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July 04, 2015, 01:56:32 PM
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Hey, I don't mind the money-earning aspect of it.  If somebody feels that the best way for them to get a few Satoshis on the side, more power to them.  While I think it's a bit of a selfish argument - "don't ban signature campaigns because me me me" - the flip side can be argued to be just as selfish - "ban them because *I* don't like seeing them".  That's why I just use that script to get 'm off my screen.

But aside from seeing them directly, the impact should be clear on posting habits:

( If anybody wants to raise a hand about quantity being irrelevant if the quality is there: you're right - go ahead, read the posts, make up your own mind on that, as that's highly subjective. )

And potential other side effects:
What do I mean is, buy a Sr+ Member account and enroll in Signature campaigns.
That way you are sure that your investment will pay back and make you profit.
how much does a sr. account cost and where can i buy it?

I very much wish that this wasn't completely endemic among signature campaigns, that signature campaigns would be used by people as a reward for quality content that they were already posting anyway or even provided incentive to provide better content - i.e. the payment being the means to an end.  Instead the accumulation of the rewards is largely seen as the end, and posting, account buying, etc. is the means to that end.  That, unfortunately, is something a script can't fix.

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July 05, 2015, 04:56:35 PM
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One recent development from the dadice people is a chance to earn a reward for reporting spam/low quality posts from their participants.  They've got a form set up here

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/12aDTSEdbxwoVSofxj8RdmwPyr8Mf-h6rO2I_VNURkzc/viewform?c=0&w=1

and if someone is causing a problem in a thread by spamming/posting insignificant stuff/disrupting then they want to know and they suggest that they may pay rewards for the report.  I know I wish that other campaigns had this, the coinomat one seems especially pernicious these days---I see lots of low-quality stuff posted with coinomat sponsorship.

Anyway, I think it's related here because it turns the incentive back the other way, allowing people to make money by reporting and cleaning up excessive/useless posting.  If more advertizing campaigns were doing this kind of thing, I think we wouldn't have this many pages on the "delete signatures already" thread.

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July 06, 2015, 07:26:14 AM
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I personally go out of my way to avoid any company or site that advertises by spamming the forum's as well as ignoring anyone with a paid  signature
If everyone did the same it would be up to the advertiser to police their own spamming campaign
And the forum may be rid of the blight that weighs it down currently....
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July 06, 2015, 01:37:13 PM
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Are you guys blind or what? It's just this easy. If you are disturbed by signatures do this, if not then why complain? Let others be free to earn some money Smiley


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July 06, 2015, 02:24:00 PM
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Are you guys blind or what? It's just this easy. If you are disturbed by signatures do this, if not then why complain? Let others be free to earn some money Smiley
You might be; or at the very least you didn't bother to read this thread.  That checkbox has been pointed out several times, the reasons why people may not want to use that checkbox have also been discussed, and hiding (campaign) signatures alone does nothing with regard to the other side effects also discussed before, as recent as 3 posts above yours.

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July 06, 2015, 02:24:35 PM
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Are you guys blind or what? It's just this easy. If you are disturbed by signatures do this, if not then why complain? Let others be free to earn some money Smiley

No, we aren't blind.  But doing what you suggest would be a HORRIBLE idea.  Right now, the only way I know who is likely to be wasting my time with useless drivel and terrible advice is by looking at their signature.  If they have an ad, then I know to immediately ignore anything they say.  If they don't have an ad, then I know that they aren't being paid for posting nonsense so there's a reasonable chance that they have something worthwhile to say.

If I mark the checkbox that you are suggesting, then how am I going to know who to ignore?

In case you haven't figured it out yet, the problem isn't "seeing the ads".  The problem is that sig ad campaigns create a financial incentive to create multiple accounts and spam the forum with as much useless nonsense as possible in order in increase the revenue of the participant.  This makes it very difficult to find any intelligent conversation in the forum since the noise of the spam drowns out the signal of the intelligent conversation.

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July 06, 2015, 06:21:21 PM
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Right now, the only way I know who is likely to be wasting my time with useless drivel and terrible advice is by looking at their signature.  If they have an ad, then I know to immediately ignore anything they say.  If they don't have an ad, then I know that they aren't being paid for posting nonsense so there's a reasonable chance that they have something worthwhile to say.

In that case, thank you for dismissing everything I've ever said as nonsense without taking the time to read it and decide on merit.   Roll Eyes

Perhaps if you think in such absolute terms, it's your opinion that's not worth paying any attention to?  That would be a shame since I normally find your posts quite reasonable.  Good thing I'm not as quick to jump to snap judgements.   Wink

Just because some people spam the boards to get paid, doesn't mean we all do.  I'd be making all the posts I've made, regardless of whether they were paid or not.  If I have nothing worthwhile to contribute, I'll keep it shut.  If you're incapable of seeing that not everything is black and white, while posting about what should be dismissed without consideration based on nothing more than a signature, I'd say that's going to damage your credibility more in the long run than any advertisement would. 

