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September 21, 2014, 04:32:33 AM
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You'd be basically selling your identity if you sold your account. And you (personally) would be socially responsible for how the account was used after you sold it, since people would think that it was you.

But that account is anonymous.

Yes your account is anonymous, but it's just you with a different name. Your personality and a lot about you can be figured out by your posts and interests.
I would disagree with this. If someone suddenly starts to post in different ways then it should be clear that it is not the same person posting. Also your "identity" is only known to other anonymous people whose identity you do not know yourself.

What you would be selling is the time you have put into posting on your account and nothing more.

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September 21, 2014, 07:01:56 PM
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Someone would pay you 10btc for your account and you might still reject it?  lol

Fuck you Vod

Oh my god...lmao. This is amazing, I love it! xD Looks like you have your own YouTube fan club, Vod!

 
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September 21, 2014, 07:06:28 PM
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0.25 BTC?
I will sell mine for not less than 10BTC
Maybe..... Wink
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September 21, 2014, 09:26:46 PM
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I am still against the endorsement of account trading. It leads to getting more accounts hacked and problems like that of Zedicus/buyo.

Account trading would still continue, but the incentive to buy will be less as the buyers know sellers can claim back anytime easily. There should be an automated process in the new forum to get back accounts.
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September 23, 2014, 09:38:43 AM
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The first thing I do when I see a post with a dramatic title is check who posted it.

Dramatic like this one?

As for nonsense about sig campaigns, we all know that there is NO possible way to make money buying accounts as anonymous and recently registered as mine for .250 BTC EACH! If someone shows me how to make over a quarter bitcoin a month (as some poster claimed) buying accounts that are only a year old and just have full member status, then I will start buying up crap accounts with my BTC today LOL!  Grin

Better start buying then because this has just proven how completely wrong and ill-informed you are on this matter. I made 0.52 last month and I've been here less than a year. Used to make much more than that when I was a Full Member too. Take a look over in the digital goods section for evidence of this and look at the responses to people when they ask why the accounts are being sold for so much or anything at all. "Signature campaigns" are the answer you will see over and over again. Everybody knows (apart from you) that 99.9% of accounts sold here are done so for signature campaigns. In the past you could get between 0.4-2.4btc with a Full or Snr Member account alone per month per account (a Snr account takes nine months to achieve btw) so buying a few accounts is very profitable. People want them to earn money because you can't join a high-paying signature campaign unless you are at least a Member. You can troll and post fud from your throw-away Newb account though and then just create a new one if/when you get banned.

The purpose of this mass buying of accounts is NOT to turn a quick profit, since there is no way to turn a quick profit buying up crap accounts at .250 each (or more). The purpose is to prevent people from instantly dismissing whatever they want to push by AT LEAST posting the FUD under accounts that don't scream "NEWBIE! REGISTERED TODAY!"

Wrong again - very easy to make a quick profit as I've already explained. Do you have evidence some sort of astroturfer organisation are buying accounts for such uses or is it just your own biased opinion again? I've already explained several times how you can see a return on investment on accounts even purchased for 0.4 which is what the going rate for Snrs was up until recently, but I don't think you're willing to accept it.

I have heard form others who had the spam offers to buy mundane accounts for relatively large amounts. I would appreciate it if they and any others would post in this thread. Even better it would be nice to hear from users who sold their accounts and are now using new or other accounts, but somehow I don't think they will want to add to this thread  Wink .

What does 'mundane accounts' have to do with anything? The mundane the better for signature campaigns. All that matters is their Member rank. The higher the rank the more valuable the account is because the more you can earn from signature deals. Yes, that's right, signature deals. Is it merely a coincidence the guy trying to buy your account is on one?

So let the finger puppets spam this thread with threats to report it to moderators, blatantly nonsensical arguments and personal attacks, but why don't the rest of us try to have a serious conversation about what is going on with this campaign of some unknown but deep-pocketed entity overpaying for non-newbie accounts.

Haha Finger puppets and 'deep-pocketed entity'. How can you claim to not be paranoid when making claims like this makes you sound exactly like your typical paranoid conspiracy nutter... or maybe you're just a troll and I'm being trolled here? Maybe your account has been sold/bought and is being used for the purposes you describe, so maybe I am wrong. The only person who is talking nonsense here is you and you're not trying to have a serious discussion at all but the opposite. You're making stuff up and acting like a child and sticking your fingers in your ears and going la la la and refusing to listen to any facts or alternative viewpoints at all.

