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September 20, 2014, 12:48:39 PM
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No, you would certainly NOT be better off creating new accounts. Can you not understand that posts by a senior member, who may be known by many users, carry more weight and generate more views than someone who registered 2 minutes ago?

Sig campaigns? HAhaaaaaa you really believe someone is mass buying shill accounts at .25 bitcoin each for a sig campaign.  Smiley that's Cute

Haha, you really believe someone is buying accounts for propaganda purposes? Now that really is cute and a little extreme. Can you provide evidence of how he is trying to mass buy accounts and for propaganda purposes? I dont think you're really thinking this through. So you really think people go around throwing money away to buy accounts for this purpose when there's a good chance they'll be banned? No. Sure, higher ranked accounts carry a little more weight but you can do more damage with an army of newb accounts you can quickly create for free. Unlikely people will want to risk their money this way. And many people do buy several accounts for sig campaigns as you can or could make your money back in less than a month. This practice of trying to buy accounts is common and I've seen it happen several times and many have been banned for sending the unsolicited messages.

Very interesting to see how quickly this thread is being attacked, isn't it  Wink

Saying things like that leads me to believe that you're pretty paranoid and irrationally jumping to conspiracies here and are incapable of looking at this from any other angle. How has this thread been 'quickly attacked' exactly?

Wrong. People don't give a fuck about newbs. Hero Members impose respect, it's psychological. I wouldn't sell an Hero account for less than 1 BTC AT LEAST. It takes fucking forever to achieve Hero status.
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September 20, 2014, 12:56:24 PM
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Very strange this isn't against the rules, how does the website benefit from not banning this? Surely it damages the sites credibility as it will lead to even more fud.  Why bother have the new member posting rules if the site owners are not concerned about credibility of content?

The rationale is it can't be stopped or policed effectively and if accounts are allowed to be sold openly people will be constantly aware that an accounts can and are sold, so that's why you shouldn't necessarily trust an account or hold it in a higher regard merely because of member status.

Wrong. People don't give a fuck about newbs. Hero Members impose respect, it's psychological. I wouldn't sell an Hero account for less than 1 BTC AT LEAST. It takes fucking forever to achieve Hero status.

And nobody would give a fuck about a Hero member who does nothing but troll and post fud. People aren't going to respect their posts if they're posting shit just because they're a Hero member.

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September 20, 2014, 01:00:19 PM
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Saying things like that leads me to believe that you're pretty paranoid and irrationally jumping to conspiracies here and are incapable of looking at this from any other angle. How has this thread been 'quickly attacked' exactly?

Wrong. People don't give a fuck about newbs. Hero Members impose respect, it's psychological. I wouldn't sell an Hero account for less than 1 BTC AT LEAST. It takes fucking forever to achieve Hero status.

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September 20, 2014, 01:08:43 PM
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That much is obvious. The first thing I do when I see a post with a dramatic title is check who posted it.

As for nonsense about sig campaigns, we all know that there is NO possible way to make money buying accounts as anonymous and recently registered as mine for .250 BTC EACH! If someone shows me how to make over a quarter bitcoin a month (as some poster claimed) buying accounts that are only a year old and just have full member status, then I will start buying up crap accounts with my BTC today LOL!  Grin

The purpose of this mass buying of accounts is NOT to turn a quick profit, since there is no way to turn a quick profit buying up crap accounts at .250 each (or more). The purpose is to prevent people from instantly dismissing whatever they want to push by AT LEAST posting the FUD under accounts that don't scream "NEWBIE! REGISTERED TODAY!"

I have heard form others who had the spam offers to buy mundane accounts for relatively large amounts. I would appreciate it if they and any others would post in this thread. Even better it would be nice to hear from users who sold their accounts and are now using new or other accounts, but somehow I don't think they will want to add to this thread  Wink .

So let the finger puppets spam this thread with threats to report it to moderators, blatantly nonsensical arguments and personal attacks, but why don't the rest of us try to have a serious conversation about what is going on with this campaign of some unknown but deep-pocketed entity overpaying for non-newbie accounts.

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September 20, 2014, 01:14:50 PM
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While that is a lovely strawman you've built. I'll stick to reality, and rather than "a Hero member who does nothing but troll and post fud" think in the vein of "a few hundred accounts ranging from full member to hero who post a large number of new topics and replies including false news, reasonable-sounding FUD and exaggerations of bad news, as well as personal attacks and accusations of paranoia against anyone who tries to expose or even discuss what they are doing in the forums"  Grin

Very strange this isn't against the rules, how does the website benefit from not banning this? Surely it damages the sites credibility as it will lead to even more fud.  Why bother have the new member posting rules if the site owners are not concerned about credibility of content?

The rationale is it can't be stopped or policed effectively and if accounts are allowed to be sold openly people will be constantly aware that an accounts can and are sold, so that's why you shouldn't necessarily trust an account or hold it in a higher regard merely because of member status.

Wrong. People don't give a fuck about newbs. Hero Members impose respect, it's psychological. I wouldn't sell an Hero account for less than 1 BTC AT LEAST. It takes fucking forever to achieve Hero status.

