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Has SuperNET actually produced anything yet or still vapor? I'm not reading through 200 pages and the OP really needs some work...makes SuperNET look scammy...
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October 15, 2014, 12:14:55 AM |
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October 15, 2014, 12:39:43 AM |
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Has SuperNET actually produced anything yet or still vapor? I'm not reading through 200 pages and the OP really needs some work...makes SuperNET look scammy...
It's produced a few Trolls LOL. Other than that I'm afraid you'll have to read like the rest of us, its a work in progress and good work takes time. Jon  |
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October 15, 2014, 01:09:43 AM |
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Has SuperNET actually produced anything yet or still vapor? I'm not reading through 200 pages and the OP really needs some work...makes SuperNET look scammy...
The tech is still being worked on diligently. SuperNET asset holders have gotten a couple of nice dividends so far (NeoDICE and NXTinspect). For a good summary of what's been going on, you can read through the SuperNET newsletters: https://forum.thesupernet.org/index.php?board=37.0Also, all important updates and happenings seem to have been moved over to the official superNET forum. So it would be inaccurate to judge superNET based on things posted here. The newsletters are probably the best source of information as of now. |
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October 15, 2014, 01:42:04 AM |
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Has SuperNET actually produced anything yet or still vapor? I'm not reading through 200 pages and the OP really needs some work...makes SuperNET look scammy...
The tech is still being worked on diligently. SuperNET asset holders have gotten a couple of nice dividends so far (NeoDICE and NXTinspect). For a good summary of what's been going on, you can read through the SuperNET newsletters: https://forum.thesupernet.org/index.php?board=37.0Also, all important updates and happenings seem to have been moved over to the official superNET forum. So it would be inaccurate to judge superNET based on things posted here. The newsletters are probably the best source of information as of now. Thank you for saving me a significant amount of time, it's appreciated. |
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October 15, 2014, 04:19:09 AM |
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Has SuperNET actually produced anything yet or still vapor? I'm not reading through 200 pages and the OP really needs some work...makes SuperNET look scammy...
The tech is still being worked on diligently. SuperNET asset holders have gotten a couple of nice dividends so far (NeoDICE and NXTinspect). For a good summary of what's been going on, you can read through the SuperNET newsletters: https://forum.thesupernet.org/index.php?board=37.0Also, all important updates and happenings seem to have been moved over to the official superNET forum. So it would be inaccurate to judge superNET based on things posted here. The newsletters are probably the best source of information as of now. Thank you for saving me a significant amount of time, it's appreciated. why not creat qq group？ |
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October 15, 2014, 07:23:05 AM |
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Has SuperNET actually produced anything yet or still vapor? I'm not reading through 200 pages and the OP really needs some work...makes SuperNET look scammy...
https://github.com/jl777 16 hours a day of coding and testing the network. Plus all the other people who have been assisting him day in and day out. Cliff notes: A ton of code and work has been done already. |
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October 15, 2014, 08:59:20 AM |
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after doing the following API (one on each computer):
./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"requestType":"mindmeld","myname":"yourhandle","other":"otherhandle"}'
./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"requestType":"mindmeld","myname":"otherhandle","other":"yourhandle"}'
The following happens:
38 28 33 33 40
28 32 31 27 28
33 31 29 32 35
33 27 32 33 31
40 28 35 31 30
dist from privateaddr above -> bestmetric 0.632 avedist 31.8
31 28 33 33 40
28 31 31 27 28
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33 27 32 32 31
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bestaddr.3397518935526591714 bestmetric 0.632
Other pubkey.(c330e6542defef123504ebe247603008df234859ee55225d1124534462436b1b)
10694781281555936856 8894667849638377372 13434315136155299987 17572279667799017517 18429876966171494368 mytxid.7232362215934077752 othertxid.6762902089573300365 | myaddr.2834459742776037913
############# other node
28 31 28 27 28
31 35 33 32 35
28 33 40 33 40
27 32 33 35 31
28 35 40 31 34
dist from privateaddr above -> bestmetric 0.632 avedist 31.8
31 31 28 27 28
31 32 33 32 35
28 33 31 33 40
27 32 33 30 31
28 35 40 31 31
bestaddr.7112391407263245770 bestmetric 0.632
Other pubkey.(ffe89032a5d457014b02c704a7b19eede4cfce1fc83fa554f0e875098d06240f)
8894667849638377372 13434315136155299987 10694781281555936856 17572279667799017517 18429876966171494368 mytxid.6762902089573300365 othertxid.7232362215934077752 | myaddr.5558871420373351853
I am displaying the distance from the actual private address (red) in the top matrix and the distance from the deaddrop address (blue) in the bottom matrix. In DHT the distance is really the only useful information about an address. The red address is NEVER sent publicly, only the publickey is put into the cloud in a location based on the handles the two people use, so it is "published" as anybody can access them, but generally public keys are public so this is much less info than normal.
