Monero Economy Workgroup - The MEW Thread

[David Latapie]

We are considering changing the URL of the MEW website.

Presently, it is xmrmonero.com, mainly because we had it available

What we have at our disposal:
xmrmonero.com
gomonero.com
xmr-monero.com
go-monero.com

We have to consider both SEO and branding. Starting with "xmr" seems better SEO wise (if there is a dash); starting with "go" seems better branding-wise (the dashed version would probably also help for SEO on "monero").

"Go monero" can be understand as the traditional encouragement, or like the injonction (like "gone Google").

Any feedback appreciated

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[farfiman]

I would go with xmr-monero if you really thinks it needs to be changed.
"go-monero" is kind of...hmm... not serious in my eyes - It makes me think of jumping cheerleaders with pompoms

[binaryFate]

I'm not in MEW, but I agree "gomonero" sounds a bit childish/pumpish.
Doesn't work so well with monero spirit.

[onemorebtc]

i prefer xmr-monero also.
but go-monero could be used as an xmr-educational site. "howto go monero" with examples and case-stories

[David Latapie]

Please vote for only one (othe domain name may be redirected, recycled...). Note that evenif non MEW members are voting too, the final say is only by MEW members.

Update: voters can mention one particular post (that they pledge to update) for rationale for their choice. Remember than you can change your vote (but then, you must explain why).
Votes without a link date from before the arrangement. Remember to follow the voter's links before voting since at least some of them gave rationales about their choice, rationales that could help you choose better.
Undashed versions:
gomonero.com: (0)
mewmonero.com: (0)
moneroeconomyworkgroup.com: (0)
moneroeconomy.com:  (5) David Latapie, binaryFate, GingerAle, warptangent (on IRC),  Lloydimiller4
moneromew.com: (0)
xmreconomy.com: (0)
xmrmonero.com: (4) smooth, 5w00p, Shrikez, papa_lazzarou

Dashed versions:
go-monero.com: (0)
mew-monero.com: (1) Hueristic
monero-economy-workgroup.com: (1) arnuschky
monero-economy.com: (4) NeuroticFish, Jojatekok, equipoise, aminorex
monero-mew.com: (4) Moneromoo, GreekBitcoin, primer-, Quicken
xmr-economy.com: (0)

[Lloydimiller4]

There is a new contestant, proposed by moneromoo and that I like too: monero-mew.com

Please vote for only one (othe domain name may be redirected, recycled...).

xmr-monero.com: (0)
xmrmonero.com: (0)
go-monero.com: (0)
gomonero.com: (0)
monero-mew.com: (3) David Latapie, Moneromoo, Jojatetok

I like monero-mew.com personally

[David Latapie]

Updated and added NeuroticFish's proposals. So you can change your vote if you wish.

[NeuroticFish]

Updated and added NeuroticFish's proposals. So you can change your vote if you wish.

I'm not sure if here is the place to vote or if my vote counts (I heard that you have to pay to vote in MEW?) but my vote goes for monero-economy.com

[ArticMine]

The first question here is what is the primary purpose of the site:

1) A site to promote Monero that happens to be a project of the Monero Economy Workgroup (MEW).
2) A site about the Monero Economy Workgroup (MEW) itself

For 1) The original four choices make sense. In reality there are two choices the pair xmr-monero.com with xmrmonero.com as a 301 redirect and the pair  go-monero.com with gomonero.com as the 301 redirect.
My vote is for xmr-monero.com with xmrmonero.com as the 301 redirect.

For 2) The choice would actually be Monero-Economy-Workgroup.com with MoneroEconomyWorkgroup.com as the 301 redirect since it is the name of the organization.

The site currently at xmrmonero.com is basically 1. It purpose is to promote Monero. The MEW should not make it about itself. There is nothing wrong with the MEW creating a site about itself, but it is fundamentally a different site with an entirely different purpose.

The rationale for xmr-monero.com is very simple. It combines the two main keywords for Monero, name and currency code in one domain in what, regardless of all the the new extensions remains by far the strongest ICANN extension namely .com.  This is backed up by xmr-monero.bit and xmrmonero.bit in the Namecoin root and xmrmonero.com in the ICANN root.

