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May 04, 2012, 03:30:07 PM
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nope, were flying the bitcoin flag, we our sovereign.

Now if you wanted to fly say a Liberian flag, sure you have to follow Liberian rules, which state no firearms on civilian vessels.

Ah, no.  It doesn't matter what flag you fly, civilian vessels may not have weapons.  Otherwise they are a valid target of war.  That is stated explicitly in an international treaty called "the law of the sea".

Who signed this treaty and who enforces its rules?

Most nation-states large enough to have their own navy, google is your friend here.  As to who enforces the rules, if you have weapons on board and enter Liberian waters, or even close enough that they can forciblely board your ship, if weapons are found on your boat most nations arrest you.  Liberia might just shoot you and drop you overboard.  Either way, your next of kin get nothing and there is not a thing that your country is going to do to help you.  Yes, China has signed the treaty.  That same treaty is why military vessels cannot enter soverign waters unless those nations have agreements, and why China & Japan keep getting into small fights over a few useless islands between them, because both nations claim them.

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May 04, 2012, 03:36:36 PM
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nope, were flying the bitcoin flag, we our sovereign.

Now if you wanted to fly say a Liberian flag, sure you have to follow Liberian rules, which state no firearms on civilian vessels.

Ah, no.  It doesn't matter what flag you fly, civilian vessels may not have weapons.  Otherwise they are a valid target of war.  That is stated explicitly in an international treaty called "the law of the sea".

Who signed this treaty and who enforces its rules?


Edit: I wikied this and it seems the USA did not bother to sign... So Americans can do what they want as long as teh UN does not come down on them?

The US doesn't sign a lot of international treaties, but still acts like we did.  If an American is found with a weapon, otherwise properly registered, 10 miles off the coast of Florida, registered in the state of Florida and the boat he is going to an American jail.  Firearms are prohibited for Americans on private vessels because the US State Department doesn't want to deal with all of the crap that would go with Americans packing heat in foreign ports.

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May 04, 2012, 03:40:56 PM
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nope, were flying the bitcoin flag, we our sovereign.

Now if you wanted to fly say a Liberian flag, sure you have to follow Liberian rules, which state no firearms on civilian vessels.

Ah, no.  It doesn't matter what flag you fly, civilian vessels may not have weapons.  Otherwise they are a valid target of war.  That is stated explicitly in an international treaty called "the law of the sea".

Our vessel flying the bitcoin flag is sovereign!!  Any who fail to recognize that sovereignity will have all their bitcoins taken away Wink  We'll use weapons of mass encryption!!
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May 04, 2012, 04:31:21 PM
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Ah, no.  It doesn't matter what flag you fly, civilian vessels may not have weapons.  Otherwise they are a valid target of war.  That is stated explicitly in an international treaty called "the law of the sea".

Who signed this treaty and who enforces its rules?

Most nation-states large enough to have their own navy, google is your friend here.  As to who enforces the rules, if you have weapons on board and enter Liberian waters, or even close enough that they can forciblely board your ship, if weapons are found on your boat most nations arrest you. 

What if you keep in international waters? I mean, your guns never leave international waters.

Not being allowed to have guns at all would be a show stopper to many potential seasteads...
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May 04, 2012, 04:39:36 PM
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If your sovereign you can have whatever you want, if someone bigger then you comes and takes it away, your fucked.   Rules/Laws are  a construct of man.

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May 04, 2012, 04:44:59 PM
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Why stationary? Just let's buy an old ship and let's run any profitable biz that we can conceive in international waters, from a casino to pirate hosting/no-tax commerce/weed shop/animal pr0n/SHTF resort/what have you.

You can add monkey knife fight to the list.
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May 04, 2012, 06:18:24 PM
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I talked to someone about buying this today. It looks like a good deal but after insurance and required repairs it could be a very expensive and useless property. Perhaps a business like a SCUBA center  would work here?  I just want it for a weekend rave.  Lips sealed

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May 04, 2012, 06:35:08 PM
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Why stationary? Just let's buy an old ship and let's run any profitable biz that we can conceive in international waters, from a casino to pirate hosting/no-tax commerce/weed shop/animal pr0n/SHTF resort/what have you.

You can add monkey knife fight to the list.

This is how I imagine our floating casino:
http://youtu.be/Dh5-PCnLkOg

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May 05, 2012, 04:43:59 PM
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Why stationary? Just let's buy an old ship and let's run any profitable biz that we can conceive in international waters, from a casino to pirate hosting/no-tax commerce/weed shop/animal pr0n/SHTF resort/what have you.

You can add monkey knife fight to the list.

This is how I imagine our floating casino:
http://youtu.be/Dh5-PCnLkOg
Who is the asian guy with the eye-patch, Satoshi Nakamoto?

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May 05, 2012, 08:08:08 PM
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nope, were flying the bitcoin flag, we our sovereign.

Now if you wanted to fly say a Liberian flag, sure you have to follow Liberian rules, which state no firearms on civilian vessels.

Ah, no.  It doesn't matter what flag you fly, civilian vessels may not have weapons.  Otherwise they are a valid target of war.  That is stated explicitly in an international treaty called "the law of the sea".

Who signed this treaty and who enforces its rules?


Edit: I wikied this and it seems the USA did not bother to sign... So Americans can do what they want as long as teh UN does not come down on them?

My landlord is a merchant mariner, and I asked him about this. His reply was that Americans can and do carry, which is why pirates don't attack American vessels. (Probably also because the U.S. navy would kick their asses pretty quickly.)

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