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Question: Should Just-Dice reopen for business  (Voting closed: September 25, 2014, 02:14:43 AM)
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September 17, 2014, 05:34:45 PM
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I miss just-dice Sad It was the only way I ever made coins off a dice site. But I can see why not that many other sites are doing the whole "invest in this site" shabang. It's a lot more profitable for them not to do it.

not many people have a large chunk of money that they can use for the house bankroll when starting off.  but i agree, most people underestimate the responsibility and the amount of work that goes into doing crowdfunded-investment style sites.
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September 17, 2014, 06:05:47 PM
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I can se where you are coming from dooglus.

There is no way in hell people can be protected from evil people.

What you can protect people from is incompetence! You could provide the code that works in open source format, and good incompetent people could have a chance to run a dice without having actual bugs.

You cant protect people from evil.
You can protect people from stupid.

Personally I think someone should invent a decentralized dice software. Dont know if that is possible but we have made a fucking Payment system! Why shouldn't dice be possible?
No single man should be trusted with thousands and thousands of dollars, the temptation is just too big.

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September 17, 2014, 07:42:03 PM
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Personally I think someone should invent a decentralized dice software. Dont know if that is possible but we have made a fucking Payment system! Why shouldn't dice be possible?


If someone does, we can kiss 1%+ monthly profits from investing in the bankroll goodbye Wink
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September 17, 2014, 08:53:52 PM
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Doog has said elsewhere that he does not anticipate re-opening Just-Dice as it would require him re-locating to a different country and he likes it just fine where he is at in Canada.  He said he does not miss running Just-Dice. 

Perhaps he could sell licenses to the Just-Dice software or sell it outright to another.  I don't know if that would impact any Canadian laws or not.  Just a thought.

When I saw dicebitco.in running well, attracting a large bankroll, having good customer support, etc. I felt like there was no need for Just-Dice to exist. It looked like DB would fill the position.

Then they were caught cheating, and Mateo appeared and went on a streak that would be unlikely even for nakowa to achieve, all the investors left or got destroyed, and I'm left thinking maybe we do need Just-Dice back.

I don't need to run it, from a financial point of view, but I like the idea that there's somewhere trustworthy that people can rest their coins and have a reasonable expectation of making a profit. Maybe some of the existing places are trustworthy, but I don't know how to tell any more.

As for licensing the software, I think that's kind of missing the point. Anyone can develop equivalent or better software pretty easily. What people need is to be able to trust the site's operator not to run off with their coins, and not to play against them using the server seeds. That "trustability" is not something that can be licensed out.

So for the moment I'm invested (a little) in dice.ninja, and contemplating whether to take up one of the many offers I've received from people who seem happy to set up offshore companies that will run JD legally, while I have exclusive control of the server and the day-to-day running of operations. As of right now I'm happy not to have to worry about safeguarding investor funds, or when the next whale attack is coming - but I guess I'll get back into the game at some point.

I would definitely like it if you reopened! I think you have a very good site and I would definitely play again soon if you reopened.

Off topic question, dooglus... Is that the sock puppet from "Coupling: Jane and the Truth Snake?"

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September 17, 2014, 09:05:19 PM
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Doog, if you've been planning for years to pull of the biggest long con in the relatively short history of bitcoin, you'd tell us, right? Given the alternatives I'd probably still take my chances hoping you'd change your mind on the con. :-P
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September 17, 2014, 10:14:58 PM
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I can se where you are coming from dooglus.

There is no way in hell people can be protected from evil people.

What you can protect people from is incompetence! You could provide the code that works in open source format, and good incompetent people could have a chance to run a dice without having actual bugs.

You cant protect people from evil.
You can protect people from stupid.

Personally I think someone should invent a decentralized dice software. Dont know if that is possible but we have made a fucking Payment system! Why shouldn't dice be possible?
No single man should be trusted with thousands and thousands of dollars, the temptation is just too big.



Who would pay for the bankroll?
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September 17, 2014, 10:29:38 PM
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uh... you can't protect people from stupid.

doog, think about what I said.

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September 18, 2014, 12:04:08 AM
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Doog has said elsewhere that he does not anticipate re-opening Just-Dice as it would require him re-locating to a different country and he likes it just fine where he is at in Canada.  He said he does not miss running Just-Dice. 

Perhaps he could sell licenses to the Just-Dice software or sell it outright to another.  I don't know if that would impact any Canadian laws or not.  Just a thought.

When I saw dicebitco.in running well, attracting a large bankroll, having good customer support, etc. I felt like there was no need for Just-Dice to exist. It looked like DB would fill the position.

Then they were caught cheating, and Mateo appeared and went on a streak that would be unlikely even for nakowa to achieve, all the investors left or got destroyed, and I'm left thinking maybe we do need Just-Dice back.

I don't need to run it, from a financial point of view, but I like the idea that there's somewhere trustworthy that people can rest their coins and have a reasonable expectation of making a profit. Maybe some of the existing places are trustworthy, but I don't know how to tell any more.

As for licensing the software, I think that's kind of missing the point. Anyone can develop equivalent or better software pretty easily. What people need is to be able to trust the site's operator not to run off with their coins, and not to play against them using the server seeds. That "trustability" is not something that can be licensed out.

So for the moment I'm invested (a little) in dice.ninja, and contemplating whether to take up one of the many offers I've received from people who seem happy to set up offshore companies that will run JD legally, while I have exclusive control of the server and the day-to-day running of operations. As of right now I'm happy not to have to worry about safeguarding investor funds, or when the next whale attack is coming - but I guess I'll get back into the game at some point.

When I first saw this thread I thought that the OP needed to change the title, but seeing this post gives me hope.  I think you returning to the "dice" game would be very welcome by almost everyone except maybe the owners of the other dice sites.

