[ANN] SuperNET NXT asset 12071612744977229797, SUPERNET KMD assetchain in summer

[crackfoo]

any updates on release dates jl777? its all gone quiet

work and updates are posted continuously on the supernet slack.  Ask jl777 for an invite.

Or read through the public logs. We're not hiding or limiting viewership, come check it out. Join if you want to be a part of it!

http://104.236.15.119:8086/logs/channels

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[jl777]

any updates on release dates jl777? its all gone quiet

if you look in the api channel you will see the level of development that is going on
I am essentially done with the ramchain/MGW code, just a few error handling improvements and I am onto InstantDEX

As far as GUI goes, well, I dont do the GUI but I hear a lot of good feedback from the testers of it.

James

[martismartis]

Just suggestion:

Maybe it will be possible to make online demo wallet of Supernet version 1, like it is done with NXT at www.nxt.org/demo ? Let's say www.supernet.org/demo .

[illodin]

Blocknet's official spokesperson says your no good half-job is not good enough:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829576.msg10439335#msg10439335

[jl777]

Blocknet's official spokesperson says your no good half-job is not good enough:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829576.msg10439335#msg10439335

I prefer to avoid getting into debates with non-technical peoples.

Anybody can download the SuperNET experimental versions, all the source code is there. It is a peer to peer decentralized system.

Granted there are some services for SuperNET that will not be fully decentralized, but the vast majority of services will be. So to isolate a specific distributed service (MGW) and misrepresent it as being centralized and then saying all of SuperNET is centralized, well I think somebody needs to take some lessons in logic.

James

[kitarohotono]

Blocknet's official spokesperson says your no good half-job is not good enough:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829576.msg10439335#msg10439335

Why you even read that scam block copy net topic? 

[najzenmajsen]

Just suggestion:

Maybe it will be possible to make online demo wallet of Supernet version 1, like it is done with NXT at www.nxt.org/demo ? Let's say www.supernet.org/demo .

that sounds impussibre man , how would they do even do that with the current technology.

[TaunSew]

If decentralization is so awesome then why are most decentralized coins failing?  Last I check Ripple is heavily centralized and #2 and it continues to go up, while everything else is going down.

Do customers of PayPal and Stripe complain about those companies' centralization?  Hardly..  this obsession with centralized has a lot to  do with this libertarian streak in cryptos but, at the same time, somebody like Jackson Palmer is correct in that those libertarians are likely holding back the blockchain technology with all of their unnecessary politics.

[yassin54]

#SuperNET Newsletter #13: http://nxter.org/supernet-newsletter-13/

[whetherman]

If decentralization is so awesome then why are most decentralized coins failing?  Last I check Ripple is heavily centralized and #2 and it continues to go up, while everything else is going down.

Do customers of PayPal and Stripe complain about those companies' centralization?  Hardly..  this obsession with centralized has a lot to  do with this libertarian streak in cryptos but, at the same time, somebody like Jackson Palmer is correct in that those libertarians are likely holding back the blockchain technology with all of their unnecessary politics.

Or maybe you are not paying attention to the single, most obvious trend of the last 15 years  -which is decentralization - in everything.

[Eadeqa]

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Or maybe you are not paying attention to the single, most obvious trend of the last 15 years  -which is decentralization - in everything.

Like what? List all the things that were decentralized in last 15 years. I don't know any except crypto like BTC and file sharing software that is mostly used to pirate software and media

[jl777]

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Or maybe you are not paying attention to the single, most obvious trend of the last 15 years  -which is decentralization - in everything.

Like what? List all the things that were decentralized in last 15 years. I don't know any except crypto like BTC and file sharing software that is mostly used to pirate software and media

The computer
The internet

These are a form of decentralization. Computers use to fill entire rooms and only big corporations could even computer. The internet, well I am sure I dont need to provide examples.

Power generation by efficient windmills, solar panels.

I am sure I can find more but when computers, communications and power are being decentralized, then this seems like a large spectrum of society

James

[kjadB]

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Or maybe you are not paying attention to the single, most obvious trend of the last 15 years  -which is decentralization - in everything.

Like what? List all the things that were decentralized in last 15 years. I don't know any except crypto like BTC and file sharing software that is mostly used to pirate software and media

production & distribution of 'culture' - music, videos, news, blogs, ideas ... thinking for yourself .. the internet itself

[Eadeqa]

The computer
The internet

WTF? Calling a computer "decentralized" is like calling a washing machine "decentralized". THat statement makes no sense.  Internet is not a "thing" -- it's just a name of a network, and for most people it's not decentralized, as they connect to internet via their ISP, and even most of the traffic on the internet (if not 99.9%)  go through centralized servers like google, netflix, amazon. P2P traffic is mostly the file sharing software used by pirates.  

