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September 02, 2014, 04:42:51 AM
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The man only has one life so I wouldn't expect him to be trying to play a Bitcoin martyr.  The feds are pro's at making people take deals they wouldn't normally take.  The system is so rigged it it is not funny, especially if you don't have a great legal team and the money to pay them..  The fact that he pleads guilty is in many ways a win for the FEDS and a loss for the little guy who got caught in the wrong place and didn't know the right people. 
IDK how much him fighting (successfully) the charges would help bitcoin. I think the case is really more about money laundering laws then anything else.

If anything, the case is about someone who did business and made money off the silk road site regardless of the morality of what was being done. I think the government wants to prosecute as many people who sold on silk road as possible to make others who sell/make money off other similar sites afraid to do business on those sites.
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September 02, 2014, 04:51:49 AM
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I do not understand the thread.   You are not a moron and yet you started this thread.   He clearly broke the law and then put in writing how to continue to break the law and "he would not notice".   Whether you agree with the law is irrelevant.   He was not in the "gray area", he was fully entrenched in the black.   Pleading guilty to save his ass and let the government set a precedent is the best outcome for him.

                                                                               
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September 02, 2014, 01:17:00 PM
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I do not understand the thread.   You are not a moron and yet you started this thread.   He clearly broke the law and then put in writing how to continue to break the law and "he would not notice".   Whether you agree with the law is irrelevant.   He was not in the "gray area", he was fully entrenched in the black.   Pleading guilty to save his ass and let the government set a precedent is the best outcome for him.

Nothing is ever as black and white as your making this sound. I started the thread to discover what people think about what the government is doing not to hold a trial.

Disagreeing with bad laws is not irrelevant. If I were the head of a Homeland Security office, under the NDAA, I could arrest your mother and hold her until the day she dies without a trial in a military prison. I think Rosa Parks would believe ignoring bad laws is relevant. She was tried and convicted using Jim Crow laws because she refused to give up her seat on a bus. People have been hunted down and killed to keep marijuana out of this country. Now it's legal in Colorado and Washington. Anti corruption and money laundering laws are a joke coming from a government that's as corrupt as the U.S. Government. Especially considering how much public money the CIA launders for its supply of arms to foreign factions to overthrow governments.

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September 02, 2014, 01:52:26 PM
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Hmm well if it is obvious that you will be found guilty and sentenced, it may indeed be better to accept the "lesser evil" and come forward for yourself. I'm certain he will have discussed this tactic with his lawyers well enough!

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September 02, 2014, 03:39:09 PM
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Hmm well if it is obvious that you will be found guilty and sentenced, it may indeed be better to accept the "lesser evil" and come forward for yourself. I'm certain he will have discussed this tactic with his lawyers well enough!

He can't be found guilty because he's pleading guilty.

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September 02, 2014, 03:40:11 PM
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The man only has one life so I wouldn't expect him to be trying to play a Bitcoin martyr.  The feds are pro's at making people take deals they wouldn't normally take.  The system is so rigged it it is not funny, especially if you don't have a great legal team and the money to pay them..  The fact that he pleads guilty is in many ways a win for the FEDS and a loss for the little guy who got caught in the wrong place and didn't know the right people. 
IDK how much him fighting (successfully) the charges would help bitcoin. I think the case is really more about money laundering laws then anything else.

If anything, the case is about someone who did business and made money off the silk road site regardless of the morality of what was being done. I think the government wants to prosecute as many people who sold on silk road as possible to make others who sell/make money off other similar sites afraid to do business on those sites.

Your point about this mainly being about money laundering is fair and makes sense.  My issue is more so about how the court system works to make an example of the little guy.  There are far bigger players who get caught laundering money and cooperating with murders and criminals and the people are told they are "to big to fail".  The double standard in the court system by the have and have not's is my real point I'm trying to get across.  For me this is just a witch hunt to take down some undesirables.  Mr Shrem made a bad decision and it caught up with him so don't think I'm calling him an angel that is being attacked for nothing.  I'm just interested bigger picture and the tactics used by the feds.
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September 02, 2014, 03:41:35 PM
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I love Charlie Shrem, and I support a right to financial privacy.  The whole idea of "money laundering" being a crime precludes a right to financial privacy.  The people who make this kind of stuff illegal are basically from a different planet than me, or a totally alien culture.

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September 02, 2014, 03:49:38 PM
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I love Charlie Shrem, and I support a right to financial privacy.  The whole idea of "money laundering" being a crime precludes a right to financial privacy.  