To be fair I honestly do not get monero-mew.com at all, since MEW stands for Monero Economy Workgroup. As for Monero-Economy.com and XMR-Economy.com they seem to indicate confusion as to whether the site is about 1 or 2. The fact that both were proposed does indicate to me that XMR and Monero are the key keywords here.

[GingerAle]

The first question here is what is the primary purpose of the site:

1) A site to promote Monero that happens to be a project of the Monero Economy Workgroup (MEW).
2) A site about the Monero Economy Workgroup (MEW) itself

For 1) The original four choices make sense. In reality there are two choices the pair xmr-monero.com with xmrmonero.com as a 301 redirect and the pair  go-monero.com with gomonero.com as the 301 redirect.
My vote is for xmr-monero.com with xmrmonero.com as the 301 redirect.

For 2) The choice would actually be Monero-Economy-Workgroup.com with MoneroEconomyWorkgroup.com as the 301 redirect since it is the name of the organization.

The site currently at xmrmonero.com is basically 1. It purpose is to promote Monero. The MEW should not make it about itself. There is nothing wrong with the MEW creating a site about itself, but it is fundamentally a different site with an entirely different purpose.

The rationale for xmr-monero.com is very simple. It combines the two main keywords for Monero, name and currency code in one domain in what, regardless of all the the new extensions remains by far the strongest ICANN extension namely .com.  This is backed up by xmr-monero.bit and xmrmonero.bit in the Namecoin root and xmrmonero.com in the ICANN root.

To be fair I honestly do not get monero-mew.com at all, since MEW stands for Monero Economy Workgroup. As for Monero-Economy.com and XMR-Economy.com they seem to indicate confusion as to whether the site is about 1 or 2. The fact that both were proposed does indicate to me that XMR and Monero are the key keywords here.

^^ what he said.

also posting in order to get updates from this thread.

[smooth]

Agree with most of the comments by ArticMine, however I do not like hyphenated domain names at all. They not generally used except by one-off sites (landing pages for campaigns for example), and it wouldn't surprise me in fact if they get automatically penalized (a little at least) in some forms of SEO. Even multiword domain names are usually just strung together, not hyphenated (sometimes  stylistically rendered using CamelCase, though even that seems to have gone out of style). This is bitcointalk not bitcoin-talk.

[David Latapie]

Smooth, shall I understand you are voting for xmrmonero.com?

The list is updated with feedback from both the ANN and the MEW thread - the votes on the two URL below have kept in sync. Please everyone review if your intent is on par with what is written.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg10417386#msg10417386 (ANN list)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=776479.msg10417348#msg10417348 (MEW list)

[smooth]

Smooth, shall I understand you are voting for xmrmonero.com?

I didn't see the actual vote yet but sure.

I'd futher add to what ArticMine said, which is that perhaps there should even be two different sites (they can of course link to each other and/or share content where appropriate): 1) The MEW site itself (about MEW) and a new-user-focused outreach, promotion, and education site (which can be viewed more as a "project" of MEW according to the original charter). Various names like monero-economy and monero-mew make a lot of sense for 1) but not for 2). The main difference would be naming and the front page.

[smooth]

Also, one more thing. I see no harm in a forum poll to discuss ideas but a final decision should be made by the MEW membership. This should include an explicit statement of the budget for the project (which could be zero if all resources are being donated).

[David Latapie]

I didn't see the actual vote yet but sure.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg10417386#msg10417386
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=776479.msg10417348#msg10417348

I'd futher add to what ArticMine said, which is that perhaps there should even be two different sites (they can of course link to each other and/or share content where appropriate): 1) The MEW site itself (about MEW) and a new-user-focused outreach, promotion, and education site (which can be viewed more as a "project" of MEW according to the original charter). Various names like monero-economy and monero-mew make a lot of sense for 1) but not for 2). The main difference would be naming and the front page.