And nobody would give a fuck about a Hero member who does nothing but troll and post fud. People aren't going to respect their posts if they're posting shit just because they're a Hero member.
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September 20, 2014, 01:32:21 PM
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It is a strong point. Of course they would argue that it can't be stopped so why not have it out in the open?

But it is indeed a HUGE problem for credibility and it creates a playground for whoever wants to manipulate the discourse for whatever purpose.

I find it interesting that this transparency about the sales of accounts does not seem to apply to the discussion of large-scale and well-funded organized campaigns of the buying of accounts.

Every time someone mentions it there are threats and attacks.

Of course I am not saying it is easy to counteract but it does threaten the legitimacy of the entire forum.

Very strange this isn't against the rules, how does the website benefit from not banning this? Surely it damages the sites credibility as it will lead to even more fud.  Why bother have the new member posting rules if the site owners are not concerned about credibility of content?
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September 20, 2014, 02:36:29 PM
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The first thing I do when I see a post with a dramatic title is check who posted it.

Dramatic like this one?

As for nonsense about sig campaigns, we all know that there is NO possible way to make money buying accounts as anonymous and recently registered as mine for .250 BTC EACH! If someone shows me how to make over a quarter bitcoin a month (as some poster claimed) buying accounts that are only a year old and just have full member status, then I will start buying up crap accounts with my BTC today LOL!  Grin

Better start buying then because this has just proven how completely wrong and ill-informed you are on this matter. I made 0.52 last month and I've been here less than a year. Used to make much more than that when I was a Full Member too. Take a look over in the digital goods section for evidence of this and look at the responses to people when they ask why the accounts are being sold for so much or anything at all. "Signature campaigns" are the answer you will see over and over again. Everybody knows (apart from you) that 99.9% of accounts sold here are done so for signature campaigns. In the past you could get between 0.4-2.4btc with a Full or Snr Member account alone per month per account (a Snr account takes nine months to achieve btw) so buying a few accounts is very profitable. People want them to earn money because you can't join a high-paying signature campaign unless you are at least a Member. You can troll and post fud from your throw-away Newb account though and then just create a new one if/when you get banned.

The purpose of this mass buying of accounts is NOT to turn a quick profit, since there is no way to turn a quick profit buying up crap accounts at .250 each (or more). The purpose is to prevent people from instantly dismissing whatever they want to push by AT LEAST posting the FUD under accounts that don't scream "NEWBIE! REGISTERED TODAY!"

Wrong again - very easy to make a quick profit as I've already explained. Do you have evidence some sort of astroturfer organisation are buying accounts for such uses or is it just your own biased opinion again? I've already explained several times how you can see a return on investment on accounts even purchased for 0.4 which is what the going rate for Snrs was up until recently, but I don't think you're willing to accept it.

I have heard form others who had the spam offers to buy mundane accounts for relatively large amounts. I would appreciate it if they and any others would post in this thread. Even better it would be nice to hear from users who sold their accounts and are now using new or other accounts, but somehow I don't think they will want to add to this thread  Wink .

What does 'mundane accounts' have to do with anything? The mundane the better for signature campaigns. All that matters is their Member rank. The higher the rank the more valuable the account is because the more you can earn from signature deals. Yes, that's right, signature deals. Is it merely a coincidence the guy trying to buy your account is on one?

So let the finger puppets spam this thread with threats to report it to moderators, blatantly nonsensical arguments and personal attacks, but why don't the rest of us try to have a serious conversation about what is going on with this campaign of some unknown but deep-pocketed entity overpaying for non-newbie accounts.

Haha Finger puppets and 'deep-pocketed entity'. How can you claim to not be paranoid when making claims like this makes you sound exactly like your typical paranoid conspiracy nutter... or maybe you're just a troll and I'm being trolled here? Maybe your account has been sold/bought and is being used for the purposes you describe, so maybe I am wrong. The only person who is talking nonsense here is you and you're not trying to have a serious discussion at all but the opposite. You're making stuff up and acting like a child and sticking your fingers in your ears and going la la la and refusing to listen to any facts or alternative viewpoints at all.

While that is a lovely strawman you've built. I'll stick to reality, and rather than "a Hero member who does nothing but troll and post fud" think in the vein of "a few hundred accounts ranging from full member to hero who post a large number of new topics and replies including false news, reasonable-sounding FUD and exaggerations of bad news, as well as personal attacks and accusations of paranoia against anyone who tries to expose or even discuss what they are doing in the forums"  Grin

Shocked As opposed to your argument which is based on absolutely nothing but your own minsinformed opinion? Pretty much all the fud or attacks or trolling I see here is from brand new or newb accounts so I don't understand your logic here at all. Who is this organisation that is buying a few hundred accounts at 0.2 or more a piece? The Illuminati? Calling you paranoid isn't an insult because it's exactly what you are being when you make ridiculous claims like "funny how this thread is being attacked". Attacked? You've been 'attacked' because someone was offering an alternative answer; one that you didn't like because it doesn't fit your agenda? That was a completely laughable accusation made in such an alarming conspiratorial fashion which conspiracy nutters often do to try and divert attention and play the victim and to make out as if the responses they have gotten are complete proof that they're right and are on to some conspiracy that they've just exposed.

