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April 18, 2012, 05:27:20 PM
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Just the couple of experts I spoke to said I2P was a more secure design but currently more vulnerable than Tor to attack due to Tor being a bigger network.  Like I said before I was also in favour of a .onion site as well.  Sorry for the confusion can we stay on topic.
Either they are government agents that lied to you on purpose, or just dumb. I2P is not more secure then Tor(they are about equal)
my personal opinion is that tor is most secure, because of simpler and cleaner code(and of course its more used, but that not relevant when we are talking about the underlying systems).

staying on topic from now on.

Recommendations on how to run GLBSE in such a way as to have a normal www face but having the data base in the darknet (this would allow darknet users to have access as well), ideally without much lag.

This would allow the data to be centralised and safe from discovery, such that if a www face is shut down it won't actually effect the data (and operation) of GLBSE itself.

Mathew, the source for Tor is opensournce and freely available. Also the US gov (some parts of it anyway) also have good reason to be able to do things without being seen, it's why the CIA or some other agency is quite happy about Bitcoin.

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April 18, 2012, 05:30:05 PM
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Wouldn't it be "smarter" to have a bitcoin style sharechain, only the transactions are share movements + bits etc.?

It might even be doable via Bitcoin itself, using the output of "blessed" transactions as shares, recognized by a special client.

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April 18, 2012, 05:32:27 PM
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Wouldn't it be "smarter" to have a bitcoin style sharechain, only the transactions are share movements + bits etc.?

It might even be doable via Bitcoin itself, using the output of "blessed" transactions as shares, recognized by a special client.

Then we're getting into distributed blockchain based stockmarkets, and I believe that there is already a thread on this, the major problem being speed, markets need to be able to process transactions quickly which requires centralisation (or very VERY fast replication).

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April 18, 2012, 05:34:25 PM
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Just the couple of experts I spoke to said I2P was a more secure design but currently more vulnerable than Tor to attack due to Tor being a bigger network.  Like I said before I was also in favour of a .onion site as well.  Sorry for the confusion can we stay on topic.
Either they are government agents that lied to you on purpose, or just dumb. I2P is not more secure then Tor(they are about equal)
my personal opinion is that tor is most secure, because of simpler and cleaner code(and of course its more used, but that not relevant when we are talking about the underlying systems).

staying on topic from now on.

 Also the US gov (some parts of it anyway) also have good reason to be able to do things without being seen, it's why the CIA or some other agency is quite happy about Bitcoin.

I'm anarcho-socialist so not a big fan of the US or any government really both the UK and US governments are bordering fascist regimes these days both the big parties who can only win the elections are basically the same fighting for the rights of banks ect above the average person needs.  Sorry off-topic again  Undecided  Please don't all attack me back now for mentioning I'm a anarchist which I have to put socialist after to explain my stand point.  I'm a big-fan of bitcoin please all leave it at that  Lips sealed

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April 18, 2012, 05:40:57 PM
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I'm thinking I2P myself though because it's got lower latency and much greater bandwidth, the kind needed to be able to run GLBSE over.

Due to network size would less secure than Tor but still a massive step up from the open web.

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April 18, 2012, 05:59:18 PM
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Just the couple of experts I spoke to said I2P was a more secure design but currently more vulnerable than Tor to attack due to Tor being a bigger network.  Like I said before I was also in favour of a .onion site as well.  Sorry for the confusion can we stay on topic.
Either they are government agents that lied to you on purpose, or just dumb. I2P is not more secure then Tor(they are about equal)
my personal opinion is that tor is most secure, because of simpler and cleaner code(and of course its more used, but that not relevant when we are talking about the underlying systems).

staying on topic from now on.

Recommendations on how to run GLBSE in such a way as to have a normal www face but having the data base in the darknet (this would allow darknet users to have access as well), ideally without much lag.

backend stuff in the tor network. frontend server(s), that interact with the backend, through tor.
the .onion address of the backend could be open to the public too, and the frontend(s) are just a simple(and unsafe!) way to interact the real GLBSE.

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April 18, 2012, 06:06:23 PM
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Thats pretty much what I was thinking, but what kind of lag do you think we could expect by running the backend over Tor?

