the US of Fucking A is.

You should feel proud of your contribution to the greatest scam country humankind has ever seen.

[Timetwister]

not a single country had income tax prior to the 1900s

why do we need income tax as high as 58% in some countries now, and over 40% in most western countries?

Of course we don't "need" that. Only parasites that work for the government, or get subsidies, need to steal money from productive people.

[yayayo]

will America ever return to be as it was at the beginning of the 20th century?

It will never be exactly the same as at the beginning of the 20th century simply because population has grown a lot and you haven't as much free space left as in the beginning.

However big improvements in regard to freedom are possible but will not come without high costs, because the existing system will not loosen its grip for power easily. I think this will only happen after a period of great crisis where large parts of the establishment are wiped out and people realize the value of freedom again.

ya.ya.yo!

[vitalemontea]

Oil has reached it's peak and population is booming as always.
System will fail within next 50 years.

[spazzdla]

There is zero chance America the Nation will be free again, now I could see a civil war and a new nation formed on the idea that was America.  It would have to be written in stone all over the country WHY a civil war was needed or we'll land right back at where we are now.

IMO a civil war won't happen either almost all western  people are super super super lazy and scared of everything.  Here we are thinking we'll win a war with Russia LMAO... we wouldn't be able to handle the loss of luxuary.