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March 23, 2013, 02:34:58 AM
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It has paid, all good.

The winner messaged me, he is very happy. He wrote me a somewhat inspiring email about what he plans to do with the winnings. Congrats to him and his family Smiley

Do you get equally inspiring emails from ppl who lose their family savings gambling at sd? Sleep well at night?

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March 23, 2013, 03:24:33 AM
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It has paid, all good.

The winner messaged me, he is very happy. He wrote me a somewhat inspiring email about what he plans to do with the winnings. Congrats to him and his family Smiley

Do you get equally inspiring emails from ppl who lose their family savings gambling at sd? Sleep well at night?
How is that his problem? He is simply offering a service.

Yes a service. It is not a problem for those who do not care.
I am sure a drug dealer thinks the same way. He/she is just offering a service, right?
When minors gamble via sd, that is just a service. It aint sd's fault right?

My statement was a reverse play on the rosy picture his post paints. A lucky win for a guy and his family! Good fortune for them!
What they can do with this windfall is amazing. It makes me feel so cheery.

But hey.. For that guy to win there were a metric crap ton of losers. Perhaps a loser who blew the family savings. We do not hear about those folks. That is bad for business.

I guess reading between the lines is a lost art around here. But whatever. Those with critical thinking skills got it. It is a common mistake not to think about your actions and what harm it could cause to others. But if one does not care... Well it aint a problem, right?

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March 23, 2013, 03:33:51 AM
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Yes a service. It is not a problem for those who do not care.
I am sure a drug dealer thinks the same way. He/she is just offering a service, right?
When minors gamble via sd, that is just a service. It aint sd's fault right?

My statement was a reverse play on the rosy picture his post paints. A lucky win for a guy and his family! Good fortune for them!
What they can do with this windfall is amazing. It makes me feel so cheery.

But hey.. For that guy to win there were a metric crap ton of losers. Perhaps a loser who blew the family savings. We do not hear about those folks. That is bad for business.

I guess reading between the lines is a lost art around here. But whatever. Those with critical thinking skills got it. It is a common mistake not to think about your actions and what harm it could cause to others. But if one does not care... Well it aint a problem, right?

There is a reason they call the lottery a 'stupid tax', the only people that play are those that are too stupid to realize how slim their chances are, and those who do it for fun. For the latter, who cares, it's their money. For the former, well, you can't fix stupid.
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March 23, 2013, 04:32:46 AM
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'stupid tax', 'tax on stupidity', 'tax on poor', I already have heard a lot of this, but it's bullshit to me. Stupid is a person that spend more money then they can afford having sure that these tickets WILL give them the prize. But c'mon, I play lotteries a lot when the jackpot is worth for me, and let me say, is good to dream about it. "what will I do if I win?". Yes, the chances are slim, but the chance of winning exist as people already won the big jackpot. My advise, don't be so "Math Wise" and allow you to dream a little, this will be good for you.

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March 23, 2013, 04:44:52 AM
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'stupid tax', 'tax on stupidity', 'tax on poor', I already have heard a lot of this, but it's bullshit to me. Stupid is a person that spend more money then they can afford having sure that these tickets WILL give them the prize. But c'mon, I play lotteries a lot when the jackpot is worth for me, and let me say, is good to dream about it. "what will I do if I win?". Yes, the chances are slim, but the chance of winning exist as people already won the big jackpot. My advise, don't be so "Math Wise" and allow you to dream a little, this will be good for you.

Yes, and those are the people who play it for fun.
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March 23, 2013, 05:26:40 AM
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There's a lack of human empathy bordering on sociopathic to lump all people who play the lottery that aren't in it for fun stupid. I'm sure there are plenty of very sad human stories leading up to many of those bad decisions.

Me? I'm just the cynical voice floating in the sea of unchecked optimism.
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March 23, 2013, 08:00:07 AM
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Yes a service. It is not a problem for those who do not care.
I am sure a drug dealer thinks the same way. He/she is just offering a service, right?
When minors gamble via sd, that is just a service. It aint sd's fault right?

My statement was a reverse play on the rosy picture his post paints. A lucky win for a guy and his family! Good fortune for them!
What they can do with this windfall is amazing. It makes me feel so cheery.

But hey.. For that guy to win there were a metric crap ton of losers. Perhaps a loser who blew the family savings. We do not hear about those folks. That is bad for business.

I guess reading between the lines is a lost art around here. But whatever. Those with critical thinking skills got it. It is a common mistake not to think about your actions and what harm it could cause to others. But if one does not care... Well it aint a problem, right?

What if some person reading your post above suddenly decides to cheat on her husband on 15 years because of it? And gets caught (because of it)? Have you thought about that? Oh, it's easy not to think about what harm your actions could cause others, isn't it! Keyword being of course "could", and their own estimation being the criteria, especially in retrospect.

Way to go. If this is critical thinking then we must be on backwards planet and you must be a really smart guy.

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March 23, 2013, 09:30:35 AM
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It has paid, all good.

The winner messaged me, he is very happy. He wrote me a somewhat inspiring email about what he plans to do with the winnings. Congrats to him and his family Smiley

Do you get equally inspiring emails from ppl who lose their family savings gambling at sd? Sleep well at night?
How is that his problem? He is simply offering a service.

Yes a service. It is not a problem for those who do not care.
I am sure a drug dealer thinks the same way. He/she is just offering a service, right?
When minors gamble via sd, that is just a service. It aint sd's fault right?

