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December 16, 2015, 03:07:48 PM
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The forum is nearing the lowest point content-wise I have seen. Click on just about any thread and it is mindless replies and bumps from people with big signature ads pushing something. There is nothing here, no content, no dialog. It is certainly not the place for cryptographers and programmers and entrepreneurs to exchange information about Bitcoin. If you are lucky, you will find someone completely out of their depth asking a stupid question answered a hundred times, someone that then cannot understand the answer.

There is no reason or need for a signature. Limiting the BBcode to higher-activity members helped the look of the forum, but just creates a market for old accounts to do the spamming.

What is needed is to deincentivize this crap posting by completely removing the signature. End the signature campaigns and the pay for obnoxious scam sites. People are profiting from posting nonsense and making this forum useless, and this is seemingly the only way to make it stop.

Then we have the activity/post count chasers, which you can see from dozens of "why isn't my activity going up" posts. There's another number that can just be removed from posts. Take away that incentive to post junk also.
There is a script which allows you to disable signatures in this forum. You wont have any issues after enabling it. But I personally don't mind the signatures, they're not putting a gun against my head.. Smiley

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December 16, 2015, 03:26:41 PM
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Just another activity period to go for that option to be available  Wink
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December 16, 2015, 03:37:22 PM
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Just another activity period to go for that option to be available  Wink

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December 16, 2015, 04:22:07 PM
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I know for staff is different beacuse you have to read what people write, but I don't  Wink
Technically we don't either; we don't have to do almost anything. However, I think the best way to remove this problem is by tackling its root (they don't have to be necessarily removed, guidelines/restrictions could be made).
I have just removed my signature campaign. All I have to say is that most people posting in signature campaigns are either people living in third-world countries or people who find way to abuse the signature campaign. Sig campaigns greatly reduce the quality of this forum with people who only post for the Bitcoins, even if it is not much. It leaves us skilled computer users dealing with a ton of spam. What I found is there is a lot of programming and many other gigs available on this forum and those living in third-world nations should get more skilled

So you are saying that people in third worlds don't have a right to benefit from Bitcoin? I remember reading some stories about how some guys that were unfortunate to be born in some of these shitholes were making more money thought signature campaigns than they did working a real job (where they are exploited for peanuts). Isn't this beautiful? Bitcoin is liberating people, this should be celebrated in any case.

Anyway, I live in a first world country, and unemployment is only getting worse. Getting some extra bucks a week is greatly appreciated. Removing sig campaigns would be removing an actual use case of Bitcoin that directly benefits real people (both the people getting paid and the people improving traffic into their websites by promoting it through them, not to mention the website itself benefits as traffic is way higher and it ranks better).
I would also stop buying stuff with Bitcoin because I only buy stuff If I get paid with it, buying Bitcoin then buying something with it makes no sense.

If you want to be elitist, maybe you could disable signatures in a specific new subforum called "technical talk" or something, where it's impossible to get paid if you post there, filtering any possible spam. Other than that, doing this with the entire forum is a mistake.
If someone spams, mods see it and ban them already, so this is really a non issue. If the colorful banners offend your eyes, it's also a non issue since disabling ads will be possible soon for Hero+. I personally tried a script when I wasn't in a sig campaign to disable all signatures and the forum looked extremely sameish. My eyes have become used at posts being separated by banners at this point.

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December 17, 2015, 11:53:20 AM
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I have just removed my signature campaign. All I have to say is that most people posting in signature campaigns are either people living in third-world countries or people who find way to abuse the signature campaign. Sig campaigns greatly reduce the quality of this forum with people who only post for the Bitcoins, even if it is not much. It leaves us skilled computer users dealing with a ton of spam. What I found is there is a lot of programming and many other gigs available on this forum and those living in third-world nations should get more skilled
That is a case of faulty generalization right there. I'm not living in a third-world country nor am I abusing the campaign (at least that is what I think and so does the manager). My posting habits have not changed since I've joined/changed campaigns. If anything, the amount of posts that I make is lower. While I do agree that most people spam, we can never say that it is the case with everyone. However, I still support disabling signature campaigns/imposing restrictions/other.

There is a script which allows you to disable signatures in this forum. You wont have any issues after enabling it. But I personally don't mind the signatures, they're not putting a gun against my head.. Smiley
That does nothing to solve spam.


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December 17, 2015, 12:32:54 PM
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All I have to say is that most people posting in signature campaigns are either people living in third-world countries or people who find way to abuse the signature campaign.
I'm English, and I find my post quality to be fairly high. If anything, my post quality has mainly improved since joining a signature campaign as I've stopped posting in areas such as Off Topic or Games and Rounds to keep my post quality high.