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July 06, 2015, 06:35:54 PM
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Finally I have removed the signature ad, and I think I have done a good thing... now I challenge the other users to do the same Wink.
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July 06, 2015, 09:22:03 PM
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Right now, the only way I know who is likely to be wasting my time with useless drivel and terrible advice is by looking at their signature.  If they have an ad, then I know to immediately ignore anything they say.  If they don't have an ad, then I know that they aren't being paid for posting nonsense so there's a reasonable chance that they have something worthwhile to say.

In that case, thank you for dismissing everything I've ever said as nonsense without taking the time to read it and decide on merit.   Roll Eyes

Perhaps if you think in such absolute terms, it's your opinion that's not worth paying any attention to?  That would be a shame since I normally find your posts quite reasonable.  Good thing I'm not as quick to jump to snap judgements.   Wink

Just because some people spam the boards to get paid, doesn't mean we all do.  I'd be making all the posts I've made, regardless of whether they were paid or not.  If I have nothing worthwhile to contribute, I'll keep it shut.  If you're incapable of seeing that not everything is black and white, while posting about what should be dismissed without consideration based on nothing more than a signature, I'd say that's going to damage your credibility more in the long run than any advertisement would. 

If you're dealing in large quantities you have to start making decisions on mass quantities.  When hundreds of posts with signature ads contain useless drivel and repitions of what was just posted above then I can see how Danny Hamilton and many others decide to look past the sig ads when trying to figure out what to read.  Making pragmatic decisions on strategies about how to get to the interesting part of a thread when someman times up to 90% of it is nonsense is crucial if you are one of the normal human beings living under a finite lifespan constraint.

You can shout at him for it, but for the record, DH continues to provide amazingly detailed and helpful answers to questions in the the technical assistance/discussion boards with regularity.  And he even seems to talk to me despite the fact that (most of the time, recently) I have a sig ad on my posts.

So, I guess you felt it was helpful to shout some kind of "every case is unique" principles at one of the more knowledgeable people on this forum who spends a signficant amount of time answering technical questions, but I'm of the camp that says that not every special snowflake out there has a right to my time and if they make themself ignorable (by posting nonsense, or by blending in with the folks who post nonsense) that's on them.

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July 06, 2015, 09:55:33 PM
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he even seems to talk to me despite the fact that (most of the time, recently) I have a sig ad on my posts.
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I decided a few months ago to just reflexively click "ignore" on any user that has an advertisement in their signature.  Then, if I happen to see that some other user quotes something an ignored user says AND the quote indicates that the ignored user is creating thoughtful and useful posts, I click "unignore".  As such, my browsing experience here at bitcointalk.org has been DRASTICALLY improved.
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I've seen enough quality posts from you quoted by others to make the decision to click unignore.  That doesn't mean that I won't re-ignore in the future.  Occasionally I forget who I intentionally unignored, and who I'm seeing for the first time and haven't ignored yet, so users that I choose to un-ignore can at times end up on the ignore list again for a while.  Additionally, if I start seeing a significant increase in senseless posts from someone that I chose to unignore, I'll simply re-ignore them.

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not every special snowflake out there has a right to my time and if they make themself ignorable (by posting nonsense, or by blending in with the folks who post nonsense) that's on them.

Exactly.

If you want some of the more knowledgeable and experienced users of this forum to pay attention to the things you say, and to provide quality feedback to questions that you have, then you'll want to avoid participating in an activity that rewards people for posting crap.  If you choose to disguise yourself as an annoying spammer, then I'm not going to care when you complain that you are being treated as an annoying spammer.  By choosing to advertise for the sig ad campaign, you are effectively associating yourself with and endorsing their behavior.  Since you've chosen to participate in an activity that provides a financial incentive for you to post excessively, I need to see evidence that you aren't posing excessively before I bother wasting my time on anything you say.

For more details on how I handle this process (and to make use of the ignore list I've already built, so you don't need to waste time building your own), you can click the link in my sig.

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July 06, 2015, 10:10:48 PM
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In case you haven't figured it out yet, the problem isn't "seeing the ads".  The problem is that sig ad campaigns create a financial incentive to create multiple accounts and spam the forum with as much useless nonsense as possible in order in increase the revenue of the participant.  This makes it very difficult to find any intelligent conversation in the forum since the noise of the spam drowns out the signal of the intelligent conversation.
I don't believe any who claims or implies that they do not fully understand this point.

Everybody knows what the real problem is, they just pretend that it's about the signatures instead about the spam posts because that's the only way to pretend they are doing is vaguely defensible.
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July 07, 2015, 12:04:16 AM
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Nice additional example of the real problem (with bonus mic drop by Mikestang):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1111823

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Nice additional example of the real problem (with bonus mic drop by Mikestang):
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1111823

Even all of his feedback was mining related...haha owned!