Also I don't see how the frontend would be unsafe, just vulnerable to being shut down.

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April 18, 2012, 06:08:20 PM
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Just the couple of experts I spoke to said I2P was a more secure design but currently more vulnerable than Tor to attack due to Tor being a bigger network.  Like I said before I was also in favour of a .onion site as well.  Sorry for the confusion can we stay on topic.
Either they are government agents that lied to you on purpose, or just dumb. I2P is not more secure then Tor(they are about equal)
my personal opinion is that tor is most secure, because of simpler and cleaner code(and of course its more used, but that not relevant when we are talking about the underlying systems).

staying on topic from now on.

 Also the US gov (some parts of it anyway) also have good reason to be able to do things without being seen, it's why the CIA or some other agency is quite happy about Bitcoin.

I'm anarcho-socialist so not a big fan of the US or any government really both the UK and US governments are bordering fascist regimes these days both the big parties who can only win the elections are basically the same fighting for the rights of banks ect above the average person needs.  Sorry off-topic again  Undecided  Please don't all attack me back now for mentioning I'm a anarchist which I have to put socialist after to explain my stand point.  I'm a big-fan of bitcoin please all leave it at that  Lips sealed
RAGE!!!!!!!! NATIONAL SOCIALISTIC, NAZI COMMUNIST! DUMB INTERNET TROLL RAGE!!!! (... what was the internet law about the nazies again?) Cheesy

btw. i would also describe myself as a anarcho-socialist or nihilist.

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April 18, 2012, 06:13:46 PM
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Thats pretty much what I was thinking, but what kind of lag do you think we could expect by running the backend over Tor?

Also I don't see how the frontend would be unsafe, just vulnerable to being shut down taken over.
not much lag i think, you could always cache the big things, like bid/ask.

i would rater interact directly with the backend, then using a frontend. the code for a frontend could be open and anyone could setup their own(or use a public one), in a similar way as diaspora does it(except they are totally decentralized).

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April 18, 2012, 06:14:21 PM
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Just the couple of experts I spoke to said I2P was a more secure design but currently more vulnerable than Tor to attack due to Tor being a bigger network.  Like I said before I was also in favour of a .onion site as well.  Sorry for the confusion can we stay on topic.
Either they are government agents that lied to you on purpose, or just dumb. I2P is not more secure then Tor(they are about equal)
my personal opinion is that tor is most secure, because of simpler and cleaner code(and of course its more used, but that not relevant when we are talking about the underlying systems).

staying on topic from now on.

 Also the US gov (some parts of it anyway) also have good reason to be able to do things without being seen, it's why the CIA or some other agency is quite happy about Bitcoin.

I'm anarcho-socialist so not a big fan of the US or any government really both the UK and US governments are bordering fascist regimes these days both the big parties who can only win the elections are basically the same fighting for the rights of banks ect above the average person needs.  Sorry off-topic again  Undecided  Please don't all attack me back now for mentioning I'm a anarchist which I have to put socialist after to explain my stand point.  I'm a big-fan of bitcoin please all leave it at that  Lips sealed
RAGE!!!!!!!! NATIONAL SOCIALISTIC, NAZI COMMUNIST! DUMB INTERNET TROLL RAGE!!!! (... what was the internet law about the nazies again?) Cheesy

btw. i would also describe myself as a anarcho-socialist or nihilist.

Anarchy is very socialist so we shouldn't have to put socialist with the anarchy word but with these abominations popping up calling them self anarcho-capitalists its needed.

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April 18, 2012, 06:18:39 PM
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Thats pretty much what I was thinking, but what kind of lag do you think we could expect by running the backend over Tor?

Also I don't see how the frontend would be unsafe, just vulnerable to being shut down taken over.
not much lag i think, you could always cache the big things, like bid/ask.

i would rater interact directly with the backend, then using a frontend. the code for a frontend could be open and anyone could setup their own(or use a public one), in a similar way as diaspora does it(except they are totally decentralized).

Could you also please run a I2P site too  Tongue

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April 18, 2012, 06:24:32 PM
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Anarchy is very socialist so we shouldn't have to put socialist with the anarchy word but with these abominations popping up calling them self anarcho-capitalists its needed.
it depends on the way you describe anarchy.
anarcho-capitalists, might describe anarchy as: "i have the right to kick you in the balls, if i can do it"
while anarcho-socialist, might describe it as: "sure i have the right to kick your balls, but why not be nice to eachother instead?"