Sig campaigns greatly reduce the quality of this forum with people who only post for the Bitcoins, even if it is not much. It leaves us skilled computer users dealing with a ton of spam.
While this is my opinion, god damn you seem to have a big ego. Posts like this:
I don't need to be a part of this campaign. Most of my time online is spent programming/setting up online businesses. That sure pays more than signature campaigns.
with the only purpose of basically saying "I'm better than you all because I don't need a signature campaign" really make you look like a dick.

Also, it's pretty funny that you boast about making so much that you don't need a campaign, yet still recently tried making a bot to rob faucet owners (people trying to make money through web development) for dust without giving them ad revenue. Cunt.

What I found is there is a lot of programming and many other gigs available on this forum and those living in third-world nations should get more skilled
Or maybe they don't want to learn coding, since that isn't for everyone. I've made much more helping people and posting on this forum than I've ever made doing web development jobs. Perhaps you should stop generalizing others to stroke your own ego and go back to doing your well paid development jobs.

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December 18, 2015, 11:42:51 PM
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I'm English, and I find my post quality to be fairly high. If anything, my post quality has mainly improved since joining a signature campaign as I've stopped posting in areas such as Off Topic or Games and Rounds to keep my post quality high.
Good for you. I do not mean to generalize, I am just pointing out that there are many one line sentences who post with a campaign. I used to be involved in sig campaigns myself, and I am Canadian. I am not saying it's a bad thing people in Africa can eat off a sig campaign, I'm just saying it it possible and making note of that.
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Sig campaigns greatly reduce the quality of this forum with people who only post for the Bitcoins, even if it is not much. It leaves us skilled computer users dealing with a ton of spam.
While this is my opinion, god damn you seem to have a big ego. Posts like this:
I don't need to be a part of this campaign. Most of my time online is spent programming/setting up online businesses. That sure pays more than signature campaigns.
with the only purpose of basically saying "I'm better than you all because I don't need a signature campaign" really make you look like a dick.

Also, it's pretty funny that you boast about making so much that you don't need a campaign, yet still recently tried making a bot to rob faucet owners (people trying to make money through web development) for dust without giving them ad revenue. Cunt.
Well, think what you want. If it were not me it would be some other "cunt".
What I found is there is a lot of programming and many other gigs available on this forum and those living in third-world nations should get more skilled
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Or maybe they don't want to learn coding, since that isn't for everyone. I've made much more helping people and posting on this forum than I've ever made doing web development jobs. Perhaps you should stop generalizing others to stroke your own ego and go back to doing your well paid development jobs.
I don't mean to come across as having a big ego and there are many ways to make money online with enough effort. If you want to help people, by all means.

I have just removed my signature campaign. All I have to say is that most people posting in signature campaigns are either people living in third-world countries or people who find way to abuse the signature campaign. Sig campaigns greatly reduce the quality of this forum with people who only post for the Bitcoins, even if it is not much. It leaves us skilled computer users dealing with a ton of spam. What I found is there is a lot of programming and many other gigs available on this forum and those living in third-world nations should get more skilled
That is a case of faulty generalization right there. I'm not living in a third-world country nor am I abusing the campaign (at least that is what I think and so does the manager). My posting habits have not changed since I've joined/changed campaigns. If anything, the amount of posts that I make is lower. While I do agree that most people spam, we can never say that it is the case with everyone. However, I still support disabling signature campaigns/imposing restrictions/other.

There is a script which allows you to disable signatures in this forum. You wont have any issues after enabling it. But I personally don't mind the signatures, they're not putting a gun against my head.. Smiley
That does nothing to solve spam.
Why would I say a staff member would spam the forum? I did not mean to generalize. I myself was a first-world sig campaign poster (Canada).
I know for staff is different beacuse you have to read what people write, but I don't  Wink
Technically we don't either; we don't have to do almost anything. However, I think the best way to remove this problem is by tackling its root (they don't have to be necessarily removed, guidelines/restrictions could be made).
I have just removed my signature campaign. All I have to say is that most people posting in signature campaigns are either people living in third-world countries or people who find way to abuse the signature campaign. Sig campaigns greatly reduce the quality of this forum with people who only post for the Bitcoins, even if it is not much. It leaves us skilled computer users dealing with a ton of spam. What I found is there is a lot of programming and many other gigs available on this forum and those living in third-world nations should get more skilled

So you are saying that people in third worlds don't have a right to benefit from Bitcoin? I remember reading some stories about how some guys that were unfortunate to be born in some of these shitholes were making more money thought signature campaigns than they did working a real job (where they are exploited for peanuts). Isn't this beautiful? Bitcoin is liberating people, this should be celebrated in any case.

