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[DPoS2]

The pool has grown almost 50% since the beginning of the month (30 PH to 45 PH), so that is a good sign to stay around the 3 day block luck average, even after the next difficulty increase tonight.

if just half the users at the pool add 20Th we'll gain another 16PH which will make it a full double from 30PH!

I'll be adding 23TH in the next few weeks. 

I'm adding 22TH with one 821 in Feb and another coming in March!

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[lrowland21093]

Overall pool hash rate going up means pay per block goes down, but frequency of blocks found goes up.

Understood but the payout is on each block so there would be a point at which you go below the minimum threshold.  For example, if only had 1TH right now then I would likely not receive a payout until Dr. Kano implements the dust payments.

[VRobb]

So, I apologize if this is a stupid question or has been asked before in this massive thread...
Is it correct that as the overall pool hash rate goes up, the overall payout per share goes down?
Would this then also mean the hashrate below which only dust payouts are given keeps going up.

I am a bit concerned that if I am not able to add more hashrate to my measly 26-27TH and the pool grows by a lot, then the rewards per block will get to the dust level.
I know that is probably a long way off but it is still a thought that crossed my mind.  Is there a way to calculate where the "dust-only" cut-off is?

(Disclaimer:  I hope to add another 11TH in March when the 821 gets delivered so maybe I should just stop worrying about it - feel free to tell me that  )

You're well above the "dust" threshold, and that will become a moot point soon enough when kanosan finishes the accounting code in the near future. Dust currently would be less than 1THs...
Mine on!

[AriesIV10]

How many days is 5Nd nowdays?  It use to be 5 days.

I put a miner here on the January 13th.  Today, January 24th, I am half way through 5Nd.

[VRobb]

Current 5Nd is 12 days 19 hrs from https://kano.is/index.php?k=payout

[AriesIV10]

Current 5Nd is 12 days 19 hrs from https://kano.is/index.php?k=payout

Thanks for the info VRobb!  

PPLNS acts like the reward 'ramps up' when you first start mining.
What actually happens?

The 5Nd means it takes that long to reward your shares.
The ramp isn't missing rewards, it's delaying them to reduce variance.
Each share is rewarded in all the blocks found in the 5Nd after the share.
That's simply how it reduces variance. Each share's reward is averaged out over the 5Nd after it.
The pool hash rate for the last day is roughly 43.35PHs which means the 5Nd 'ramp' is roughly 12days 19hrs.

[Megaquake]

I started an s9 on Dec 31st, just  got fully ramped on the 22nd so the next block we find  will be a fully ramped up payout

[BTfd2e93]

While the S9's each ramp up separately, you would be producing more total shares as they ramp up and earn more per block found as well. The ramping up may seem like a hurdle, but you have to remember there is always a "ramp down" period that is equal to the ramp up period. If you ever move machines or unplug them, you get rewards from blocks found after that even when you don't have your hashrate in the pool at the time.

Thanks for your response, this is helpful.

I'm not too bothered about having benefits due to ramp down.  In fact, the ramp up is not a big concern for me either, as in general, Im will to point to a pool and just leave it.

My main concern is .. i've tried quite a few pools and have gotten large variances in payout for the same equipment (even what is said on pools estimated data on their websites).  Im just trying to gauge the "steady state" payout (leaving difficulty out of the equation for the moment, as that applies to all pools), and which one is best for me to just set & forget.

For the past 5 days, i've been comparing Antpool, viaBTC, Bitcoin.com, Slush & Kano in parallel.  Kano is the only one that i'm not able to compare directly.

If the experienced folks here can share some insight as to what reward per S9, i could typically get (based on average luck & diff in the past few weeks) ..... i'm willing to point all my 121TH at the pool.

[clgrissom3]

While the S9's each ramp up separately, you would be producing more total shares as they ramp up and earn more per block found as well. The ramping up may seem like a hurdle, but you have to remember there is always a "ramp down" period that is equal to the ramp up period. If you ever move machines or unplug them, you get rewards from blocks found after that even when you don't have your hashrate in the pool at the time.

Thanks for your response, this is helpful.

I'm not too bothered about having benefits due to ramp down.  In fact, the ramp up is not a big concern for me either, as in general, Im will to point to a pool and just leave it.