Thanks for even considering it.

I also really appreciate all your posts laying out exactly how operators can cheat players and their investors.  Thanks.
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September 18, 2014, 12:13:32 AM
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Personally I think someone should invent a decentralized dice software. Dont know if that is possible but we have made a fucking Payment system! Why shouldn't dice be possible?

If someone does, we can kiss 1%+ monthly profits from investing in the bankroll goodbye Wink

Why would having the game be decentralised mean that it wouldn't need investors? It seems to me like you could kiss the 10% commission goodbye, not the profits.

Off topic question, dooglus... Is that the sock puppet from "Coupling: Jane and the Truth Snake?"

I don't know. I did a reverse image search on Zaih(?)'s avatar, found it was one of a series of similar sockpuppets, and picked one of the others. I believe mem picked the third. I forget why exactly, but I think someone was accusing us of being sockpuppets, so it was "funny".

Doog, if you've been planning for years to pull of the biggest long con in the relatively short history of bitcoin, you'd tell us, right? Given the alternatives I'd probably still take my chances hoping you'd change your mind on the con. :-P

I wouldn't tell you. That would be a mistake, and damage my chances of success. However, if I was planning any kind of a con I would have pulled the trigger before the "give everyone their coins back" part kicked in. Although as it turns out not everyone seems to want their coins back.

I find it funny that the leftover unclaimed "dust" from the JD bankroll amounts to more than the active bankroll of almost any other dice site.

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September 18, 2014, 01:35:56 AM
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I wouldn't tell you. That would be a mistake, and damage my chances of success. However, if I was planning any kind of a con I would have pulled the trigger before the "give everyone their coins back" part kicked in. Although as it turns out not everyone seems to want their coins back.

I find it funny that the leftover unclaimed "dust" from the JD bankroll amounts to more than the active bankroll of almost any other dice site.

Wow, there's still 1K still waiting to be claimed?
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September 18, 2014, 05:52:20 AM
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I wouldn't tell you. That would be a mistake, and damage my chances of success. However, if I was planning any kind of a con I would have pulled the trigger before the "give everyone their coins back" part kicked in. Although as it turns out not everyone seems to want their coins back.

I find it funny that the leftover unclaimed "dust" from the JD bankroll amounts to more than the active bankroll of almost any other dice site.

Wow, there's still 1K still waiting to be claimed?

maybe a donation for providing a good service
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September 19, 2014, 01:14:16 AM
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I can se where you are coming from dooglus.

There is no way in hell people can be protected from evil people.

What you can protect people from is incompetence! You could provide the code that works in open source format, and good incompetent people could have a chance to run a dice without having actual bugs.

You cant protect people from evil.
You can protect people from stupid.

Personally I think someone should invent a decentralized dice software. Dont know if that is possible but we have made a fucking Payment system! Why shouldn't dice be possible?
No single man should be trusted with thousands and thousands of dollars, the temptation is just too big.



Who would pay for the bankroll?

Anyone who wanted to. (Including me)
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September 19, 2014, 12:53:11 PM
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Personally I think someone should invent a decentralized dice software. Dont know if that is possible but we have made a fucking Payment system! Why shouldn't dice be possible?

If someone does, we can kiss 1%+ monthly profits from investing in the bankroll goodbye Wink

Why would having the game be decentralised mean that it wouldn't need investors? It seems to me like you could kiss the 10% commission goodbye, not the profits.

Off topic question, dooglus... Is that the sock puppet from "Coupling: Jane and the Truth Snake?"

I don't know. I did a reverse image search on Zaih(?)'s avatar, found it was one of a series of similar sockpuppets, and picked one of the others. I believe mem picked the third. I forget why exactly, but I think someone was accusing us of being sockpuppets, so it was "funny".

Doog, if you've been planning for years to pull of the biggest long con in the relatively short history of bitcoin, you'd tell us, right? Given the alternatives I'd probably still take my chances hoping you'd change your mind on the con. :-P

I wouldn't tell you. That would be a mistake, and damage my chances of success. However, if I was planning any kind of a con I would have pulled the trigger before the "give everyone their coins back" part kicked in. Although as it turns out not everyone seems to want their coins back.

I find it funny that the leftover unclaimed "dust" from the JD bankroll amounts to more than the active bankroll of almost any other dice site.


I claim that it is mine.  There, now it is no longer unclaimed.  problem solved Smiley
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November 12, 2014, 07:34:56 AM
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Poll seems to suggest people are in favour of Just-Dice reopening! So whats the plans?!  Huh

The Bitcoin Dice community definitely needs something/someone that can be trusted!

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November 12, 2014, 08:18:25 AM
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[...] we have some catching up to do [...]
[...] eager to start regaining your trust [...]

Both of these lines make it sound like you were responsible for the dicebitco.in debacle!






makes you think twice
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November 12, 2014, 05:28:42 PM
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[...] we have some catching up to do [...]
[...] eager to start regaining your trust [...]

Both of these lines make it sound like you were responsible for the dicebitco.in debacle!

makes you think twice

Indeed. That was a weird post by T04D, especially in light of what ended up happening.

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November 12, 2014, 06:23:46 PM
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Doog is going to reopen JD ?
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November 12, 2014, 08:23:22 PM
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[...] we have some catching up to do [...]
[...] eager to start regaining your trust [...]

Both of these lines make it sound like you were responsible for the dicebitco.in debacle!

makes you think twice

Indeed. That was a weird post by T04D, especially in light of what ended up happening.



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November 12, 2014, 08:24:22 PM
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Doog is going to reopen JD ?

No, why?
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November 12, 2014, 08:25:31 PM
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Doog is going to reopen JD ?

Everyone is hoping he does, because of the state of number of scams happened recently.

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