An "about" page and a "member's section" should suffice, no? I'd rather avoid multiplying website. This is one of the reason I chose Drupal: a wiki, a forum, a corporate website, a blog farm an e-commerce site, a CRM... all in the same box with the same look and feel and credential and without bloating it like a WordPress attempt would.

Also, one more thing. I see no harm in a forum poll to discuss ideas but a final decision should be made by the MEW membership. This should include an explicit statement of the budget for the project (which could be zero if all resources are being donated).

Updated the posts.

Latest "snapshot". Up-to-date list here (ANN) and here (ANN):

monero-mew.com: (3) Moneromoo, GreekBitcoin, Lloydimiller4
xmr-monero.com: (3) florida.haunted, ArticMine, GingerAle
xmrmonero.com: (1) smooth
go-monero.com: (0)
gomonero.com: (0)
xmr-economy.com: (1) 5w00p
monero-economy.com: (4) David Latapie, NeuroticFish, Jojatekok, equipoise
monero-economy-workgroup.com: (1) arnuschky
mew-monero.com: (1) Hueristic

[smooth]

An "about" page and a "member's section" should suffice, no?

Maybe, but I see a lot of confusion on the focus of these names, as ArticMine pointed out. A lot of the names like monero-economy, I really wonder whether those make sense as an outreach an educational site for new users. But it certainly does make sense as an organizational site.

As an exmaple of what I'm (and I think ArticMine is) talking about, compare the content and naming of bitcoin.org and bitcoinfoundation.org (again note the lack of a hyphen -- why are we going off and doing what almost nobody else does with their site name?). They are very different in terms of organization, branding and focus. The latter is clearly the site of an organization and the former is educational information for new users.

[ArticMine]

One aspect of this vote that is important is that there are two different issues here. The word combination and whether to use a dash or not. So we should vote on pairs xmrmonero.com / xmr-monero.com vs gomonero.com / go-monero.com vs moneromerw.com / monero-mew.com and then decide on the use of dash or not as the primary domain with the other domain in the pair as the 301 redirect.

I will be using xmrmonero.com / xmr-monero.com as the example since that is the pair I support. The non dash version is considered by far the stronger domain and is by far the most readable when used. It is also the best when the domain is communicated orally. The only advantage of the dashed domain is a possible slight advantage in SEO; however this is counterbalanced by the possibility that it could be considered aggressive SEO and be penalized. My own experience with using the dash vs no dash version on my own websites is comparable SEO results with a very slight bias in favour of the dash version. For everything else the non dash version wins hands down. For this SEO reason I had a very slight preference for the dash version and voted accordingly.

smooth has made a very strong case in favour of the non dash version which is way more than enough to swing my vote in favour of the non dash version. So I am changing my vote to xmrmonero.com.

[ArticMine]

An "about" page and a "member's section" should suffice, no?

Maybe, but I see a lot of confusion on the focus of these names, as ArticMine pointed out. A lot of the names like monero-economy, I really wonder whether those make sense as an outreach an educational site for new users. But it certainly does make sense as an organizational site.

As an exmaple of what I'm (and I think ArticMine is) talking about, compare the content and naming of bitcoin.org and bitcoinfoundation.org (again note the lack of a hyphen -- why are we going off and doing what almost nobody else does with their site name?). They are very different in terms of organization, branding and focus. The latter is clearly the site of an organization and the former is educational information for new users.

Yes the distinction between bitcoin.org and bitcoinfoundation.org is what I am talking about.

[smooth]

ArticMine I'm not at all an expert on SEO and you seem to know something about it, so I would ask whether xmr not being a word makes a difference. I'm thinking that bitcoinfoundation may be parsed by search engines as "bitcoin foundation", as would likewise moneroeconomy, but xmrmonero but they might have trouble with?

I also wonder how much domain names matter to SEO. Isn't it mostly based on linking? I would think any of these sites would become well-linked on the web from all sorts of cryptocurrency sites and articles as long as Monero continues to grow and MEW continues to be active in efforts to promote it.

[David Latapie]

Massive update on the voting list, please check