While that is a lovely strawman you've built. I'll stick to reality, and rather than "a Hero member who does nothing but troll and post fud" think in the vein of "a few hundred accounts ranging from full member to hero who post a large number of new topics and replies including false news, reasonable-sounding FUD and exaggerations of bad news, as well as personal attacks and accusations of paranoia against anyone who tries to expose or even discuss what they are doing in the forums"  Grin

Shocked As opposed to your argument which is based on absolutely nothing but your own minsinformed opinion? Pretty much all the fud or attacks or trolling I see here is from brand new or newb accounts so I don't understand your logic here at all. Who is this organisation that is buying a few hundred accounts at 0.2 or more a piece? The Illuminati? Calling you paranoid isn't an insult because it's exactly what you are being when you make ridiculous claims like "funny how this thread is being attacked". Attacked? You've been 'attacked' because someone was offering an alternative answer; one that you didn't like because it doesn't fit your agenda? That was a completely laughable accusation made in such an alarming conspiratorial fashion which conspiracy nutters often do to try and divert attention and play the victim and to make out as if the responses they have gotten are complete proof that they're right and are on to some conspiracy that they've just exposed.



There's a news coverage of this thread in cryptocoinsnews:

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcointalk-accounts-are-being-bought-and-sold/

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September 23, 2014, 09:57:27 AM
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Came to this thread from that news article. This place is fu€ked for allowing accounts to be sold in the first place.

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September 23, 2014, 11:18:40 AM
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Came to this thread from that news article. This place is fu€ked for allowing accounts to be sold in the first place.

I would agree, but it's not like they encourage or support accounts trading. They simply don't forbid it, and what's not forbidden is allowed. Also, there's not much anyone can do to prevent it, they could suspend such accounts, but they would need to be 100% sure that those have been bought/sold.

On the other hand, when you reach hero or legendary rank, it's nice to know that your account is worth 'something'.

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September 23, 2014, 12:31:56 PM
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There's a news coverage of this thread in cryptocoinsnews:

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcointalk-accounts-are-being-bought-and-sold/

Haha. Must be a slow week in Bitcoinland. Glad they didn't go with the paranoid and alarmist headline SHOCK HORROR: BITCOINTALK ACCOUNTS BEING BOUGHT FOR MASS PROPAGANDA.

Came to this thread from that news article. This place is fu€ked for allowing accounts to be sold in the first place.

I would agree, but it's not like they encourage or support accounts trading. They simply don't forbid it, and what's not forbidden is allowed. Also, there's not much anyone can do to prevent it, they could suspend such accounts, but they would need to be 100% sure that those have been bought/sold.

On the other hand, when you reach hero or legendary rank, it's nice to know that your account is worth 'something'.

Exactly. It's not like this forum permits scams either but we let the community police itself on such matters. We can't be expected to babysit users or eradicate scams but whatever we did or didn't do one thing I know is people will always complain either way. I'd also just like to state that I was actually against the selling of accounts initially and was surprised to see it was even allowed here (as well as mods not doing anything about successful or attempted and blatantly obvious scam attempts) but I soon saw the logic in why they don't act on them. Hopefully in time others will as well, though I don't think there's any right or wrong way to handle this situation and is just down to personal opinion.

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September 23, 2014, 03:03:51 PM
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I was unaware until very recently (last 24hrs) that the site allowed (if not supported) purchasing accounts.  I guess with anything else, buyer beware for what you're getting yourself in to.

That said, I find it surprising that so many unscrupulous people would exist on this site - just goes to show you there is no end to scammers pushing the fraud, fud, and anything else on you.

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September 23, 2014, 04:44:47 PM
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I guess with anything else, buyer beware for what you're getting yourself in to.

Yup, exactly.
The account could be hacked and the hacker decide to sell the account.
The account seller could have malicious intent and claim the account hacked after selling it while it isn't.
The account may be very close to getting banned for breaking rules.

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September 24, 2014, 12:46:54 AM
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I was unaware until very recently (last 24hrs) that the site allowed (if not supported) purchasing accounts.  I guess with anything else, buyer beware for what you're getting yourself in to.

That said, I find it surprising that so many unscrupulous people would exist on this site - just goes to show you there is no end to scammers pushing the fraud, fud, and anything else on you.

At least we have a trust system, as well as other means of verifying someone's reputation (ie #bitcoin-otc, localbitcoins reputation).

It's not perfect, but it does work most of the time.
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i like freedom here and it should stay like it is

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Came to this thread from that news article. This place is fu€ked for allowing accounts to be sold in the first place.

And how exactly you prohibit people from doing so? You can't do nothing about it. If you ban account trading here people just move somewhere else to post account trading information.


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September 24, 2014, 09:21:55 AM
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Wow, lotta mass propaganda supporters in here.