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July 10, 2015, 03:06:17 AM
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well i hope they don't remove this one because this is the only one i got to earn money online
i have tried many things like captcha typing, humanatic, referral, PTC and PPT

but i haven't earned any dollars but instead i just wasted time

the signature campaign is really a big opportunity and a very good sideline
because the benefit of it is really helpful to people like me who only earn $8 a day by working as government employee in my country

so please don't request the moderators to ban it

This is the selfish narcissistic attitute that allows email spammers and robocallers to exist: "sure I'll annoy thousands of people and waste hundreds of man-hours and other's resources, but this is how I make money"

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July 10, 2015, 03:20:43 AM
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I agree with the OP, we need to get rid of the signature campaigns and the signatures all together. It used to be okay about 2 years ago but now about 50% of posts (at least) are forced/spam posts only made with the backthought of "Hey, I'm getting paid to talk". This needs to stop. The forum has gone to the shitter in the last year or so and we need this to change.


Also...what the fuck happened to the 1.5 million in BTC we spent on a NEW FORUM that was supposed to come out like a year back or something like that...

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July 10, 2015, 03:24:02 AM
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Also...what the fuck happened to the 1.5 million in BTC we spent on a NEW FORUM that was supposed to come out like a year back or something like that...

Maybe 2 million in BTC is enough?  You guys better donate more to see.  We all are waiting very slowly and hopes it is as good as this forum.  Haha  But seriously, this is like the only forum of 2 I am active on anymore.  I used forums a lot more 5-8 years ago than I do now.

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July 11, 2015, 01:44:36 PM
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Are you guys blind or what? It's just this easy. If you are disturbed by signatures do this, if not then why complain? Let others be free to earn some money Smiley
You might be; or at the very least you didn't bother to read this thread.  That checkbox has been pointed out several times, the reasons why people may not want to use that checkbox have also been discussed, and hiding (campaign) signatures alone does nothing with regard to the other side effects also discussed before, as recent as 3 posts above yours.

Well i dont see any other side effects then. If someone is disturbed by too many ads he can disable it, just with adblock you can disable website ads.

But if you dont, then atleast support the company he is advertising, bitcoin is a small community ,yet, and it doesnt have many means to advertise new stuff.

Since our forum community is big, obviously new services will target forum users, we need to help support them by watching and checking out their ads.

After all you guys want all the way for bitcoin to succeede, so we must do a sacrifice like this for the bitcoin economy Smiley

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July 11, 2015, 01:54:55 PM
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Unfortunately it is obvious that no improvement is going to be made and that the new forum won't even be worth joining (I am not going to bother).

Personally I think it should just be left to the ad-sig posters to keep posting their rubbish posts to one another until finally the ad sponsors realise that no-one who has any funds to actually buy or invest in anything is left (then the entire forum will simply be abandoned as a forum whose entire purpose is "making money from everyone else in the forum" is actually rather boring for those who actually care about something other than money and for those that don't I would think it would be more entertaining to use casinos where you can just click one button to "play" rather than waste time "typing").

Oh - btw - I will be announcing a P2P Forum soon that won't have signatures and will have an "ignore" system that actually works properly (rather than you seeing a topic updated by an ignored user and seeing "this poster is currently being ignored" posts). Having a "proper ignore system" will also mean there is no need for moderators (and there will be none).

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Unfortunately it is obvious that no improvement is going to be made and that the new forum won't even be worth joining (I am not going to bother).

Personally I think it should just be left to the ad-sig posters to keep posting their rubbish posts to one another until finally the ad sponsors realise that no-one who has any funds to actually buy or invest in anything is left (then the entire forum will simply be abandoned as a forum whose entire purpose is "making money from everyone else in the forum" is actually rather boring for those who actually care about something other than money and for those that don't I would think it would be more entertaining to use casinos where you can just click one button to "play" rather than waste time "typing").

Oh - btw - I will be announcing a P2P Forum soon that won't have signatures and will have an "ignore" system that actually works properly (rather than you seeing a topic updated by an ignored user and seeing "this poster is currently being ignored" posts). Having a "proper ignore system" will also mean there is no need for moderators (and there will be none).


Perfect, we are waiting the new P2P forum Wink ... good luck!
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Perfect, we are waiting the new P2P forum Wink ... good luck!

I will announce it in the CIYAM topic in Project Development (link is https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=598860.0 for those that want to add it to their Watchlist).

It will work much the same as the CIYAM Open forum currently does (http://ciyam.org/open) although there will be numerous changes made to suit the P2P Forum implementation.

It is most likely that I'll make it accessible from ciyam.org just to make it easy for people to "have a play" before they decide to install any software on their computer.

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