My main concern is .. i've tried quite a few pools and have gotten large variances in payout for the same equipment (even what is said on pools estimated data on their websites).  Im just trying to gauge the "steady state" payout (leaving difficulty out of the equation for the moment, as that applies to all pools), and which one is best for me to just set & forget.

For the past 5 days, i've been comparing Antpool, viaBTC, Bitcoin.com, Slush & Kano in parallel.  Kano is the only one that i'm not able to compare directly.

If the experienced folks here can share some insight as to what reward per S9, i could typically get (based on average luck & diff in the past few weeks) ..... i'm willing to point all my 121TH at the pool.

Go to page 1704 and read the posts on that page.  There have been many excellent posts on the earnings subject and this one comes to mind.  Also on the home page of https://www.minergain.com/, there is a coins/day comparison between pools that is interesting as well.

Page 1705 was pretty good on the subject of payout comparisons also.

[Thrash]

^^ What he said. The minergain page pretty much tells you what you need to know. Patience is required though. 

[AerialGopher]

Can we start a new saying...  Instead of Mine On...

This one I thought of has a special ring to it, and promotes growth of the pool.

Miner UP!

:-P

[Par Avion]

Can we start a new saying...  Instead of Mine On...

This one I thought of has a special ring to it, and promotes growth of the pool.

Miner UP!

:-P

Eh

[mtaboneweb]

While the S9's each ramp up separately, you would be producing more total shares as they ramp up and earn more per block found as well. The ramping up may seem like a hurdle, but you have to remember there is always a "ramp down" period that is equal to the ramp up period. If you ever move machines or unplug them, you get rewards from blocks found after that even when you don't have your hashrate in the pool at the time.

Thanks for your response, this is helpful.

I'm not too bothered about having benefits due to ramp down.  In fact, the ramp up is not a big concern for me either, as in general, Im will to point to a pool and just leave it.

My main concern is .. i've tried quite a few pools and have gotten large variances in payout for the same equipment (even what is said on pools estimated data on their websites).  Im just trying to gauge the "steady state" payout (leaving difficulty out of the equation for the moment, as that applies to all pools), and which one is best for me to just set & forget.

For the past 5 days, i've been comparing Antpool, viaBTC, Bitcoin.com, Slush & Kano in parallel.  Kano is the only one that i'm not able to compare directly.

If the experienced folks here can share some insight as to what reward per S9, i could typically get (based on average luck & diff in the past few weeks) ..... i'm willing to point all my 121TH at the pool.

Maybe this will help a bit. Keep in mind these are averaged out and not promises for future rewards... They are based in real rewards but where I start going into per month and beyond those are based on projections of what I had already accomplished. And as for extra hashing being added I believe you'd see more of an affect on Slush than Kano because when they started topping 2 Eh/s on Slush my rewards (small to begin with) shrunk a lot. Again, if you're finding more blocks then it all evens out.

Kano
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s549pf1o7fmavne/ResultsKano.jpg?dl=0

Based on blocks found since I started and got paid an average
3-S9s    0.02386137 BTC
1-S9    0.00795379 BTC
Per Th/s    0.00058917 BTC
Only based on the last 13 blocks found.

Slush
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ubrqs67y846irly/ResultsSlush.jpg?dl=0

Average block reward on Slush for 40.5 Th/s was 0.00036331 BTC
Based on 152 blocks found

[VRobb]

Can we start a new saying...  Instead of Mine On...

This one I thought of has a special ring to it, and promotes growth of the pool.

Miner UP!

:-P

Lol, I get that, like cowboy up! Doesn't quite have that ring.  Actually the saying is:
Keep calm, and mine on.
Usually offered up during times of bitcoin price strife or working up a high diff on a block. Shortened for various reasons I guess.  
Mine on, and keep calm!  

[A.Delaney]

I started an s9 on Dec 31st, just  got fully ramped on the 22nd so the next block we find  will be a fully ramped up payout

22 days to ramp up?

[BTfd2e93]

Maybe this will help a bit. Keep in mind these are averaged out and not promises for future rewards... They are based in real rewards but where I start going into per month and beyond those are based on projections of what I had already accomplished. And as for extra hashing being added I believe you'd see more of an affect on Slush than Kano because when they started topping 2 Eh/s on Slush my rewards (small to begin with) shrunk a lot. Again, if you're finding more blocks then it all evens out.