Anyway, I live in a first world country, and unemployment is only getting worse. Getting some extra bucks a week is greatly appreciated. Removing sig campaigns would be removing an actual use case of Bitcoin that directly benefits real people (both the people getting paid and the people improving traffic into their websites by promoting it through them, not to mention the website itself benefits as traffic is way higher and it ranks better).
I would also stop buying stuff with Bitcoin because I only buy stuff If I get paid with it, buying Bitcoin then buying something with it makes no sense.

If you want to be elitist, maybe you could disable signatures in a specific new subforum called "technical talk" or something, where it's impossible to get paid if you post there, filtering any possible spam. Other than that, doing this with the entire forum is a mistake.
If someone spams, mods see it and ban them already, so this is really a non issue. If the colorful banners offend your eyes, it's also a non issue since disabling ads will be possible soon for Hero+. I personally tried a script when I wasn't in a sig campaign to disable all signatures and the forum looked extremely sameish. My eyes have become used at posts being separated by banners at this point.
I'm not say it's a bad thing at all people in Africa can afford to cook breakfast by posting on this forum. There are many places in Africa where people do feed themselves off this forum. All I am saying is there needs to be less spam.

Signatures? How about learning a skill... I don't care either way. Everybody has to make a living somehow.
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December 22, 2015, 06:05:56 PM
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Most of everyone in this thread is saying they agree with OP while having a campaign in their signature. I don't understand.
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December 22, 2015, 06:27:32 PM
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Most of everyone in this thread is saying they agree with OP while having a campaign in their signature. I don't understand.

Sure, it's an easy irony to point out.  People aren't usually so careful on internet forums so that's really the explanation.  I have an ad in my signature, yet I agree with the OP that sig-ad spam is a problem.  I'd like to think that I'm not contributing to that problem because I don't post just to get paid and I report problematic posts when I see them.  In any case, the world is a rich and varied place, and many of us agree that sig-ad spam is terrible, yet we like to get paid for our own posts.  I think that strictly speaking, this means that I disagree with the OP because I don't want signatures removed as in delete, disable, gone.  Yet, I do agree about the problem and I want to see things get better, not worse.

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December 22, 2015, 06:59:39 PM
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Most of everyone in this thread is saying they agree with OP while having a campaign in their signature. I don't understand.

Sure, it's an easy irony to point out.  People aren't usually so careful on internet forums so that's really the explanation.  I have an ad in my signature, yet I agree with the OP that sig-ad spam is a problem.  I'd like to think that I'm not contributing to that problem because I don't post just to get paid and I report problematic posts when I see them.  In any case, the world is a rich and varied place, and many of us agree that sig-ad spam is terrible, yet we like to get paid for our own posts.  I think that strictly speaking, this means that I disagree with the OP because I don't want signatures removed as in delete, disable, gone.  Yet, I do agree about the problem and I want to see things get better, not worse.
We can't blame signature campaigns that this is happening because they have no control over that. It provides the resources to let it happen though but I'm fine with that.
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December 23, 2015, 08:58:07 PM
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I bootstrapped my ignore list using DannyHamilton's ignore list, and the result is that 80%-90% of the posts are no longer shown. While that goes a long way towards reducing the time needed to trudge through pages of pointless comments, it also shows how little value there actually is here.

Please don't hate me for saying this, but I think Reddit (even with all it's insanity) has now surpassed this site as a source of useful information and discussion.

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I bootstrapped my ignore list using DannyHamilton's ignore list, and the result is that 80%-90% of the posts are no longer shown. While that goes a long way towards reducing the time needed to trudge through pages of pointless comments, it also shows how little value there actually is here.

Please don't hate me for saying this, but I think Reddit (even with all it's insanity) has now surpassed this site as a source of useful information and discussion.

this is just my pov.
not necessarily, reddit has the hivemind mentality where the unpopular opinions get downvoted en masse and are possibly never even seen to a good portion of the comment readers. the popular opinions (obviously) are voted to the top and will be the only 'discussion' thats visible to the great majority of readers that dont bother going through more than a few comments. the echo chamber that results from this doesnt make for actual discussion, where ideas are thrown around and refuted / agreed on. this doesnt happen all the time of course, but a point system that makes comments more or less visible is just bad for actual discussion / debate. then again, its been a while since ive browsed reddit comments.
of course, you probably wont see this post because of DH's ignore list though.

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I think Reddit (even with all it's insanity) has now surpassed this site as a source of useful information and discussion.

I've never really used reddit.  I've tried to check it out a couple of times but it just doesn't seem to click with the way my mind organizes things.  I may give it another try.

I'm giving careful consideration to taking a serious break from bitcoin discussion in 2016.  This forum has become just barely interesting anymore, and the effort to find the discussions worth participating in doesn't really seem worth it.  Life is getting busy, and the noise to signal ratio is so bad here that I don't really feel like anything I have to say makes much of a difference.