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April 18, 2012, 06:26:47 PM
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Anarchy is very socialist so we shouldn't have to put socialist with the anarchy word but with these abominations popping up calling them self anarcho-capitalists its needed.
it depends on the way you describe anarchy.
anarcho-capitalists, might describe anarchy as: "i have the right to kick you in the balls, if i can do it"
while anarcho-socialist, might describe it as: "sure i have the right to kick your balls, but why not be nice to eachother instead?"

If you look at early anarchists and all anarchists until modern times they all had very socialist like views on the redistribution of wealth and stuff. 

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April 18, 2012, 06:29:44 PM
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Anarchy is very socialist so we shouldn't have to put socialist with the anarchy word but with these abominations popping up calling them self anarcho-capitalists its needed.
it depends on the way you describe anarchy.
anarcho-capitalists, might describe anarchy as: "i have the right to kick you in the balls, if i can do it"
while anarcho-socialist, might describe it as: "sure i have the right to kick your balls, but why not be nice to eachother instead?"

If you look at early anarchists and all anarchists until modern times they all had very socialist like views on the redistribution of wealth and stuff. 
like the ones in spain? now im on a topic that i have only a little knowledge about.

btw. we are off topic, should we start a thread?

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April 18, 2012, 06:33:50 PM
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Wouldn't it be "smarter" to have a bitcoin style sharechain, only the transactions are share movements + bits etc.?

It might even be doable via Bitcoin itself, using the output of "blessed" transactions as shares, recognized by a special client.

this is also available: namecoin

btw: what about a glbse .bit domain?

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April 18, 2012, 06:39:00 PM
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Anarchy is very socialist so we shouldn't have to put socialist with the anarchy word but with these abominations popping up calling them self anarcho-capitalists its needed.
it depends on the way you describe anarchy.
anarcho-capitalists, might describe anarchy as: "i have the right to kick you in the balls, if i can do it"
while anarcho-socialist, might describe it as: "sure i have the right to kick your balls, but why not be nice to eachother instead?"

If you look at early anarchists and all anarchists until modern times they all had very socialist like views on the redistribution of wealth and stuff. 
like the ones in spain? now im on a topic that i have only a little knowledge about.

btw. we are off topic, should we start a thread?

No point it would just get jumped on by all the gun loving yanks they think neo-liberal Obama is socialist!  Free education and healthcare is not really socialism just looking after the workers so they can produce more.  Also the biggest con of the last century was the painting of the USSR as socialism  Undecided  America had a lot of socialists before the McCarthy era.  

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April 18, 2012, 06:40:01 PM
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Wouldn't it be "smarter" to have a bitcoin style sharechain, only the transactions are share movements + bits etc.?

It might even be doable via Bitcoin itself, using the output of "blessed" transactions as shares, recognized by a special client.

this is also available: namecoin

btw: what about a glbse .bit domain?

I think neferio has been looking for the owner of the domain (think someone has already parked it).

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April 18, 2012, 06:41:31 PM
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Wouldn't it be "smarter" to have a bitcoin style sharechain, only the transactions are share movements + bits etc.?

It might even be doable via Bitcoin itself, using the output of "blessed" transactions as shares, recognized by a special client.

this is also available: namecoin

btw: what about a glbse .bit domain?

I've "bought" GBSE.bit, but since I've made the payment haven't heard anything since and that was early yesterday.

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April 18, 2012, 07:35:55 PM
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Aren't tor and freenet or i2p different? Tor anonymize the traffic but in the end you have to host the website (or the backup) on a server while on freenet/i2p you just upload it and it's backuped by the clients joined to it?
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April 18, 2012, 07:44:40 PM
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Aren't tor and freenet or i2p different? Tor anonymize the traffic but in the end you have to host the website (or the backup) on a server while on freenet/i2p you just upload it and it's backuped by the clients joined to it?

Tor and I2P are pretty much the same except for a few small differences.

Freenet is completely different from Tor or I2P, Freenet is a distributed data store.

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