Kano
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s549pf1o7fmavne/ResultsKano.jpg?dl=0

Based on blocks found since I started and got paid an average
3-S9s    0.02386137 BTC
1-S9    0.00795379 BTC
Per Th/s    0.00058917 BTC
Only based on the last 13 blocks found.

Slush
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ubrqs67y846irly/ResultsSlush.jpg?dl=0

Average block reward on Slush for 40.5 Th/s was 0.00036331 BTC
Based on 152 blocks found

This info is awesome.  you guys are a really helpful community here.
I think i'm convinced - I'll point 54THs over to kano tonight, and review again 22 days later   

other than the CKPool Status app .. is there another app that gives more detailed info about progress?

[mtaboneweb]

Maybe this will help a bit. Keep in mind these are averaged out and not promises for future rewards... They are based in real rewards but where I start going into per month and beyond those are based on projections of what I had already accomplished. And as for extra hashing being added I believe you'd see more of an affect on Slush than Kano because when they started topping 2 Eh/s on Slush my rewards (small to begin with) shrunk a lot. Again, if you're finding more blocks then it all evens out.

Kano
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s549pf1o7fmavne/ResultsKano.jpg?dl=0

Based on blocks found since I started and got paid an average
3-S9s    0.02386137 BTC
1-S9    0.00795379 BTC
Per Th/s    0.00058917 BTC
Only based on the last 13 blocks found.

Slush
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ubrqs67y846irly/ResultsSlush.jpg?dl=0

Average block reward on Slush for 40.5 Th/s was 0.00036331 BTC
Based on 152 blocks found

This info is awesome.  you guys are a really helpful community here.
I think i'm convinced - I'll point 54THs over to kano tonight, and review again 22 days later   

other than the CKPool Status app .. is there another app that gives more detailed info about progress?

I use the app, minergain.com, Awesome Miner, and occasionally my daughter to keep track (while at work lol). And I try not to look more than once every 15 minutes to make sure we didn't find a block and something didn't tell me yet. I'm working my way up to hourly and hope someday I can just check daily... I'm not patient but I believe in Kano.

[Megaquake]

I started an s9 on Dec 31st, just  got fully ramped on the 22nd so the next block we find  will be a fully ramped up payout

22 days to ramp up?

Yes, if the last block would have been around 70-100 percent I would have been ramped up also.

[kano]

I started an s9 on Dec 31st, just  got fully ramped on the 22nd so the next block we find  will be a fully ramped up payout

22 days to ramp up?

Yes, if the last block would have been around 70-100 percent I would have been ramped up also.

Yes the 'ramp' is directly dependent upon the pool hash rate.
If someone is 50% 'ramped' in 8 days, the next 50% could take 7, 6, 5 etc depending on the pool hash rate.
Time isn't a factor in the 5Nd calculation at all.
5Nd is quite literally a number of shares submitted to the pool - so of course the bigger the hash rate, the faster each 1Nd (or fraction thereof) will be.

[perfectplus174]

I started an s9 on Dec 31st, just  got fully ramped on the 22nd so the next block we find  will be a fully ramped up payout

22 days to ramp up?

Yes, if the last block would have been around 70-100 percent I would have been ramped up also.

Yes the 'ramp' is directly dependent upon the pool hash rate.
If someone is 50% 'ramped' in 8 days, the next 50% could take 7, 6, 5 etc depending on the pool hash rate.
Time isn't a factor in the 5Nd calculation at all.
5Nd is quite literally a number of shares submitted to the pool - so of course the bigger the hash rate, the faster each 1Nd (or fraction thereof) will be.

I think I found why my ramp up seemed to take a little longer. My shift graph has been wonky and now that I see the whole picture, I'm clearly losing hash enough to throw off my average.
I believe (not 100% confirmed yet) that my internet connection may be dumping packets. I've noticed when I leave on a Friday and our computers are off their virtual connections, the has rate is more consistent.
I was chasing a problem and blaming the machines, Avalon A6's particularly, as the S7's seemed more consistent. A closer look at each miner shows the dips aren't as dramatic as the daisy chained Avalons losing hash all at once, Avalons are workers 100, 200, 300, but is still present on the S7's
The overall shift graph shows more of a trend in when the hash drops.

Still my best theory so far as of today, working on some changes tomorrow.

https://imgur.com/a/ejJc5