Cryptcominer.com - SCAM or NOT?! Update: SCAM

[BombaUcigasa]

This whole thing appeared overnight and is exploding in promotion... please consider your participation as calculated gambling.

"Earn 3%-4.5% Daily from your investment" -- Typical HYIP/ponzi promotional stuff. (for the math relaxed readers, that's 500 bitcoins in a year for every 1 bitcoin invested today)

Main topic in "Gambling" section: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=762929.0
Lots of spam promotion: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=762934.0
More bribery: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=762942.0
People stumbling over themselves: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=763001.0

Website: https://cryptcominer.com/ (pretty standard HYIP looking)
"Cryptco Miner is a corporate entity and has been officially registered." -- they say this on almost every page. There are not really publishing ANY of their corporation details, ownership, employee names or anything. They just say they are official and that's that. Facebook link doesn't work.

Whois: http://who.is/whois/cryptcominer.com

Registrant Name: WHOISGUARD PROTECTED
Registrant Organization: WHOISGUARD, INC.
Registrant Street: P.O. BOX 0823-03411
Registrant City: PANAMA
Registrant State/Province: PANAMA

The address is mentioned in several scams, including something about infintecoin. See: https://www.google.com/search?q=P.O.+BOX+0823-03411&

The IP address is routed by ddos-guard.net and can go anywhere, we can't establish other hosting neighbors.

The cookie-cutter copy-pasterino text "Orientation is probably its best features" (means NOTHING in context) is found on several sites: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Orientation+is+probably+its+best+features.%22

Sample calculation for 100% subscribers to first plan, with 100$ (as they claim their latest users are contributing):
- daily payment: 3%
- daily payment to referrer: 30% of 3% = 0.9%
- daily total payments profit margin: 20% from 3.9% = 0.78%
- total daily income per principal: 4.68%
- total monthly required profit: 395% / month...
- how much 100$ would be worth in 1 year if they invested it themselves and not paid and wasted time making a website: 1 779 326 300$

Why do they have "miner" in their domain if they are claiming to be a investment.
How can they pay on top of their ludicrously high returns, referral rates for affiliates?
Why don't they just borrow some money or contact angel investors for funds for simpler profits?

All these to be answered soon... when they provide proof of identity and operational funds?

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[williamj2543]

Hey I just deposited 20$, lets see how this goes. I will tell you how things happen after 1 day.

[BombaUcigasa]

Hey I just deposited 20$, lets see how this goes. I will tell you how things happen after 1 day.

Thanks for posting. I welcome any users to post their experience here.

Also I have a question: what will you do when you double your money (23 days from now)?

[williamj2543]

Hey I just deposited 20$, lets see how this goes. I will tell you how things happen after 1 day.

Thanks for posting. I welcome any users to post their experience here.

Also I have a question: what will you do when you double your money (23 days from now)?

First I'll see after 1 or 2 days.

[dbshck]

Deposited to see how it goes.
These kind of "investment" will eventually scam, even if they're paying for the first few days.
And to be honest, i don't think it will last for a month

[williamj2543]

Their support is real, I just chatted with them and it was a real person, not a bot. Thats something good, if a company can afford to pay for live chat support they look like they are going far.

[BombaUcigasa]

And to be honest, i don't think it will last for a month

I expect more, because they can pay back completely initial depositors in 20-30 days and get new deposits based on that for a while. My suggestion is 2 months.

[dbshck]

And to be honest, i don't think it will last for a month

I expect more, because they can pay back completely initial depositors in 20-30 days and get new deposits based on that for a while. My suggestion is 2 months.

True.
But consider their expenses for promotion, like signature ads and Ref contest (4BTC prize on 21 Sept.). Do you think they really would pay the 4BTC?

Contest ends in 20th September.
Winners announced till 21th September.

[BitCoinDream]

And to be honest, i don't think it will last for a month

I expect more, because they can pay back completely initial depositors in 20-30 days and get new deposits based on that for a while. My suggestion is 2 months.

With the expenditure of initial payout, u need to count their payment to sig campaigners. Its difficult to sustain till 2 months if they try to payout old investors with new ones + the sig campaigners, unless they can achieve an exponential investment.

[ONLYfree]

We can clearly see that is standard HYIP and 100% they will become a scam. Now they offering very high paying signature campaign so I can imagine how much they will collect and run.

They are playing in smart way, your income from signature campaign stay on HYIP site, so a lot a people will invest from that income, because its 4% daily!

OH god.. we all will see it, a lot of complains, a lot of red feedback in nice profiles because they advertising scamers for dusts.

I think this have to be stop it now.



O my goodness.. what a referrals contest..

[CryptcoMiner]

We are offering you all to earn, if you don't want to join, then don't. Those who will participate, they will post here payments every day and will be happy. That's why it's posted in Gamble section. You always have a choice, joining or no.

I will be happy to answer all your doubts trough email or live support.

Thank you.

[BombaUcigasa]

We are offering you all to earn, if you don't want to join, then don't. Those who will participate, they will post here payments every day and will be happy. That's why it's posted in Gamble section. You always have a choice, joining or no.

I will be happy to answer all your doubts trough email or live support.

Thank you.

Updated OP with some more details, please consider your participation as calculated gambling as suggested by CryptcoMiner above.

Do not take anything I wrote so far as fact, the IPs, NSs and other details are very obfuscated and may be circumstantial and not indicative of specific identities.

[BitCoinDream]

We are offering you all to earn, if you don't want to join, then don't. Those who will participate, they will post here payments every day and will be happy. That's why it's posted in Gamble section. You always have a choice, joining or no.

I will be happy to answer all your doubts trough email or live support.

Thank you.

Updated OP with some more details, please consider your participation as calculated gambling as suggested by CryptcoMiner above.

Do not take anything I wrote so far as fact, the IPs, NSs and other details are very obfuscated and may be circumstantial and not indicative of specific identities.

There is no point in going by the WHOIS record. They are using WHOIS protection service. So address etc are guarded. Moreover, no one posts their real address in WHOIS now-a-days.

[BombaUcigasa]

There is no point in going by the WHOIS record. They are using WHOIS protection service. So address etc are guarded. Moreover, no one posts their real address in WHOIS now-a-days.

It's true, but you need to apply "fingerprinting" to link several activities by the same identity.

For example lazy or careless scammers will reuse the same hosting provider, domain hoster, ddos service, email service, website script, website frameworks, etc. Reverse-looking these details can link to other activities that may or may not provide more details about the investigated identity. We're not trying to figure out who they are in real life, but who they are on the internet.

[BombaUcigasa]

It seems CryptcoMiner has not yet decided to escrow the funds for the signatures contents and this has raised some comments from participants. I would escrow the funds and defraud the contest to win them back

[williamj2543]

Its almost been 24 hours, I think I am going to withdraw after only 1 or 2 days just to keep it safe.

[fox19891989]

All HYIP are scams

I give up to join that campaign because I don't wanna be a part of SCAM group.

[BombaUcigasa]

All HYIP are scams

I give up to join that campaign because I don't wanna be a part of SCAM group.

If you're part of the first wave of users, you have a high chance of getting your reward, isn't that what everyone else is thinking?

[williamj2543]

Profit withdraw worked and I got my daily 60 cents out yesterday. I'm taking it all out today which is 20 dollars plus another 60 cents. Get out before this crashes!

[DaveSaldana123]

Is it true they are paying sig campaign everyday?