Once both sides exchange public keys, they then can encrypt and only then are the deaddrop addresses exchanged. Notice the difference in the account numbers red vs blue. what is more important is that the distance of the blue addresses from the other nodes:
31 31 30 32 31
31 32 31 30 31
as opposed to the red addresses:
38 32 29 33 30
28 35 40 35 34
Keep in mind the average distance is 31.8, so let us assume that someone the blue address is compromised. What does it divulge?
It is pretty much equal distance from all the other nodes (including the actual source and destination), so it is like camouflauge. Even if the attacker got the blue address, it certainly cant lead to the red address and it just ends up saying equal chance for any of the nodes to be yours, basically useless guessing. As the network grows, the effect becomes stronger, though finding addresses that are equidistant from a large number of addresses becomes more and more difficult so there will be an eventual cap on the anon set from this.
Notice that not only is the IP address not known, but the destination acct address is not known either, in fact there is no actual destination account, that is how I know it cant be divulged. The destination is the publickey that is generated each session (or transaction), so if there is no account, then it cant be correlated to the IP address. Even when there are a small number of nodes, there is privacy with this method and I believe that is quite unique.
This does raise the issue of spoofing, so there will need to be authentication of some public account before any transactions are done, but there is now an automatic cloud based public key exchange based on user handles, no crazy long numbers to deal with.
James
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October 15, 2014, 09:45:03 AM |
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after doing the following API (one on each computer):
./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"requestType":"mindmeld","myname":"yourhandle","other":"otherhandle"}'
./BitcoinDarkd SuperNET '{"requestType":"mindmeld","myname":"otherhandle","other":"yourhandle"}'
The following happens:
38 28 33 33 40
28 32 31 27 28
33 31 29 32 35
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dist from privateaddr above -> bestmetric 0.632 avedist 31.8
31 28 33 33 40
28 31 31 27 28
33 31 30 32 35
33 27 32 32 31
40 28 35 31 31
bestaddr.3397518935526591714 bestmetric 0.632
Other pubkey.(c330e6542defef123504ebe247603008df234859ee55225d1124534462436b1b)
10694781281555936856 8894667849638377372 13434315136155299987 17572279667799017517 18429876966171494368 mytxid.7232362215934077752 othertxid.6762902089573300365 | myaddr.2834459742776037913
############# other node
28 31 28 27 28
31 35 33 32 35
28 33 40 33 40
27 32 33 35 31
28 35 40 31 34
dist from privateaddr above -> bestmetric 0.632 avedist 31.8
31 31 28 27 28
31 32 33 32 35
28 33 31 33 40
27 32 33 30 31
28 35 40 31 31
bestaddr.7112391407263245770 bestmetric 0.632
Other pubkey.(ffe89032a5d457014b02c704a7b19eede4cfce1fc83fa554f0e875098d06240f)
8894667849638377372 13434315136155299987 10694781281555936856 17572279667799017517 18429876966171494368 mytxid.6762902089573300365 othertxid.7232362215934077752 | myaddr.5558871420373351853
I am displaying the distance from the actual private address (red) in the top matrix and the distance from the deaddrop address (blue) in the bottom matrix. In DHT the distance is really the only useful information about an address. The red address is NEVER sent publicly, only the publickey is put into the cloud in a location based on the handles the two people use, so it is "published" as anybody can access them, but generally public keys are public so this is much less info than normal.