The truth is, there's no good argument as to why this should be allowed. Just a bunch of greedy ones.

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September 24, 2014, 09:29:04 AM
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Wow, lotta paranoid conspiracy nutters in here.

The truth is, there's no good argument as to why this shouldn't be allowed. Just a bunch of stupid ones.

Fixed. I've still yet to see any proof of accounts being sold to be used for 'mass propganda'.

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Fixed. I've still yet to see any proof of accounts being sold to be used for 'mass propganda'.

Who cares what the person is gonna do with the account? Whatever it is, it is BULLSHIT because they are pretending to be a different person. This makes them a liar, an impostor, a bullshitter.

And here you are a staff member defending this behavior.

You guys are greedy beyond belief. What would Satoshi say if he read about this? I can't help but think he would say you destroyed the original intention of his forum and turned it into a breeding ground for scum and villainy.

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September 25, 2014, 06:25:53 AM
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How are we 'greedy beyond belief'? How do we benefit or profit from it exactly? I don't think you're capable of looking at this from any other perspective and are blinded by your own bias here. It's been stated multiple times why it's allowed. And I think if you read satoshi's writings you will see he was smart enough to know it was inevitable that criminals would take advantage of bitcoin. Maybe you should join or start a forum that policies and censors anything you don't like with an iron fist if you're so against the way this one is run and if you think you know what's best.

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September 25, 2014, 07:32:16 AM
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How are we 'greedy beyond belief'? How do we benefit or profit from it exactly? I don't think you're capable of looking at this from any other perspective and are blinded by your own bias here. It's been stated multiple times why it's allowed. And I think if you read satoshi's writings you will see he was smart enough to know it was inevitable that criminals would take advantage of bitcoin. Maybe you should join or start a forum that policies and censors anything you don't like with an iron fist if you're so against the way this one is run and if you think you know what's best.

Okay, I do apologize for my tone and ignorance to previous information posted on the subject. I just am curious as to what is a case scenario where a bought account could be used for good?

Somebody invented a charitycoin and they want to lively up the campaign? Even still, this is a form of impersonation. Just because its not a crime doesn't mean its not dishonest.

And just because Satoshi was smart enough to see that bitcoin would bring criminals doesn't mean the forum shouldn't try to dissuade them. As a matter of fact, I am certain they do take certain measures to accomplish this, only perhaps not when it comes to this area.

Can you please humor me and tell me why buying and selling accounts is allowed? The reasoning wasn't stated in this thread, other than because they can't stop it. Thank you.

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September 25, 2014, 09:00:15 AM
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Whether traded accounts are used for good or bad is down to your own personal opinion of what 'good' and 'bad' is. The overwhelming percentage of accounts sold are done so almost exclusively for signature campaigns and not used for nefarious purposes. Do you think that is a bad thing? I don't. Merely buying an account does not equals impersonation. Most are likely just honest or at least neutral people trying to make a bit of coin the easiest way they can. It may not be a crime but it may also not be dishonest either. Frowned upon, maybe, but not necessarily dishonest unless the person in control of the account does dishonest things with it. Can purchased/sold accounts be used deceptively and to scam? Of course, but so can accounts you can freely create yourself. Most people are not going to waste money trying to buy an account when they're likely to fail or get busted before you can successfully scam and then that account is ruined and worthless. 

I think the main rationale and reasoning for allowing accounts to be sold is because allowing them lets others know that the practice can and does go on and banning them may give people a false sense of security, not to mention banning their sale will not stop the behaviour from happening and only push it further underground and into obscurity. 

This forum also doesn't moderate or ban scammers, but that doesn't mean we allow or encourage them nor do we profit from it in any way from it.


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I think the main rationale and reasoning for allowing accounts to be sold is because allowing them lets others know that the practice can and does go on and banning them may give people a false sense of security, not to mention banning their sale will not stop the behaviour from happening and only push it further underground and into obscurity.

This forum also doesn't moderate or ban scammers, but that doesn't mean we allow or encourage them nor do we profit from it in any way from it.


Still, you are impersonating somebody unless you disclaim that you bought their account, which never happens. So buying accounts is a 100% dishonest manuver. Its never been used for an honest purpose because pretending to be somebody you are not is lying.

I dunno, while I appreciate your explanation, it still just seems that you are sticking up for criminals at the end of the day. I really don't understand how you guys can live with yourselves knowing how many crimes are committed here on a daily basis. I certainly hope you don't actually believe you are contributing to some benevolent force in the world because you are not.

You're just telling thieves and scammers its OK to be a thief and scammer here. In the end it will decrease your revenue, not mine.

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