The people who make this kind of stuff illegal are basically from a different planet than me, or a totally alien culture.
They're from planet "we print the money in this town, and we give it to our criminal bankster pals. DON'T GO PRINTING YOUR OWN MONEY BEHIND OUR BACKS YOU FUCKWITS, WE'RE THE FUCKIN MAFIA!"

I think the government wants to prosecute as many people who sold on silk road as possible to make others who sell/make money off other similar sites afraid to do business on those sites.
Exactly, it's not about justice, it's about setting an intimidating example in a futile attempt to scare people away from both dark markets and bitcoin. It won't work.

Remember Aaron Swartz, a 26 year old computer scientist who died defending the free flow of information.
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September 02, 2014, 06:14:14 PM
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When you are kidnapped, cooperate with your captors if it will result in your freedom. Even McCain cooperated with the Vietnamese when he was a prisoner to get through his captivity.

There is no shame in taking the shortest path toward freedom.

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September 02, 2014, 06:40:04 PM
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Govt threatened him with 20+ years, what would you do?  Roll the dice or take probation ...

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September 02, 2014, 08:02:17 PM
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Govt threatened him with 20+ years, what would you do?  Roll the dice or take probation ...

My point from the beginning. If you have a family to think about, they come before public perception...always!

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Btc price will be hit maybe or not with recent good news of overstock. i duno
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September 02, 2014, 08:17:38 PM
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Difficult. I'm no lawyer, I guess they do know what is the best way to go in this case! I think it's the safest way - in some cases - to actually plead guilty if it reduces your sentence, or if it's some kind of 'deal' you made with the prosecution... I don't know the exact background, though!

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Charlie, how much time they stick u with?
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September 02, 2014, 08:35:12 PM
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Why is he only one being prosecuted?

There are still a lot of people selling on localbitcoin.

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September 02, 2014, 09:01:25 PM
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Why is he only one being prosecuted?

There are still a lot of people selling on localbitcoin.

I think his case is being used to set an example and make us behave. Everyone trading cash and Bitcoins without the proper license on localbitcoins is most certainly in violation of the law. I wish DnT was in this thread. He studied up on it and could explain the ins and outs.

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September 02, 2014, 09:27:52 PM
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I think he did what he had to do.
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September 02, 2014, 09:47:35 PM
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I do not understand the thread.   You are not a moron and yet you started this thread.   He clearly broke the law and then put in writing how to continue to break the law and "he would not notice".   Whether you agree with the law is irrelevant.   He was not in the "gray area", he was fully entrenched in the black.   Pleading guilty to save his ass and let the government set a precedent is the best outcome for him.
You are actually not qualified to make the statement that he broke the law. Only a judge or a jury that is presiding over his specific case is able to make that conclusion.

You have also only heard one side of the story as to what happened - the governments (prosecution) and even this is not their entire side because you have not been able to evaluate the sources of information that the government used to make the conclusions that they made.
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September 03, 2014, 02:41:35 AM
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Why is he only one being prosecuted?

There are still a lot of people selling on localbitcoin.

I think his case is being used to set an example and make us behave. Everyone trading cash and Bitcoins without the proper license on localbitcoins is most certainly in violation of the law. I wish DnT was in this thread. He studied up on it and could explain the ins and outs.
I think it is more about buying and selling drugs over the internet. They charged Ross with the harshest statutes that were designed for drug lords. They changed that guy in FL with money laundering when he sold bitcoin on LBC at outrageous prices (huge mark up) to a undercover cop that told him he was going to use the bitcoin to buy drugs and do other illegal things.   
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September 03, 2014, 04:25:35 AM
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Why is he only one being prosecuted?

There are still a lot of people selling on localbitcoin.

I think his case is being used to set an example and make us behave. Everyone trading cash and Bitcoins without the proper license on localbitcoins is most certainly in violation of the law. I wish DnT was in this thread. He studied up on it and could explain the ins and outs.
I think it is more about buying and selling drugs over the internet. They charged Ross with the harshest statutes that were designed for drug lords. They changed that guy in FL with money laundering when he sold bitcoin on LBC at outrageous prices (huge mark up) to a undercover cop that told him he was going to use the bitcoin to buy drugs and do other illegal things.   

You may be right. It might not have anything to do with Bitcoin. It may just be a warning to anyone trying to bypass drug laws using the deep web.

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