My statement was a reverse play on the rosy picture his post paints. A lucky win for a guy and his family! Good fortune for them!
What they can do with this windfall is amazing. It makes me feel so cheery.

But hey.. For that guy to win there were a metric crap ton of losers. Perhaps a loser who blew the family savings. We do not hear about those folks. That is bad for business.

I guess reading between the lines is a lost art around here. But whatever. Those with critical thinking skills got it. It is a common mistake not to think about your actions and what harm it could cause to others. But if one does not care... Well it aint a problem, right?

Gambling services will always be around. It only becomes are problem when it's an addiction.

In this respect gambling services are like drug dealers and priests, and banning them or even trying to convince their customers to stop using them, is pointless. Prohibitions against gambling, drugs and religion have been attempted at various times and such prohibitions simply don't work.

Interventions generally don't work very well for the most addicted. You just end up waiting for everything to fall apart and then try help them put it all back together, until it happens again.

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March 23, 2013, 06:03:08 PM
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Excuse me, but how is Random Number Generator of SatoshiDice.com works? What is maximum number? 64001?

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March 23, 2013, 07:10:20 PM
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Excuse me, but how is Random Number Generator of SatoshiDice.com works? What is maximum number? 64001?
iirc, the random number generation of satoshidice is done by taking the trailing few numbers of a hash of your transaction which sent the bet and plus the secret number.

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The lucky number used to determine the winner of games is simple. It is simply the first bytes of hmac_sha512(secert,txid:out_idx). That would be the secret string as the key and the transaction ID of your bet transaction as the data.

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March 24, 2013, 12:44:53 PM
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Excuse me, but how is Random Number Generator of SatoshiDice.com works? What is maximum number? 64001?
I'm not quite sure, but for programming reasons I'm seriously expecting the maximum number to be 65535.

It's a ridiculous oversight to not state the maximum number on the site. Also, the reasons why the number is so large is major geekery, as is getting the type of game branded "dice" in the whole bitcoin field while it more resembles wheel of fortune or such. Well, we oldtimers dot always understand the modern times...

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March 24, 2013, 07:43:55 PM
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I'm not quite sure, but for programming reasons I'm seriously expecting the maximum number to be 65535.

It's a ridiculous oversight to not state the maximum number on the site. Also, the reasons why the number is so large is major geekery

The range is 0 to 65535 inclusive.

In PHP, the magic number can be calculated as:
  hexdec(substr(hash_hmac('sha512', "$txid:$nout", $secret), 0, 4))

ie. the first 4 hex characters of the sha512 hmac of (the transaction id, a colon, and the output number) with the daily secret.  As a decimal.

There's a webpage that independently calculates your random numbers given the daily secret and the bet transaction ID.

I never noticed that it doesn't state the range of the random number anywhere on site before.  That is surprising.

If the range wasn't so big, they couldn't offer a 64000x payout unless they generated multiple numbers per bet.

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March 24, 2013, 10:50:15 PM
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March 24, 2013, 11:46:57 PM
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Can someone please confirm that SD now requires 1 confirmation for ANY size bet?

I've found when betting from blockchain that the bet will go through but then the result won't appear until both bet and result are sealed in a block.

However, when looking from a bitcoind attached to the network, I see the bet go through, and I then often (not always) see the result come through unconfirmed before the bet and result are sealed in a block - so I will see the result on my bitcoin-qt but not see it on blockchain.info, even pushing refresh.

I still think bets of 2 BTC and above need a block, but I'm thinking that with bets below 2 BTC somehow the results aren't seen by blockchain until they are in a block.

So if you want to bet below 2 BTC and want 'instant' results, I recommend using a fully connected bitcoin node.

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March 27, 2013, 04:24:44 PM
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I've found when betting from blockchain that the bet will go through but then the result won't appear until both bet and result are sealed in a block.

That seems odd.  blockchain.info usually shows unconfirmed transactions.

Anyway, I wanted to report a bug.  I often see the following when I request http://www.satoshidice.com/lookup.php?format=json&tx=...

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We at. (Just not right now.)Too many connections

but never thought anything of it.  The message is kind of weird, but most players never request the json page and so won't see it.  But yesterday I went to the main satoshidice.com front page and saw the exact same message where the list of betting addresses should have been.

If a message is going to be shown to your users, it's best to make it a little more professional looking than "We at.", dig?

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March 27, 2013, 10:47:02 PM
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Site seems down?  Anyone know why?
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March 27, 2013, 11:20:00 PM
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March 28, 2013, 12:20:54 AM
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dont think bets are going through
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March 28, 2013, 02:10:32 AM
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So it's not just my client as usual that is not receiving wins/losses.

I do have to say the BTC network is doggy at best on a good day.  I have transactions that will take hours to get confirmed and the transaction details are in blockchain.info.  Ive had some take over 24 hours, and others take many hours to get returned or get a confirmation.  Seems pretty ridiculous if this is supposed to be a global net based commodity that confirmations take hours even when the tx fee is included.
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March 28, 2013, 03:42:03 AM
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So it's not just my client as usual that is not receiving wins/losses.

I do have to say the BTC network is doggy at best on a good day.  I have transactions that will take hours to get confirmed and the transaction details are in blockchain.info.  Ive had some take over 24 hours, and others take many hours to get returned or get a confirmation.  Seems pretty ridiculous if this is supposed to be a global net based commodity that confirmations take hours even when the tx fee is included.

Yup;  tho there's enough discussion points in this for several threadnoughts.

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