Once both sides exchange public keys, they then can encrypt and only then are the deaddrop addresses exchanged. Notice the difference in the account numbers red vs blue. what is more important is that the distance of the blue addresses from the other nodes:
31 31 30 32 31
31 32 31 30 31
as opposed to the red addresses:
38 32 29 33 30
28 35 40 35 34
Keep in mind the average distance is 31.8, so let us assume that someone the blue address is compromised. What does it divulge?
It is pretty much equal distance from all the other nodes (including the actual source and destination), so it is like camouflauge. Even if the attacker got the blue address, it certainly cant lead to the red address and it just ends up saying equal chance for any of the nodes to be yours, basically useless guessing. As the network grows, the effect becomes stronger, though finding addresses that are equidistant from a large number of addresses becomes more and more difficult so there will be an eventual cap on the anon set from this.
Notice that not only is the IP address not known, but the destination acct address is not known either, in fact there is no actual destination account, that is how I know it cant be divulged. The destination is the publickey that is generated each session (or transaction), so if there is no account, then it cant be correlated to the IP address. Even when there are a small number of nodes, there is privacy with this method and I believe that is quite unique.
This does raise the issue of spoofing, so there will need to be authentication of some public account before any transactions are done, but there is now an automatic cloud based public key exchange based on user handles, no crazy long numbers to deal with.
James
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October 15, 2014, 01:17:45 PM |
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Has SuperNET actually produced anything yet or still vapor? I'm not reading through 200 pages and the OP really needs some work...makes SuperNET look scammy...
What a completely ridiculous statement. You want to talk about something that looks scammy, checkout MaidSafe or Ethereum. |
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October 15, 2014, 04:13:24 PM |
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Has SuperNET actually produced anything yet or still vapor? I'm not reading through 200 pages and the OP really needs some work...makes SuperNET look scammy...
What a completely ridiculous statement. You want to talk about something that looks scammy, checkout MaidSafe or Ethereum. LOL + 1000 superNET dividends |
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jl777 (OP)
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October 15, 2014, 11:36:54 PM |
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It is quite similar indeed, even down to doing an ICO with discounts for the coins. Interesting thing is that I was in promising discussions with NHZ and they have some common people with XC The graphics they have done are pretty good, and they are explaining SuperNET quite well, even down to the usage of JSON for the RPC. I also see some coins on their list that we did not accept, but as a clone they have to have lower standards. It will be interesting to see if a SuperNET without any financial feedback will be possible. My opinion is that it takes energy to bind disparate coins together and revenue sharing, co-investment are critical parts of the SuperNET concept. Also, it is not clear what they will do with the funds raised. James Found it: "The Blocknet Foundation will pool the formidable abilities of developers and will function as an incubator, funding the creation of a development platform and multiple Blockchain 2.0 services. The Foundation will be responsible for allocating funding for this." So their fund raising is going to pay for development of their SuperNET clone and not be backing the asset at all. I wonder if the trolls will be making any issues about buywalls? |
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October 16, 2014, 12:28:17 AM |
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Found it:
"The Blocknet Foundation will pool the formidable abilities of developers and will function
as an incubator, funding the creation of a development platform and multiple Blockchain
2.0 services. The Foundation will be responsible for allocating funding for this."
So their fund raising is going to pay for development of their SuperNET clone and not be backing the asset at all. I wonder if the trolls will be making any issues about buywalls?
