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July 14, 2018, 10:44:05 PM
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I'm back in game after 14 days, and I see there were some changes made on  bustabit page :

1/ Why is not possible anymore to set up "non integer" bet, let's say 3.5 bits ? It was possible before. Of course real bet was 3 bits, but if one has multiplier (in case of loss), let's say 2.5x, next bet has been calculated as 3.5 * 2.5, not 3 * 2.5 ... which was fine. Actually, it was only one great upgrade (in my eyes), comparing to bustabit v1. Anyway, why's not possible to set up bet in satoshis instead of bits, so, in my example above, 350 sats instead of 3.5 (bits) ?

2/ When I play auto-mode, in case of loss the script has been terminated, even if I have set up multiplier (in case of win and "return to the base bet", everything goes on without interruption).

3/ What is the "Simulation mode" checkbox beside the "Run script" green button ?


Thanks for the answers to my questions.
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July 15, 2018, 07:21:09 AM
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1/ Why is not possible anymore to set up "non integer" bet, let's say 3.5 bits ? It was possible before. Of course real bet was 3 bits, but if one has multiplier (in case of loss), let's say 2.5x, next bet has been calculated as 3.5 * 2.5, not 3 * 2.5 ... which was fine. Actually, it was only one great upgrade (in my eyes), comparing to bustabit v1. Anyway, why's not possible to set up bet in satoshis instead of bits, so, in my example above, 350 sats instead of 3.5 (bits) ?

bustabit only allows betting of whole bits, so you can only bet multiples of 100 satoshis. Previously a bug in the script editor allowed invalid bets to be accepted and silently rounded. This bug has been fixed and script authors need to ensure that their bet sizes are valid.

Luckily the fix is very simple. You can use Math.round to round your wagers, so for example

Code:
engine.bet(betSize, targetMultiplier)

would become

Code:
engine.bet(Math.round(betSize / 100) * 100, targetMultiplier)

If you always want to round downwards or upwards, use Math.floor or Math.ceil respectively instead.

2/ When I play auto-mode, in case of loss the script has been terminated, even if I have set up multiplier (in case of win and "return to the base bet", everything goes on without interruption).

In case that's what you're using, the Martingale sample script also relied on the bug I mentioned, but has been fixed. To load the fixed Martingale script, delete it from the list of scripts, then click the orange "Restore samples" button.

Otherwise it's hard to say what the issue is without seeing the specific script. Most likely it is trying to place an invalid wager and failing.

3/ What is the "Simulation mode" checkbox beside the "Run script" green button ?

The simulation mode lets you test a script without actually placing bets. If you enable simulation mode you will be able to choose your starting balance for the simulation. Running your script will then cause your simulated balance to increase or decrease, allowing you to see how a script would do on bustabit without risking any bits.

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July 15, 2018, 11:03:01 AM
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Luckily the fix is very simple. You can use Math.round to round your wagers, so for example

Code:
engine.bet(betSize, targetMultiplier)

would become

Code:
engine.bet(Math.round(betSize / 100) * 100, targetMultiplier)

Ah, great, it really works. I just see (e.g. in Martingale script) function roundBit(bet), but editing of this function is full enough, it seems. Thanks!

In case that's what you're using, the Martingale sample script also relied on the bug I mentioned, but has been fixed. To load the fixed Martingale script, delete it from the list of scripts, then click the orange "Restore samples" button.

Otherwise it's hard to say what the issue is without seeing the specific script. Most likely it is trying to place an invalid wager and failing.

Yeah, it was that issue. I just deleted the script and used the "Restore sample" button and everything works like a charm now.

The simulation mode lets you test a script without actually placing bets. If you enable simulation mode you will be able to choose your starting balance for the simulation. Running your script will then cause your simulated balance to increase or decrease, allowing you to see how a script would do on bustabit without risking any bits.

Ok, thanks for the explanation, I'll try this, it looks like an useful function.


Thanks a lot for your explanation and also for all your work with bustabit, devans!
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July 17, 2018, 08:06:26 AM
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Over the past few days KLITZ has won 300 BTC, making him the new record holder on bustabit for highest net profit. Congratulations!


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July 17, 2018, 12:47:31 PM
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After KLITZ, there's nothing to do here.Bustabit went crazy.
The administrator reconfigured the script.
 Shiba: Median over last 50, 100 games: 1.535x, 1.595x
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July 17, 2018, 05:19:12 PM
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After KLITZ, there's nothing to do here.Bustabit went crazy.
The administrator reconfigured the script.
 Shiba: Median over last 50, 100 games: 1.535x, 1.595x

the games are predetermined. Nothing has changed besides the part of the chain we're on
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July 17, 2018, 05:48:01 PM
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After KLITZ, there's nothing to do here.Bustabit went crazy.
The administrator reconfigured the script.
 Shiba: Median over last 50, 100 games: 1.535x, 1.595x

the games are predetermined. Nothing has changed besides the part of the chain we're on

Nothing is predetermined. You are deceived.
https://jsfiddle.net/Dexon95/2fmuxLza/embedded/result/  It shows only the history of the games and there is nothing to prove honesty.
Can you still believe in Santa?
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July 17, 2018, 05:50:56 PM
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After KLITZ, there's nothing to do here.Bustabit went crazy.
The administrator reconfigured the script.
 Shiba: Median over last 50, 100 games: 1.535x, 1.595x

the games are predetermined. Nothing has changed besides the part of the chain we're on

Nothing is predetermined. You are deceived.
https://jsfiddle.net/Dexon95/2fmuxLza/embedded/result/  It shows only the history of the games and there is nothing to prove honesty.
Can you still believe in Santa?