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September 20, 2014, 04:53:24 PM
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Hahaaaa, how predictable, a little too uncomfortable for the mods?? Ooops, better move it so it gets less views!  Grin
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You're either a troll or a moronic conspiracytard. What does this thread have to do with the discussion of Bitcoin? It's about this forum and everything pertaining to this forum goes in Meta.

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September 20, 2014, 05:03:45 PM
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Hahaaaa, how predictable, a little too uncomfortable for the mods?? Ooops, better move it so it gets less views!  Grin

The accounts are most likely not being used for propaganda. The thread was moved to the correct section because Meta is about discussion of the forums. Face the facts - stop believing that you are right and the entire world is wrong.

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September 20, 2014, 05:22:30 PM
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The most reason for buying forum accounts is signature advertising. I heard someone is earning $2000 per month from 10 Senior accounts.
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September 20, 2014, 06:25:16 PM
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Since the Primedice closed the doors, the signature stuff is not profitable anymore.

Lots of campaigns with closed doors and that pays 0.05/0.1 BTC bt 50 posts. You really luck if you get 1 BTC/month with 10 accounts with signature programs.

Even in the digital goods subforum we see little account trades, because gain with signature is hard, but the accounts still takes time and efford to rise.

At this moment, buy full member accounts for 250mBTC can't be justified by signature purposes, since the ROI will take long and there is always the risk of the original owner claims his account back.
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September 20, 2014, 06:34:56 PM
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Campaigns come and go. I'm sure there will be more deals arriving soon and maybe a Pay Per Post campaign eventually. Maybe now would be a good time to buy accounts since they've resultingly become cheap, and PD may also offer a fixed rate and who knows what they'll pay.

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September 20, 2014, 07:13:57 PM
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Hahaaaa, how predictable, a little too uncomfortable for the mods?? Ooops, better move it so it gets less views!  Grin

This isn't a new topic, people have been buying/selling accounts for a long time, the moderators don't care. Does it hurt the credibility of the forum? No, this isn't ebay. The fact that you can buy and sell things here is a just a feature. A forum is a place to talk about things, your username doesn't hugely effect that, unless you have built a reputation, but that can be removed pretty quickly if the buyer doesn't maintain the integrity of the account. Does it make the marketplace section a little trickier? Yes, but its always been tricky. There is no protecting people from scammers, find a reputable escrow service, and be ever vigilant.

What purposes could people have for buying accounts? Yes sig campaigns are the big one, then scamming and such comes in too, but really sig campaigns are so much more profitable, they are sustainable, so you can keep getting a payout every month, as long as you don't get banned for spamming, the pay keeps coming in. If you try to scam with the account and someone catches you before you can scam them, your account is now worthless, and you just threw out whatever you paid for the account, so scamming is really a gamble.

Back to the point, you are openly allowed to buy or sell accounts, we don't have the ability to enforce it, so by saying that its not allowed, without having the ability to back it up would give members a false sense of security. If it is allowed, then people are always on the lookout for suspicious behavior.

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September 20, 2014, 09:47:55 PM
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I'll sell my account for 10 BTC. PM me if you're interested. I'll just create a new account if someone actually buys this one and then I'll sell the next one. I'd like to know what propaganda they're pushing first, though. If it's just going to be used for pointless stuff that helps them and doesn't hurt the community, I'm cool with that.

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September 20, 2014, 09:56:43 PM
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I'll sell my account for 10 BTC. PM me if you're interested. I'll just create a new account if someone actually buys this one and then I'll sell the next one. I'd like to know what propaganda they're pushing first, though. If it's just going to be used for pointless stuff that helps them and doesn't hurt the community, I'm cool with that.
It is nice to help others while making some money.
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September 20, 2014, 10:08:17 PM
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I'll sell my account for 10 BTC. PM me if you're interested. I'll just create a new account if someone actually buys this one and then I'll sell the next one. I'd like to know what propaganda they're pushing first, though. If it's just going to be used for pointless stuff that helps them and doesn't hurt the community, I'm cool with that.

Someone would pay you 10btc for your account and you might still reject it?  lol

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September 20, 2014, 11:54:33 PM
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You'd be basically selling your identity if you sold your account. And you (personally) would be socially responsible for how the account was used after you sold it, since people would think that it was you.

But that account is anonymous.

Yes your account is anonymous, but it's just you with a different name. Your personality and a lot about you can be figured out by your posts and interests.
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September 21, 2014, 02:24:49 AM
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I don't post a lot, but I'm always curious about the age of an account. I generally assume that an early adopter has more skin in the game and I am likely to offer higher regard to an older account. I don't give as much validity to member status because I see many of the same users spouting foolishness every day.
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September 21, 2014, 02:34:00 AM
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i think most accs are bought for altcoin propaganda not BTC one

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