I'll still peek in on "Development & Technical Discussion" and "Technical Support" just so I keep aware of any new developments, and I'll stay subscribed to the mailing lists, but I may not maintain my ignore list or bother posting here much anymore.

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December 26, 2015, 12:08:55 PM
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Just perm ban anyone with a paid signature, that would clean things up.
Why do they need to perma ban those people who have a paid signature?
You think it will be the best solution for what's happening right now?
I think it is not a good solution.
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Just perm ban anyone with a paid signature, that would clean things up.
Why do they need to perma ban those people who have a paid signature?
You think it will be the best solution for what's happening right now?
I think it is not a good solution.
Yes, that is pretty ignorant and absurd request. Banning someone just because he/she has paid signature is the most ridiculous thing you can do.
If you really want to see if this forum will be pristine clear and spam free I suggest forum Staff 'pause' all signature campaigns for 1 month.
After that time you will see for yourself if spamming ceased and all that left are intelligent and meaningful posts and smart people.


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December 26, 2015, 02:28:29 PM
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Just perm ban anyone with a paid signature, that would clean things up.
Why do they need to perma ban those people who have a paid signature?
You think it will be the best solution for what's happening right now?
I think it is not a good solution.
Yes, that is pretty ignorant and absurd request. Banning someone just because he/she has paid signature is the most ridiculous thing you can do.
If you really want to see if this forum will be pristine clear and spam free I suggest forum Staff 'pause' all signature campaigns for 1 month.
After that time you will see for yourself if spamming ceased and all that left are intelligent and meaningful posts and smart people.

The high quality posters are the far minority here. They mostly consider 90% of the non-technical posters here to add nothing with value. Their standards are simply too high for the time that we are currently in. Bitcoin attracts people, the majority of them don't know much about the technical aspects of Bitcoin. And the others are looking to make a quick buck and spam the speculation section with unrealitic high predictions, etc. What can you do about this when paid signature campaigns are not allowed anymore? Nothing more than what is currently happening.

Getting rid of signature campaigns will decrease the amount of nonsense posts here, but it won't do much in terms of improving post quality once paid signatures are gone. The majority of the discussions are relatively low of quality, and will stay relatively low of quality.

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December 26, 2015, 03:01:54 PM
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The high quality posters are the far minority here. They mostly consider 90% of the non-technical posters here to add nothing with value. Their standards are simply too high for the time that we are currently in. Bitcoin attracts people, the majority of them don't know much about the technical aspects of Bitcoin. And the others are looking to make a quick buck and spam the speculation section with unrealitic high predictions, etc. What can you do about this when paid signature campaigns are not allowed anymore? Nothing more than what is currently happening.
I don't mind people asking technical questions; I dislike people who fail to use the search function and create duplicate threads. The problem ATM is reposting what has been said already (but formulated in their own words) and the off-topic section. Those daily threads about drinks and whatnot are really useless spam. Also "vs" threads would be better if they had polls instead of everyone (majority) posting their subjective views and thus reducing the overall quality of the posts around here.

Getting rid of signature campaigns will decrease the amount of nonsense posts here, but it won't do much in terms of improving post quality once paid signatures are gone. The majority of the discussions are relatively low of quality, and will stay relatively low of quality.
I disagree. Once there is no incentive for spam, most of the spam will be gone.


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I don't mind people asking technical questions; I dislike people who fail to use the search function


You are wrong here Lauda. People do not use search function because the search function does not allow you to search multiple times and you will have to wait for 50 seconds before searching again. So they start a new thread without wasting their time for waiting for 50 more seconds!


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December 26, 2015, 03:09:10 PM
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You are wrong here Lauda. People do not use search function because the search function does not allow you to search multiple times and you will have to wait for 50 seconds before searching again. So they start a new thread without wasting their time for waiting for 50 more seconds!
So, you're saying that people would rather wait several hours to have someone post an answer which has already been posted rather than waiting 50 seconds to get the same answer? Nice excuse, at least you tried.

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December 26, 2015, 03:10:26 PM
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The reality is that very helpful forum posters such as @DannyHamilton are talking about leaving (with many others having already left as Danny has a lot more patience than most people) and unfortunately his sage advice will be replaced by many stupid suggestions from useless posters (that could actually cause people to lose Bitcoin) just to increase their post count for financial reward.

I pretty much now only post in the more technical areas of this forum and don't post so much at all (like Danny I am thinking to pay much less attention to following the forum in 2016).

It is disappointing to some of us more seasoned forum members that this is what has happened but "c'est la vie" I guess that soon anyone actually wanting "technical advice" about Bitcoin will steer clear of this forum and look elsewhere (that would pretty much be my advice to anyone asking me about where to find good technical information about Bitcoin now).

Like it or not the very purpose of this forum is now for people to earn micropayments through posting (no matter how poor quality the posts are).

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