[Eadeqa]

production & distribution of 'culture' - music, videos, news, blogs, ideas ... thinking for yourself .. the internet itself

blogs are posed to servers that are centralized, production is done by software owned by companions like Adobe, Google, Microsoft and Apple. I don't know what you are talking by the "internet itself" The Internet is simply a name for a network. You connect to it via ISP that charges you money.

[TaunSew]

I'm not too convinced by the power generation thing.  Maybe that is true if you are in the Netherlands or Germany and see those huge turbines on the way to work every morning.  Everywhere else in the world most power generation are industrial and extremely capital intensive and often government owned / subsidized.

[jl777]

The computer
The internet

WTF? Calling a computer "decentralized" is like calling a washing machine "decentralized". THat statement makes no sense.  Internet is not a "thing" -- it's just a name of a network, and for most people it's not decentralized, as they connect to internet via their ISP, and even most of the traffic on the internet (if not 99.9%)  go through centralized servers like google, netflix, amazon. P2P traffic is mostly the file sharing software used by pirates.  

Would you consider the printing press a form of decentralization?

The fact that the printing presses might have been controlled by some centralized printing press cabal is not relevant as compared to the ability for printed words to reach the masses. Prior to this I think it was the church and royalty and wealthy who even had access to books.

So as ridiculous as it might sound, the computer and internet are decentralizing

It is all relative. That means even if something is not 100% decentralized, if it is less centralized than previously it is a movement toward decentralization. Even if the websites are controlled by centralized entity. The fact that individuals can publish their own website to the world, this is the printing press to the extreme.

so if the printing press is decentralizing so is the internet and personal computer

James

[jl777]

I'm not too convinced by the power generation thing.  Maybe that is true if you are in the Netherlands or Germany and see those huge turbines on the way to work every morning.  Everywhere else in the world most power generation are industrial and extremely capital intensive and often government owned / subsidized.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/the-smarter-grid/the-rise-of-the-personal-power-plant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgeneration
http://www.gizmag.com/hydrobee-portable-hydroelectric-generator/29839/

my point is that new tech is creating new ways to generate power. Also saying that "most power generation are industrial and extremely capital intensive and often government owned / subsidized" so there is no decentralization happening in power is similar to saying that fiat is 99.999% of money so there is no decentralization happening with crypto.

I think you are relying on a logical fallacy.

The point that was made that things are in the process of decentralizing. Not that everything is fully decentralized now. A trend. A direction. A movement toward.

The reason for all this is technology. As it advances, things that used to have to be big (and therefore expensive) can become much less expensive and thus affordable to people. And if more people have access, this is a movement toward decentralization

James

[kjadB]

production & distribution of 'culture' - music, videos, news, blogs, ideas ... thinking for yourself .. the internet itself

blogs are posed to servers that are centralized, production is done by software owned by companions like Adobe, Google, Microsoft and Apple. I don't know what you are talking by the "internet itself" The Internet is simply a name for a network. You connect to it via ISP that charges you money.

content creation on the NET is NOT controlled by editorial guidelines to the same extent as traditional media, so with little cost and effort, ordinary people like you and me are capable of producing content that *might* reach & influence millions of people. Think of a a viral YouTube video. Yes, a big corporation owns YouTube, but what about in the future? Decentralisation of content creation has empowered people. Decentralization of the infrastructure is the next step. If you can't see this trend now don't worry. It's still early days

The gatekeepers of news, ideas, values, culture etc still exist, but their power is reducing. There is competition, and it comes from lots & lots of little people all around the world.

[Eadeqa]

production & distribution of 'culture' - music, videos, news, blogs, ideas ... thinking for yourself .. the internet itself

blogs are posed to servers that are centralized, production is done by software owned by companions like Adobe, Google, Microsoft and Apple. I don't know what you are talking by the "internet itself" The Internet is simply a name for a network. You connect to it via ISP that charges you money.

content creation on the NET is NOT controlled by editorial guidelines to the same extent as traditional media, so with little cost and effort, ordinary people like you and me are capable of producing content that *might* reach & influence millions of people. Think of a a viral YouTube video. Yes, a big corporation owns YouTube, but what about in the future? Decentralisation of content creation has empowered people. Decentralization of the infrastructure is the next step. If you can't see this trend now don't worry. It's still early days

The gatekeepers of news, ideas, values, culture etc still exist, but their power is reducing. There is competition, and it comes from lots & lots of little people all around the world.

This is not we mean when we are talking about decentralize in crypto.  We have more competition on the internet, but servers people use (google, dropbox, flickr, twitter, etc) are all centralized. Even this forum is centralized. Almost everything online is centralized one way or another.