So they're basically saying: "Pay us to copy SuperNET". Sure sounds legit. I'll be watching this closely. Very curious how their ICO will turn out. |
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October 16, 2014, 12:48:31 AM |
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Interesting thing is that I was in promising discussions with NHZ and they have some common people with XC
no i am very curious. are you trying to suggest here that NHZ is supposed to be added as a core coin of supernet or at least going to be somehow related to it? or what do you exactly mean with "promising discussions with NHZ"? |
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jl777 (OP)
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October 16, 2014, 01:18:46 AM |
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Interesting thing is that I was in promising discussions with NHZ and they have some common people with XC
no i am very curious. are you trying to suggest here that NHZ is supposed to be added as a core coin of supernet or at least going to be somehow related to it? or what do you exactly mean with "promising discussions with NHZ"? we were in discussions and then all of a sudden no contact now I know why. it was probably just competitive intelligence gathering, or maybe just coincidence that days after contact is broken off, the blocknet is announced. my interest in NHZ was their 3000 nodes, while this is not in and of itself a technical feature, it does have tangible value. The fact that the XC dev is also advising NHZ makes all this very coincidental and leaves me feeling not so good about the NHZ guy either. If they wanted to find out about SuperNET, why pretend about being interested in a deal? Anyway, NHZ is a clone, so it makes sense for it to become part of the cloneNET blocknet. James |
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October 16, 2014, 02:25:40 AM |
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Right lads, I have rented a server on Digital Ocean for an indefinite period of time. I want to add to the network, where's this Digital Ocean guide I saw a while back? Is there an IRC channel I can dip into if I get stuck?
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October 16, 2014, 02:41:50 AM |
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Right lads, I have rented a server on Digital Ocean for an indefinite period of time. I want to add to the network, where's this Digital Ocean guide I saw a while back? Is there an IRC channel I can dip into if I get stuck?
##supernet on freenode. |
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October 16, 2014, 02:42:33 AM |
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Interesting thing is that I was in promising discussions with NHZ and they have some common people with XC
no i am very curious. are you trying to suggest here that NHZ is supposed to be added as a core coin of supernet or at least going to be somehow related to it? or what do you exactly mean with "promising discussions with NHZ"? we were in discussions and then all of a sudden no contact now I know why. it was probably just competitive intelligence gathering, or maybe just coincidence that days after contact is broken off, the blocknet is announced. my interest in NHZ was their 3000 nodes, while this is not in and of itself a technical feature, it does have tangible value. The fact that the XC dev is also advising NHZ makes all this very coincidental and leaves me feeling not so good about the NHZ guy either. If they wanted to find out about SuperNET, why pretend about being interested in a deal? Anyway, NHZ is a clone, so it makes sense for it to become part of the cloneNET blocknet. James The more I monitor the development of SuperNet and potential alt tech coins participation, the more I am reminded that the average person who "devs" an alt coin A) isn't that bright B) isn't that old/experienced C) isn't that bright (oops did I mention that already?) D) is greedy and E) lacks any real vision or ingenuity. |
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October 16, 2014, 03:01:10 AM |
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It is quite similar indeed, even down to doing an ICO with discounts for the coins. Interesting thing is that I was in promising discussions with NHZ and they have some common people with XC The graphics they have done are pretty good, and they are explaining SuperNET quite well, even down to the usage of JSON for the RPC. I also see some coins on their list that we did not accept, but as a clone they have to have lower standards. It will be interesting to see if a SuperNET without any financial feedback will be possible. My opinion is that it takes energy to bind disparate coins together and revenue sharing, co-investment are critical parts of the SuperNET concept. Also, it is not clear what they will do with the funds raised. James Found it: "The Blocknet Foundation will pool the formidable abilities of developers and will function as an incubator, funding the creation of a development platform and multiple Blockchain 2.0 services. The Foundation will be responsible for allocating funding for this." So their fund raising is going to pay for development of their SuperNET clone and not be backing the asset at all. I wonder if the trolls will be making any issues about buywalls? The SuperNET and JL777's Effect. |
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