Ive played bustabit since 2015... Please learn about how the game works before you try to claim it was tampered. The games are hashed and chained together to prove the games havent been altered. If 1 game was changed or altered the entire chain would be broke and we would be able to tell.
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July 17, 2018, 05:57:19 PM
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After KLITZ, there's nothing to do here.Bustabit went crazy.
The administrator reconfigured the script.
 Shiba: Median over last 50, 100 games: 1.535x, 1.595x

the games are predetermined. Nothing has changed besides the part of the chain we're on

Nothing is predetermined. You are deceived.
https://jsfiddle.net/Dexon95/2fmuxLza/embedded/result/  It shows only the history of the games and there is nothing to prove honesty.
Can you still believe in Santa?

Ive played bustabit since 2015... Please learn about how the game works before you try to claim it was tampered. The games are hashed and chained together to prove the games havent been altered. If 1 game was changed or altered the entire chain would be broke and we would be able to tell.

How to check the integrity? Tell me please.
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July 17, 2018, 11:13:43 PM
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After KLITZ, there's nothing to do here.Bustabit went crazy.
The administrator reconfigured the script.
 Shiba: Median over last 50, 100 games: 1.535x, 1.595x

the games are predetermined. Nothing has changed besides the part of the chain we're on

Nothing is predetermined. You are deceived.
https://jsfiddle.net/Dexon95/2fmuxLza/embedded/result/  It shows only the history of the games and there is nothing to prove honesty.
Can you still believe in Santa?

Ive played bustabit since 2015... Please learn about how the game works before you try to claim it was tampered. The games are hashed and chained together to prove the games havent been altered. If 1 game was changed or altered the entire chain would be broke and we would be able to tell.

How to check the integrity? Tell me please.

You posted the link yourself... if a game was altered the whole chain would be broke and that verifier would show it
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July 19, 2018, 04:03:26 PM
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It looks like the site will temporarily stop taking commission:

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08:57 A Daniel: In a few moments bustabit will restart for a server update. No big changes, I'm just suspending the wager commission that investors pay.
08:57 A Daniel: That will boost the max profit a bit
08:58 A Daniel: @Guthix Investors are charged 0.25% for each wager that's made on bustabit
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July 19, 2018, 09:27:41 PM
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I suggest admin to show hash future 5k games. Example 705000-710000 hash SHA256 7297db81c2f7916e25b9593f8c8785e1aa1487fa9f3961c50b7cc5f1a541bc82.
And at the end compare. And there will be no more questions.
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July 19, 2018, 09:43:42 PM
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I suggest admin to show hash future 5k games. Example 705000-710000 hash SHA256 7297db81c2f7916e25b9593f8c8785e1aa1487fa9f3961c50b7cc5f1a541bc82.
And at the end compare. And there will be no more questions.

Daniel already has!

The current game is: 664966, which has a hash of `74543360092eac88c1ff6fcaf74328cce1e93900fbfef9204b5458365eeb2b1a`. What this means is game 664967 when hashed will be `74543360092eac88c1ff6fcaf74328cce1e93900fbfef9204b5458365eeb2b1a`. And you can verify this as soon as game 664967 ends.

But more than this, when game 664967 ends it gives you not only enough information to verify it (check it hashes to 74543360092eac88c1ff6fcaf74328cce1e93900fbfef9204b5458365eeb2b1a) but it also commits to the next game. This is why it's known as a hash chain, and can be repeated until the very end.


So more generally, all games commit to all future games -- and allow you to verify that.


And the next piece of the puzzle is a function that can convert a hash into a game result in a fair way (i.e. having the advertised house edge) and importantly has no concept of a "good" and "bad" hash before the hash chain was created (to avoid daniel creating a biased hash chain), hence the use of the blockchain for a client seed.

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July 20, 2018, 06:40:35 AM
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I suggest admin to show hash future 5k games. Example 705000-710000 hash SHA256 7297db81c2f7916e25b9593f8c8785e1aa1487fa9f3961c50b7cc5f1a541bc82.
And at the end compare. And there will be no more questions.

I suggest you to educate yourself before making false claims, accuses and tell other people to perform actions to refute your baseless theories.

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July 20, 2018, 01:28:37 PM
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I suggested a way to prove justice. That no one had any doubts about juggling hands.
There are seed. All the distributions are known for the front admin. So why not do this?

