VIDEO: OpenBazaar Beta 1.0

[e1ghtSpace]

OpenBazaar and it’s dependencies are around 5 GB, so we recommend 7 GBs or more

Can anyone expand on this? Because that seems... crazy. Like, wtf.

(Maybe they are including the Linux OS in that calculation?)

Also, is there a reason their install tutorial uses a VPS? Is always-on a requirement?

No, you are reading the wrong tutorial, a VPS with 7GB or more HD space is for nodes and not clients.
For linux and OSX only right now. Here is what you want :
https://blog.openbazaar.org/openbazaar-beta-1-0-tutorial/
Not for amateurs but people with some computer knowledge at this stage.

Weird, I typed exactly the same commands into terminal and it couldn't get OpenBazaar to run.
Maybe it's because I didn't put it into the home directory.

[knight22]

Please let me know when we can safely and securely buy weed on there. I could use some.

SilkRoad does that pretty well actually.

From what I have heard there are actually a lot of scams on SR2 (and were on SR1 after the march 2013 bubble). I would assume there be a lot of scams on this "marketplace" as well

As much as on Ebay. Open Bazaar will attempt to use cryptographic tools to lower the risks but no marketplace can claim to be scammer free, even physical ones.

Correct ebay scams can work in various ways and also as a seller you have ebay itself scamming you by putting everything on the seller if a buyer is unhappy for whatever reason.   I'd think twice before selling a high priced item on ebay these days.

Ebay has a set of policies that both the buyer and the seller know in advance of entering into a transaction. They both should know how something will turn out based on the facts of a specific case and the documentation each of them has compiled.

With openBazer, every escrow will be somewhat different. If you were to present one set of facts to three people who act as escrow you would probably get three different results. None of them would likely be able to justify their results with a written policy or procedure that both the buyer and seller was aware of prior to using his services. This essentially makes it easy to try to scam as someone could simply make a bunch of shell accounts, use an escrow that they know will act in their favor and carry out the scam many times.

Unless it requires both party to agree on an escrow and/or add randomization to the escrow selection process. It should be enough to make it impossible for someone to scam that way with a systemic approach.

[ab8989]

Unless it requires both party to agree on an escrow and/or add randomization to the escrow selection process. It should be enough to make it impossible for someone to scam that way with a systemic approach.

What prevents a scammer just refusing to do business if a buyer turns out to be too picky about escrow or the randomization produces wrong kind of escrow?

I mean scammers traditionally like to pick who they want to scam and if a buyer does not seem gullible enough the scammer normal mode of operating suggests dropping that deal and try to find somebody else better suited to be scammed.

To me this possibility of buyer having the option of getting difficult and not agreeing the escrow the seller is suggesting works only in that particular instance but it does nothing in large scale to prevent the scammers enjoying the place. There are enough buyers who agree to someone from the group of seller-friendly escrows the seller is suggesting and even if it is random, 50% success rate in escrow selection is plenty enough for scammers.

"I have a deal of a lifetime specially to you, my friend, and I happen to know a superior escrow to boot and this escrow gives you an additional 10% discount to the price, my dear friend. And that is not all, if you act fast I give you this magnificient roll of toiletpaper totally free of charge. So what are you waiting for, my friend? I have only one item left in stock and these things are flying off the shelves so you need to act fast if you want it."

[knight22]

Unless it requires both party to agree on an escrow and/or add randomization to the escrow selection process. It should be enough to make it impossible for someone to scam that way with a systemic approach.

What prevents a scammer just refusing to do business if a buyer turns out to be too picky about escrow or the randomization produces wrong kind of escrow?

I mean scammers traditionally like to pick who they want to scam and if a buyer does not seem gullible enough the scammer normal mode of operating suggests dropping that deal and try to find somebody else better suited to be scammed.

To me this possibility of buyer having the option of getting difficult and not agreeing the escrow the seller is suggesting works only in that particular instance but it does nothing in large scale to prevent the scammers enjoying the place. There are enough buyers who agree to someone from the group of seller-friendly escrows the seller is suggesting and even if it is random, 50% success rate in escrow selection is plenty enough for scammers.

"I have a deal of a lifetime specially to you, my friend, and I happen to know a superior escrow to boot and this escrow gives you an additional 10% discount to the price, my dear friend. And that is not all, if you act fast I give you this magnificient roll of toiletpaper totally free of charge. So what are you waiting for, my friend? I have only one item left in stock and these things are flying off the shelves so you need to act fast if you want it."

Sure but would you really do business with a sellers that have tons of dispute history or no history at all? That's where the reputation system comes to play. Again, marketplaces aren't scammer proof so as always: caveat emptor. We can only lower the risks by implementing appropriate tools.

[adamstgBit]

waiting for this to come out of beta, i will set up shop when its usable.

[cbeast]

Someone had a walkthru to set this up on a VPS.

[adamstgBit]

Someone had a walkthru to set this up on a VPS.

all i can be bothered to do it run some install file and click buttons.

[tss]

WOW.. and great work!  congrats on the launch.

[kingscrown]

cant wait for OB to get live. shits decent

[xDan]

No, you are reading the wrong tutorial, a VPS with 7GB or more HD space is for nodes and not clients.

For linux and OSX only right now. Here is what you want :

https://blog.openbazaar.org/openbazaar-beta-1-0-tutorial/

As far as I can work out, nodes and clients are one and the same.

Is there any high level overview of the architecture?

[Hunyadi]

Looks good! OpenBazaar is going to be awesome! Good job!

[jabo38]

I am really excited about this project and feel like this is what the world needs!  Basically a decentralized Ebay. 

And while as much as I loath how much a pain Ebay/Paypal can be, they do offer pretty good buyer protection and at times seller protection too. 

The main concern I have for OpenBazaar is how it is going to really offer a high level of buyer and seller protection.  I know I have heard talk of multisig and what not, I am just skeptical until I see it in action working. 

Is there a good plan to convince the doubters like myself?

[WhatTheGox]

Want to see this on windows unfortunately im not on linux yet

[zorke]

Please let me know when we can safely and securely buy weed on there. I could use some.

SilkRoad does that pretty well actually.

From what I have heard there are actually a lot of scams on SR2 (and were on SR1 after the march 2013 bubble). I would assume there be a lot of scams on this "marketplace" as well

As much as on Ebay. Open Bazaar will attempt to use cryptographic tools to lower the risks but no marketplace can claim to be scammer free, even physical ones.

Correct ebay scams can work in various ways and also as a seller you have ebay itself scamming you by putting everything on the seller if a buyer is unhappy for whatever reason.   I'd think twice before selling a high priced item on ebay these days.

Ebay has a set of policies that both the buyer and the seller know in advance of entering into a transaction. They both should know how something will turn out based on the facts of a specific case and the documentation each of them has compiled.

With openBazer, every escrow will be somewhat different. If you were to present one set of facts to three people who act as escrow you would probably get three different results. None of them would likely be able to justify their results with a written policy or procedure that both the buyer and seller was aware of prior to using his services. This essentially makes it easy to try to scam as someone could simply make a bunch of shell accounts, use an escrow that they know will act in their favor and carry out the scam many times.

Unless it requires both party to agree on an escrow and/or add randomization to the escrow selection process. It should be enough to make it impossible for someone to scam that way with a systemic approach.

The scammer could recommend the escrow they know will rule in their favor, and unless the other party has a reason to think the escrow is less then legit they likely would not decline the transaction. If escrow selection is randomized then users would have great difficulty not using a scamming escrow that will eventually make it into the rotation

[adamstgBit]

Want to see this on windows unfortunately im not on linux yet

ya, this the problem...

everyone is screaming for a free market place, but no one (ok maybe a few poeple )is going to go setup a linux and manually configure the damn thing

REALLY hoping they plan to make it easy to get in on this  OpenBazaar and soon!

my wife wants to use this FFS make it happen!

[knight22]

Please let me know when we can safely and securely buy weed on there. I could use some.