Example.

GAME #667480-GAME #667486

cd11d221877f686fa16d95ca749838ca0df4e8eed5d52f20eba632520b26c9bf
9ac1a7603e867723875a708a94db81d5377458572cd35f8675f3351eb92aad5d
267bf1cc09f39bc03a3156be3bbba646dcb1921f5ce6a88f130b6cd70c2d7d1f
554aca7806e32edde232b863543722191756e59c5f2b32c27d7ec3ba4cc8585c
31ece5a9e0c34995425b4a2a44208b2d8118712bd27688d39c2939778c506aeb
15441a853f9b82bba7cdcea821d6ac96104ef272ab42f90cbcfd16ce033ea8a4
220e10106ab97bcf2173dd2e50568bbcd4c98157da1041fdcfc0c5b59013d8a8
 
Result SHA256
26a3597e1f7a17034307a51ee8b7a30193519e2e141b8dfcce79679d9dc1f764
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July 20, 2018, 02:29:28 PM
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I suggested a way to prove justice. That no one had any doubts about juggling hands.
There are seed. All the distributions are known for the front admin. So why not do this?

Justice is already proven. Every game commits to the next game in a huge chain. The current proof is simpler and more elegant than your proposed method.
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I suggested a way to prove justice. That no one had any doubts about juggling hands.
There are seed. All the distributions are known for the front admin. So why not do this?

Example.

GAME #667480-GAME #667486

cd11d221877f686fa16d95ca749838ca0df4e8eed5d52f20eba632520b26c9bf
9ac1a7603e867723875a708a94db81d5377458572cd35f8675f3351eb92aad5d
267bf1cc09f39bc03a3156be3bbba646dcb1921f5ce6a88f130b6cd70c2d7d1f
554aca7806e32edde232b863543722191756e59c5f2b32c27d7ec3ba4cc8585c
31ece5a9e0c34995425b4a2a44208b2d8118712bd27688d39c2939778c506aeb
15441a853f9b82bba7cdcea821d6ac96104ef272ab42f90cbcfd16ce033ea8a4
220e10106ab97bcf2173dd2e50568bbcd4c98157da1041fdcfc0c5b59013d8a8
 
Result SHA256
26a3597e1f7a17034307a51ee8b7a30193519e2e141b8dfcce79679d9dc1f764

Your proposed system would allow you to batch verify that N games were predetermined. However it besides the usability problems (you need to collect the result hash, then collect all N games hashes before you can verify) it also suffers a critical flaw:  it doesn't prove the hashes are drawn from a fair distribution. If your scheme was used, Daniel could just pick all bad hashes and then commit to them.

As scant says, the hash chain method is far more elegant and offers all the guarantees yours does, plus more.
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July 20, 2018, 10:31:42 PM
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I suggested a way to prove justice. That no one had any doubts about juggling hands.
There are seed. All the distributions are known for the front admin. So why not do this?

Example.

GAME #667480-GAME #667486

cd11d221877f686fa16d95ca749838ca0df4e8eed5d52f20eba632520b26c9bf
9ac1a7603e867723875a708a94db81d5377458572cd35f8675f3351eb92aad5d
267bf1cc09f39bc03a3156be3bbba646dcb1921f5ce6a88f130b6cd70c2d7d1f
554aca7806e32edde232b863543722191756e59c5f2b32c27d7ec3ba4cc8585c
31ece5a9e0c34995425b4a2a44208b2d8118712bd27688d39c2939778c506aeb
15441a853f9b82bba7cdcea821d6ac96104ef272ab42f90cbcfd16ce033ea8a4
220e10106ab97bcf2173dd2e50568bbcd4c98157da1041fdcfc0c5b59013d8a8
 
Result SHA256
26a3597e1f7a17034307a51ee8b7a30193519e2e141b8dfcce79679d9dc1f764

Your proposed system would allow you to batch verify that N games were predetermined. However it besides the usability problems (you need to collect the result hash, then collect all N games hashes before you can verify) it also suffers a critical flaw:  it doesn't prove the hashes are drawn from a fair distribution. If your scheme was used, Daniel could just pick all bad hashes and then commit to them.

As scant says, the hash chain method is far more elegant and offers all the guarantees yours does, plus more.

Yes, you are right. My method is very complicated and not reliable.
The only 100% way to restart the chain with a new seed. And show the old one to everyone.
But you do not need to do this.
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July 21, 2018, 06:10:13 PM
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Over the past few days KLITZ has won 300 BTC, making him the new record holder on bustabit for highest net profit. Congratulations!


Gotta admit that's a pretty damn impressive profit for KLITZ. Congrats to them.

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July 22, 2018, 05:23:13 AM
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Over the past few days KLITZ has won 300 BTC, making him the new record holder on bustabit for highest net profit. Congratulations!


Gotta admit that's a pretty damn impressive profit for KLITZ. Congrats to them.
he won 1200 coins then lost them all lmao
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