SilkRoad does that pretty well actually.

From what I have heard there are actually a lot of scams on SR2 (and were on SR1 after the march 2013 bubble). I would assume there be a lot of scams on this "marketplace" as well

As much as on Ebay. Open Bazaar will attempt to use cryptographic tools to lower the risks but no marketplace can claim to be scammer free, even physical ones.

Correct ebay scams can work in various ways and also as a seller you have ebay itself scamming you by putting everything on the seller if a buyer is unhappy for whatever reason.   I'd think twice before selling a high priced item on ebay these days.

Ebay has a set of policies that both the buyer and the seller know in advance of entering into a transaction. They both should know how something will turn out based on the facts of a specific case and the documentation each of them has compiled.

With openBazer, every escrow will be somewhat different. If you were to present one set of facts to three people who act as escrow you would probably get three different results. None of them would likely be able to justify their results with a written policy or procedure that both the buyer and seller was aware of prior to using his services. This essentially makes it easy to try to scam as someone could simply make a bunch of shell accounts, use an escrow that they know will act in their favor and carry out the scam many times.

Unless it requires both party to agree on an escrow and/or add randomization to the escrow selection process. It should be enough to make it impossible for someone to scam that way with a systemic approach.

The scammer could recommend the escrow they know will rule in their favor, and unless the other party has a reason to think the escrow is less then legit they likely would not decline the transaction. If escrow selection is randomized then users would have great difficulty not using a scamming escrow that will eventually make it into the rotation

It is possible but it will be a very inefficient way of scamming. Don’t forget that escrows will also have a reputation system. Would you deal with someone having a bad reputation that is proposing you an escrow that also have a bad reputation or no reputation at all?

[Kprawn]

Did I see that it's not available for Windows?

This is the type of Market place, I was looking for. Hope there will be some good escrow services. So sick of scams. 

[BitCoinNutJob]

More videos of inside would be nice please if anyone gets a chance

[knight22]

More videos of inside would be nice please if anyone gets a chance

Review of OpenBazaar by Bitcoinist net


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj-jkV2KnvI&feature=youtube_gdata

[snappa4ever]

Please let me know when we can safely and securely buy weed on there. I could use some.

SilkRoad does that pretty well actually.

From what I have heard there are actually a lot of scams on SR2 (and were on SR1 after the march 2013 bubble). I would assume there be a lot of scams on this "marketplace" as well

As much as on Ebay. Open Bazaar will attempt to use cryptographic tools to lower the risks but no marketplace can claim to be scammer free, even physical ones.

Correct ebay scams can work in various ways and also as a seller you have ebay itself scamming you by putting everything on the seller if a buyer is unhappy for whatever reason.   I'd think twice before selling a high priced item on ebay these days.

Ebay has a set of policies that both the buyer and the seller know in advance of entering into a transaction. They both should know how something will turn out based on the facts of a specific case and the documentation each of them has compiled.

With openBazer, every escrow will be somewhat different. If you were to present one set of facts to three people who act as escrow you would probably get three different results. None of them would likely be able to justify their results with a written policy or procedure that both the buyer and seller was aware of prior to using his services. This essentially makes it easy to try to scam as someone could simply make a bunch of shell accounts, use an escrow that they know will act in their favor and carry out the scam many times.

Unless it requires both party to agree on an escrow and/or add randomization to the escrow selection process. It should be enough to make it impossible for someone to scam that way with a systemic approach.

The scammer could recommend the escrow they know will rule in their favor, and unless the other party has a reason to think the escrow is less then legit they likely would not decline the transaction. If escrow selection is randomized then users would have great difficulty not using a scamming escrow that will eventually make it into the rotation

It is possible but it will be a very inefficient way of scamming. Don’t forget that escrows will also have a reputation system. Would you deal with someone having a bad reputation that is proposing you an escrow that also have a bad reputation or no reputation at all?

It would be possible that escrow may not be outright scamming but just ruling in favor of the scammer given a certain set of facts (if for example there was not clear evidence either way, and does not truly know who is telling the truth)